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by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Swinson seems very nice and not bigotted for a Jock But stating that if you win a parliamentary majority at a GE then you believe that is a mandate for revoking Article 50 when that majority could be gained with 30 odd percent of the vote and less than 10 million people is either ill thought throug...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Yes, but what is credible about a deal negotiated by the Labour party which they then say they will vote against? I've seen EU officials reported as saying "how does that work....????" Do you have a link in which EU officials were directly quoted? All I’ve seen is “EU sources” which could...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Anyone that alters the 'decision' of a referendum without another would be anti democratic imo. Don't you agree? No I don’t agree. If a party is elected on a mandate of doing so then their mandate is a more up to date expression of democracy. If the LibDems won a majority,then I don’t think anyone ...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Hi Andrew, aren't some of the new LibDems ex-Labour MPs? I guess Jo Swinson is going for the big gamble: add some remain MPs from both Labour and Conservatives and major on the "revoke A50" being very attractive to all the remain voters. Maybe the additional MPs will give LibDems broader ...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The point is she has more chance stopping brexit if she says she will support remain in a second referendum than by wanting to overule the existing one. That's good news for Boris and sort of for Corbyn. If Remain had won the referendum, would Farage then be undemocratic for running on a platform o...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:48 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I totally agree the centre ground has been vacated by both main parties,however the Lib Dems aren't going to form a majority,even in the present climate,so like it or lump it they'll have to go into coalition with one of the aforementioned parties,or if not coalition some type of agreement.issue by...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

As far as i'm aware, there is no such thing as a "safe" Lib Dem seat. Whether people like it or not, there is a huge void in the centre at the moment and neither Lab or Conservatives are remotely interested in filling it. I fear for the LibDems that those they’ve accepted into their fold ...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: MOTD
Replies: 21
Views: 1727

Re: MOTD

What’s wrong with a female commentator?
by AndrewJB
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: North Stand Chat
Replies: 27
Views: 2506

Re: North Stand Chat

WazzaClaret wrote:Mrs Wazza is going to tell me to get a life tonight when she sees what im doing. I'm just going to look at her with the most smug of smug faces :geek:

Can’t you switch to a pre loaded porn site if she comes in the room, so she can’t see what you’re actually doing?
by AndrewJB
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

In 2016 when Cameron negotiated with Brussels the other EU countries formerly recognised that Britain didn’t wish for “an ever closer union” Having said that it would be in our interest to harmonise some taxes (corporate for one) in order to better deal with companies declaring their profits in low ...
by AndrewJB
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

What does Boris do next? Is he likely to win or lose? https://capx.co/what-is-boris-johnsons-next-move/ Bercow reckons there are three likely outcomes: a new withdrawal agreement supported by parliament, a no-deal Brexit backed by a Commons majority, or a request by the government to Brussels for a...
by AndrewJB
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Straight imports/exports won't be affected, but the UK's own oil, and oil refined in the UK will be at a competitive advantage because domestic wages and overheads are (I assume) paid in Sterling. Obviously this advantage is offset to a greater or lesser degree by the tariffs. But the point is that...
by AndrewJB
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Not that we didn't all know already that brexit was all about disaster capitalists but it seems the extent to which the rich, establishment types are playing the working class is finally being revealed. https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out...
by AndrewJB
Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Thanks for answering. You probably know it was kind of a rhetorical question, as I knew you would not know the answer. What you posted is misinformation at best though. Not that I am calling you a liar - as is the fashion on here - I'm sure you would have taken an article at face value. It just ann...
by AndrewJB
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Who are parliament accountable to? obviously not the public as at every step they do what they want, as seen from the astonishing scenes in parliament. And talks of Boris using tactics for Brexit, well what the hell has the last 6 months been about where at every turn, the party's that all want rem...
by AndrewJB
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Yeah ok if you believe that then you must also believe in the tooth fairy. Labour are now ( publicly ) voicing their view that they want a referendum and will campaign for remain against any such deal which may or may not be agreed. This has clearly always been the case, Corbyn has been trying to h...
by AndrewJB
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

