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by Spiral
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Blackburn rovers..
Replies: 19
Views: 653

Re: Blackburn rovers..

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:40 pm
Image

'The Gang Gets Relegated'

*It's Always Sunny theme plays*
by Spiral
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

I know Thatcher in particular gets a bad press but those were different circumstances not to do with austerity. Austerity from 2010 was all about Cameron’s choice. I suspect Johnson is very different. Expect money to be piled in way beyond what the manifesto says (but not to silly levels obviously)...
by Spiral
Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Next labour leader?
Replies: 106
Views: 3260

Re: Next labour leader?

It's strange how a bloke working as a prostitute in France cares so much about random and inconsequential aspersions cast on illiterate cloth cap Tories in a backward little corner of England, but here we are, sensitivities assaulted, voice raised, indignation registered on a petty frequency.
by Spiral
Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Next labour leader?
Replies: 106
Views: 3260

Re: Next labour leader?

As I've said on the other thread, Lisa Nandy if she's willing to run. Labour is screwed if it elects Long-Bailey. Granted RLB seems a nice person and is comparatively baggage-free (who isn't), commercially she's Jeremy Corbyn minus the rabble rousing. Superficially (because that's what truly counts)...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Says the guy who swallowed it hook line and sinker! I think you and I align on a lot, politically, Andrew, and while I've expressed on here (this very thread earlier in the election) some misgivings I have with Coybyn - though certainly not enough to be disqualifying - I like the policies and think...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Opinium research carried out today, reasons people did not vote labour:

Leadership 43%
Brexit 17%
Economic policies 12%

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/12 ... 3466502144
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

It's like Quentin Tarantino wrote this election.
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

BennyD wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:29 am
Perfect? You must be a remainer because that would be pretty sh!t foe everyone.
For Johnson. It's all politics for him. He'll be able to sell it, I promise you.
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

*might be tempted, not will be tempted, to clarify my last post. But they're unsure what Johnson will turn up. I think he'll take the most reconciliatory path possible out of self preservation. He's won big, including among folk who don't care for the details. He doesn't need to play to the fringes ...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

I suspect this hefty majority will lead to an unsatisfying Brexit for many of those who think that Brexit will see a big split from the EU and a huge cut in immigration. The ERG will be sidelined, the Brexit party is gone, Johnson will favour a gentle hit to the economy, even if it involves sucking...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

when I saw your post that said " You'll find I've had some quite pleasant conversations with leavers and Tories over the course of this thread" you sounded so condescending and aloof I saw through you. You saw through me to see condescension and aloofness when I said I get can along with folk? That...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:39 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

You should have made it much clearer that you were talking about a specific person in Blyth Valley who had said these dreadful things to you. Then I'd have been inclined to agree with you. But how were we to know that you'd been canvassing in Blyth Valley? You should have told us much sooner. But g...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

No but perhaps you could look at it another way and change the way you think about other people? I do my level best not to assume that those who disagree with my politically are somehow "stupid". They don't share my views, that's all. Give it a try, I recommend it. I'll do you one better, I refuse ...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Rowls wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:55 am
Very well.

In that case I'm poking fun at you for being sanctimonious and patronizing.
If that's how you feel so be it. Bugger all I can do about how you feel about me.
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

I'm not pretending you're being smug. Chances are you're feeling the very opposite. No, I'm poking fun at the fact that you haven't realized that calling the electorate thick isn't a great idea. I'm not running for election. I'll make judgement wherever I please, thanks. And while I wouldn't expect...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:47 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Exactly. And they've been telling them how stupid they are for years now. And they STILL won't vote the way they're told to. Stupid voters, eh? Basically, yes. It's hardly wise to complain about poverty before rewarding with ones vote a party under whose premiership poverty has demonstrably increas...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

nyclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:21 am
Due to austerity, Blyth Valley has 14,847 (24.18%) children living in poverty.

26.7% of households are classed as fuel poor.

The unemployment rate is 31%.

And they just voted for Conservative...
Nobody said these people were smart.
by Spiral
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

I've always thought the "why won't you respect democracy" argument a bit pi$$y and childish. It's not about respect, that's just plain naïve, and you can't just expect people to stop fighting for what they believe because they lost a vote. The whole point in democracy is that it's robust enough to o...
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

So both Newcastle upon Tyne Central and Haughton and Sunderland South had the LAB vote chewed into by BXP, CON not gaining too much.
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

It'd be nice if everyone could be nice.
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:48 pm
I've been saying it ever since the referendum


DEMOCRACY- IT MEANS SOMETIMES YOU LOSE
Sometimes? Not for me. For as long as I've been eligible to vote I've never won a sodding thing!
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

dermotdermot wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:45 pm
Yes, entirely Corbyn’s fault. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I hope he rots in hell.
"Perhaps we should help the poor"

"Rot in hell"

Jesus Christ, reel it in a bit.
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Let’s hope for a clear Conservative majority then we can get Brexit delivered and stop all the uncertainty. Mate, I think that's quite clearly in the bag. You can relax on that front! One valid point being made is that a majority of such a scale gives Johnson enough power to hold off the ERG meanin...
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

The good news is Johnson now has the freedom to stop acting like as much of a knob. He doesn't need to posture quite so much. It'll be like the Cameron years but with a touch less austerity and a terribly boring next few years talking about trade.
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Back to the thread, now the campaigns are over a clear image has emerged of the strategies over the last week. Labour on the offensive targeting leave voting marginals held by Conservatives, Conservatives defending what they already have. I do wonder if Labour internal polling has informed this stra...
by Spiral
Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