So it was just a laugh was it? bit of bants bit of larking about ? To even imagine the reaction if remain won and Leave refused to honour it is a thought to behold Leave won, and they've failed to take us out of the EU in the last three years (three years!). Bear in mind the party in power was comm...
by AndrewJB
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

We all know what you’re trying to say Wrongo, the trouble is you don’t know the words to use to say it. The Leave vote was (in number of votes cast) the largest mandate for something in U.K. history, although in percentage terms the 1970s referendum remain vote beats it by a distance. But you insis...
by AndrewJB
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

2nd request Andrew, as you might have missed my first at the bottom of previous page. Any chance you could tell us how much this donor (Odey I think) has also bet on UK firms succeeding with a no deal Brexit or on European firms failing? An answer would be appreciated - thanks. My initial answer wo...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Let's see how johnson gets on eh!? And let's see if millions of voters give a toss about his donors business decisions when they come to vote. (They may well consider it to be a vote loser!) 33,500,000 you reckon!? And which single party, in a general election, or single option in a referendum, rec...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

:lol: :lol: You're like a dog with a bone aggi!! Let it go! For your own well being! You're the one saying the Leave vote isn't the largest single expression of democracy this nation has ever witnessed. If it isn't, what is? I would have thought total number of voters would have been counted in a &...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

:lol: :lol: :lol: From someone , a remoaner, who has never accepted the largest single expression of democracy this nation has ever witnessed! :lol: :lol: :lol: If carlsberg did hypocrisy and irony ! Every general election between 1945 and 1992 brought out the same or greater proportion of voters, ...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

At the end last nights, two fingers to the People, John Bercow love-in. The stomach churning images of MPs queuing up to shake hands with the convention scrapping, procedural rulebook burning Bercow will have been seen by Democrats all over the country with disbelief. John McDonald got , not only a...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:39 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bori ... -0lwjbnqsn

Johnson isn’t interested in ordinary British people. What we all lose in a no deal exit is a sacrifice worth making for him.
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Hm. I don't really want to be seen as the sanctimonious one demanding calm and reasonableness, and don't get me wrong - watching the implosion of Tory party has its merit. But I'm not sure about any of this anymore - from either side. Demanding all private communications of MPs (have I understood t...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

How does he get Nigel Farage on-side in that situation, or even members of his own party, such as the likes of Redwood JRM, Bill Cash etc.? The post is a triumph of hope over reality. Start off with the things you want to happen, and then draw lines from present reality back to this. The cake is ev...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Step back? I think the cliff edge has been transgressed and is disappearing rapidly as parliamentary procedures, rules, ethics and courtesies sumersault into a black hole. New (low) precedents have been set and the genie is well and truely out of the bottle when it comes to future precedents. Reall...
by AndrewJB
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

If there's any truth to any of this (my inkling is not, but I don't know), isn't all this going a bit far? The whole House seems to have gone into a sort of vicious, humiliating, frenzied mode. Bills are being prepared with the nastiest of intent, then voted on. A lot of precedents are being set he...
by AndrewJB
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Lancasterclaret wrote:He needs a deal.

If he gets a deal, and parliament rejects it, then he's got a huge stick in a GE.

Will the ERG support him?
by AndrewJB
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:Successful! Should be interesting, although I expect the government to ignore it.

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... ushed.html

Zelo Street thinks there might be more to this. :)
by AndrewJB
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

To be honest Boris doesn’t need time to show he can be idiotic, there are plenty of examples to chose from. That is different to being an idiot. As for labour... the working man, hard to do for career politicians... nationalisation of key services... impossible within Europe, especially a Europe th...
by AndrewJB
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit

The Guardian's take on how Johnson could avoid having to ask for an extension as mandated by law. They all look rather desperate though, so don't get your hopes up.
by AndrewJB
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Yes, same here despite so many posters wanting to paint me as extreme right. Just shows how very few actually know what Labour is meant to represent. (Edit) sadly, I don’t see many John Smith’s out there to get it back on track, when even Corbyn is running scared of them... makes you think. If you'...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You are entitled to your opinion... the letterbox thing remains front and centre being mention in parliament and tv only this week... I did not think I need mention it. I used Corbyn as an example that the Left are not blameless, either. But I make no apologies for stating that the surest way to fi...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

As you are aware, or I’m wasting my time with further explanation; racism increases with economic slowdown. The world is in all likelihood heading into recession. The infrastructure spending announcements are a proven way of stabilising an economy during difficult times... less racism The governmen...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

A remain prime minister If not then we’d have left on the 29th March The term no deal wouldn’t exist cos we’d have left with some things agreed and others still to solve We’d also all mostly still believe that we were a democracy If it was because May wasn’t a committed leaver, that’s still the fau...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Ha, we wouldn't be at this stage if they were doing/had done their job. We are where we are because nobody, despite three years of effort, has been able to make the many claims and promises made by leave become a reality. And none of this is the fault of Parliament. The government were in charge of...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:51 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

RingoMcCartney wrote:According to today's delta poll 8 out of 10 people agree with me.

Is that the poll that asked: “Do yo agree with Ringo from Up the Clarets?”
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

MPs have now hijacked parliament and prevented boris from having a clean break brexit. And they're also blocking we , The People, from having a say! I'm listening to LBC right now. There's a labour Leave voter on and she's saying it's disgusting what's happening. "They just cant accept the ref...
by AndrewJB
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That's not quite true. The 'government' presented a WA 3 times and on each occasion it was voted down by Parliament. So I blame Parliament. My guess is that the presented WA was voted down because it was not to the oppositions "liking" and each opposition party had their own view of what ...
by AndrewJB
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm sort of arguing from the standpoint of how could a person who will never support this path negotiate a good deal? because I think it is true. But it's more complex than that. Let's imagine Labour's negotiating team are so skilled and robotic they can genuinely put their own beliefs aside. The E...
by AndrewJB
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Reference BJ going to jail I think MPs knowingly standing in elections on policies and promises that they knew at the time of the election they did not support and would not honour is more a cause for prosecution. The law is supporting Parliament but Parliament is full of MPs who are there on fraud...
by AndrewJB
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I agree. I could write an essay on the potential pitfalls of a second referendum, but one overwhelming problem is what what the options should be. For any referendum to have any meaning at all, it would have to include 'Remain' and 'No-deal'. That is surely a given considering, according to opinion...
by AndrewJB
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Apart from General elections and local elections the only time her constituents have been able to giver her a direct order was through the Referendum which I believe was an overwhelming 67% majority. Whether you voted leave or remain or vote for Conservative or Labour, the fact that she has gone ag...
by AndrewJB
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Remain or leave to one side, our MP is not and has never delivered what her constituents want or what she promises. The fact that those who voted leave in a democratic vote won surely she should be delivering the same message back to parliament on her constituents behalf rather than voting against ...
by AndrewJB
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Slavery
Replies: 27
Views: 1120

Re: Slavery

Are those legitimate recruitment agencies a bit like those alleged legitimate college's/universities/language schools that are actually just one room above a shop but allow people to apply for student visas and then disappear? Visa mills. I worked in one of these when I moved back to the U.K. years...
by AndrewJB
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You are making the same mistake/misunderstanding that many Labour MPs (including Julie Cooper) have made. The Withdrawal Agreement must first be passed before we move on to decide whether to stay in a customs union or not. A withdrawal agreement can include us staying in the customs union. The only...
by AndrewJB
Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:44 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

We seem to have a lot of very well informed political experts on here, so how do we actually complain that out MP is going against what we voted for? I don't mean a polite email or letter, but surely their is a law that says if you democratically vote for something to happen through your MP, then t...
by AndrewJB
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Some of the 'glass half full' material on here about Johnson really illustrates how far people can stretch to catch a feel of positivity. In some ways it's Johnson's own positive vibes rubbing off. He was the only one of the leadership candidates to say - absolutely - that we will leave on 31st Octo...
by AndrewJB
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13953
Views: 256059

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Devils_Advocate wrote:And what do you think your family will make of Venezuela next summer!!

And the half term skiing holiday to N Korea.

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