No doubt , the usual gaggle of lefties will be along claiming that the photo is misleading. Diane has not got the wrong shoe on. Tory imposed austerity has caused her to choose the wrong foot..... This is the problem with viewing entire swathes of people as monolith and reducing them to caricature:...
by Spiral
Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Jesus Christ, just looked at the 2017 result for Keighley, the difference between Lab and Con is 249 votes!!! Two hundred and forty nine. The entire votes combined of LD and Green in Keighley 2017 was just over 2000 (two thousand). No option but to pile in on Labour if you're in Keighley and don't w...
by Spiral
Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Pendle is a 2-way between Lab and Con. Hyndburn is the same, as is Keighley, both are so, so tight. Just 2% between Lab and Con in Keighley and in Hyndburn. LD votes are wasted in all three of those constituencies, Labour is the only contender to beat the Tory candidate in each.
by Spiral
Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

If you can tear yourselves away from tearing each other apart for two minutes, I have a serious question. Is it really only Labour and the Lib Dem’s that can win in Burnley? Genuine reason for the question. While generally a strong Labour seat (as you'll know), the second place in Burnley is histor...
by Spiral
Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?!!!
by Spiral
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

YouGov's MRP model has been updated tonight with interviews conducted over the last 7 days. Interviews on Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun...then the floor photo happens...Mon and Tues (today). The lead has been cut to 9 points and in YouGov's words a hung parliament cannot be ruled out according to their...
by Spiral
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Back in the Thirties the Canadian government was asked to provide more money to alleviate destitution arising from the Great Depression, not with handouts but through capital works projects creating work. It responded that there wasn’t more money. As soon as WWII began, the government employed hund...
by Spiral
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:51 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Indeed, I agree. But was it true about this kid? No mileage for the Tories in coming out and denying it but I am led to believe there is more to this than meets the eye. I’ll leave that one there I think, I have no interest in posting accusations, just keep an open mind. There is some dodgy stuff g...
by Spiral
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Many Burnley voters still feel 'betrayed' that their democratic Brexit decision has been ignored by Julie Cooper/The Labour Party and that some sort of 'democratic justice' at the ballot box must be enacted to remind our MP's that WE cannot and must not be ignored. That's a quite triumphant way of ...
by Spiral
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Normalising petty, vengeful, autocratic tendencies as you've described isn't exactly a good look, Crosspool, but I suspect you're talking balls. I can't stand the bloke but you're seeing in him an insecure, fragile conception of 'strength' which doesn't bear resemblance to the evidence you're put fo...
by Spiral
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

The big data gift to Amazon is more likely for data mining. The deal that has been struck doesn't include patient data, anonymised or otherwise. It's what it probably best described as a portion of the NHS' intellectual property that has been gifted to Amazon. It appears to be exclusive, which is s...
by Spiral
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

To be fair, martin, both Amazon echo and the separate issue of patient data have been brought up. In ways the two things are somewhat related because they both fall under the umbrella of data harvesting.
by Spiral
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Should have qualified my last comment about press releases. As you say Paul Waine, "without prior written consent".
by Spiral
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

To ease pressures on the NHS using information that is already publically available through NHS Choices I suspect. I'd love to see that contract with my own eyes, but from what's being reported it appears to give more access than just the website data you and I can access. Do you not think it odd t...
by Spiral
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Hi iibyw, as I've posted a few times on here, I've experienced my health challenges (as many others have). I'd love the NHS to make use of my data - and anyone else who signs up - to use it to find cures for others who are around after me. Yes, maybe my descendants will benefit, maybe it will also ...
by Spiral
Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Possibly if whoever agrees to the idea & willingly goes ahead selling the information includes some sort of condition that a percentage goes towards the NHS. The important part I think you are missing crucially that this could further medical research & potentially serve to treat people more effect...
by Spiral
Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

I have no problem with my data being sold on a " name deleted " basis, to any drug company. It will raise money for the NHS, or my GP's practice, and help the company concerned with medical research .... R&D is always the pretext with pharmaceutical companies, but marketing is the reason data is ha...
by Spiral
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

I suppose the worry for me isn't so much the data access in and of itself, but the deal that has been struck in the context of the wider story. That is, there's compelling argument to be made about the growing trend in the marketisation of healthcare. Whatever the justification, it's somewhat gallin...
by Spiral
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

The idea of contracting to the private sector to alleviate stress on the NHS is reasonable enough in principle, though the efficiencies and quality of provision and service that comes about is for another debate, but this looks to be much more than Amazon being granted access to the database of NHS ...
by Spiral
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Has anyone seen the story in the times about Amazon being given complete free access the NHS database? Don't worry, your medical records aren't in Amazon's hands (yet!) but the sheer amount of data being handed over for nothing is a bloody outrage. Data is a commodity as valuable as any other and th...
by Spiral
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:39 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Death Penalty.
Replies: 307
Views: 11315

Re: The Death Penalty.

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by Spiral
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Thanks for the clarification. It wasn't me that mentioned C4 has withdrawn it, but I take your point. It's a surprise to nobody that twitter, like the rest of the internet, and like in life, is full of partisan hacks.
by Spiral
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

Are you talking about me, claretandy, because you've directly quoted me as saying 'he definitely does say talent' and it'd be odd of you to characterise me as being utterly convinced he said colour.
by Spiral
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

It's all moot anyway because he 100% says talent, but I was able to hear both when I tuned my ears to hear each word. Besides, Johnson has no interest in controlling immigration. The control of borders is a policy only ever intended to be wielded theoretically and is being used by fake brexiteers li...
by Spiral
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 4956
Views: 67284

Re: General Election Is On

It has a bit of the yanny-laurel effect people were debating a while back where people hear the word pronounced differently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanny_or_Laurel He definitely does say 'talent', although when I first heard it I also though he said 'colour'. 'People of talent' is a strange t...