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by JohnMcGreal
Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hampstead Claret RIP
Replies: 161
Views: 5806

Re: Hampstead Claret RIP

Really sad news. Rest in peace, HampsteadClaret.
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That's what I said, pretty much. These MPs are saying that they will either agree a deal on the EU's terms, or they will stay in the EU. I want to know which they prefer. Bearing in mind that the EU's terms have been rejected by the following parties: Conservative, Labour, Liberal, SNP, Plaid Cymru...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Who knew that the surrender act makes getting a deal harder ? i mean, it's not like anybody warned about it did they ? What happened to the easiest deal in history Andy? What happened to the EU bending over backwards for us? What happened to us holding all the cards after voting to leave? What happ...
by JohnMcGreal
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I agree but Andy like myself pointed out it was rejected by Parliament 3 times, surely you are not proposing that only leave MP's voted rejection are you? If not then the remain are just as culpable are they not? As I keep trying to say, we have been far apart in this negotiation, it needs to get c...
by JohnMcGreal
Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ban Smacking
Replies: 172
Views: 3320

Re: Ban Smacking

Walton wrote:Just logged in to congratulate Rowls on becoming a father and completing his masters in child psychology.


Child psychology, dog psychology...what's the difference, right Rowls?
by JohnMcGreal
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Fact is we live in a parliamentary democracy. The elected representatives of the people, in parliament, are sovereign over anything else. If you don't like how they're dealing with the referendum then I entirely respect that - although I don't necessarily agree - but it's a huge leap from that to s...
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Statement issued by the European parliament’s Brexit steering group (BSG): First, the UK proposals on customs and on regulatory aspects explicitly provide for infrastructure, controls and checks but are unclear as to exactly where and how these would be carried out. Any form of controls and checks i...
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I didn't think this would need saying, but evidently it does, going off the last few pages of this thread: It doesn't matter if 500 MPs are prepared to vote for a deal, if that proposal is unacceptable to the EU. Having an indicative vote on it would be like voting for a fantasy. It would be voting ...
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ban Smacking
Replies: 172
Views: 3320

Re: Ban Smacking

Children and dogs benefit enormously from smacking and the concept of physical punishment. Why people cannot distinguish between this and hitting or beating is beyond me. Show me a single toddler or dog who understands the reasoning behind "You mustn't run into the road because it could kill y...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Apparently 95% of North / South trade in Ireland is already covered by the 'trusted traders' scheme which is an electronic system for dealing with vat, differing exchange rates etc. The governments plan seems to be to include customs information within this electronic system. Obviously there will n...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Agree any imminent GE will almost certainly lead to yet another hung parliament,if MPs passed legislation for a referendum,and given their previous reluctance that's not guaranteed,how long would the extension be and when would any referendum take place,according to the 'people's vote' campaigners ...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1178790639162609665 Not sure this is going to help No election till the spring, and not until Brexit is revolved doesn't sound great. If that's true, that's a huge development, and a very positive one. A general election at this stage is utterly pointless. It won't...
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It's been rejected 3 times and yet people think it can be the middle option in a ref question in an approach that is biased towards remain. It isn't a middle option. It is the only credible leave option available. That is what Brexit looks like. Don't like it? Don't vote for it. The really importan...
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Surely leave is entitled to define what leave means? Leave has been trying define what leave means for over three years now, but still hasn't come close to actually doing it. The reality is that leaving the EU means the withdrawal agreement. The only thing we're arguing over is whether we ratify it...
by JohnMcGreal
Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That there is the hitting the nail on the head. This country is going to stop Brexit at any cost. Any illusion I had that the vote would be acted on evaporated in the last few weeks. It’s looking like a deal behind the scenes means the next extension will be for 6 months. No. Our sovereign parliame...
by JohnMcGreal
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

We've done this to death, and we can't be certain what will be on the paper, but its pretty obvious what should be on: Question 1. Do you wish to leave the EU on (set date) ? YES/ NO Question 2. If a simple majority vote to leave, do you wish the UK to leave: A With the deal negotiated or B with no...
by JohnMcGreal
Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

No. I would say the people I know are spilt fairly evenly. I am using my significant experience of working in a political environment to judge that revoking A50 without another referendum and having another referendum now would be seen as anti democratic by a significant majority of voters. :lol: '...
by JohnMcGreal
Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:01 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Book recommendations
Replies: 51
Views: 1891

Re: Book recommendations

Just finished The North Water by Ian McGuire and it was superb.
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: A Brexit Parallel!
Replies: 13
Views: 909

Re: A Brexit Parallel!

Just wait until Ringo finds out that the largest single expression of research vessel naming democracy has not been IMPLEMENTED
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

There have been some real low points over the last few years, but tonight's performance from Boris Johnson is the most depressing and sickening of them all. An enormous sack of human shite.
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Here we go. Large font and bold type are on board.

The Ringo train is leaving the station.
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Parliament suspension illegal..
Replies: 207
Views: 4963

Re: Parliament suspension illegal..

MPs ( on both sides) and Parliament as a whole haven’t exactly crowned themselves in glory over the last few years. We are going to get extreme politics from both sides now. Nah. Get out of here with your 'both sides' bullshit. There's only one side here who has illegally suspended Parliament and i...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

BleedingClaret wrote:Time for talking is over
17.4 lace your boots


:lol: :lol: :lol:
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Parliament is sovereign.
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:34 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The PC brigade love to spam this worn out cliché They have done a lot of damage to modern society with their manipulation of young minds this PC brigade. Thankfully as people get older and experience real life they begin to see through the fog of PC shite and actually apply common sense to real lif...
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Lowbankclaret wrote:I kept out of the discussion, so missed most of what was said. But the Luxembourg incident was mentioned.


So not the actions of the EU, then.
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Our next MP

AndyClaret wrote:It's not a trick question my friend.


It wasn't a trick answer, either.
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Our next MP

AndyClaret wrote:You got any evidence for the brexit party's tough language on immigration?


Stoking fear over invading foreigners is so 2016.

Stoking fear over traitors and treachery will be the message from those ghouls this time round.
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You have missed the point. We could have a party that has democrat in it's name that would very clearly be anti democratic. Anyway it would be good news for Boris if they were daft enough to agree such a policy. I had a conversation with taio about this very scenario a good few months back. If a pa...
by JohnMcGreal
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You've missed out the "And then campaign against our own negotiated deal" part. Never in my life have I ever known a politician - or anyone for that matter - enter a negotiation having publicly said they will campaign to reject whatever they manage to negotiate. Maybe you're right, and it...
by JohnMcGreal
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

So it looks like Johnson has completely boxed himself in and only has three options:

1. Break his promise
2. Break the law
3. Resign

Have I missed anything?
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The answers from Lancaster, Devils_Advocate and aggi are all around party policy and numbers, which is perfectly reasonable. If the numbers aren't there, it isn't going to happen. But are we right in saying that legally, if policy and numbers did change so that the majority of the Commons ends up be...
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

summitclaret wrote:What happened to acting in the best interests of the country?


By voting down the WA, which is worse than our current EU membership, and by voting down no deal, which is much worse than our current EU membership, they are acting in the best interests of the country.
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

A question for those who are clued up on this sort of thing: Now that the opposition coalition effectively have a majority in Parliament, is there anything that could stop them from tabling a bill to call a new EU referendum? I understand that Standing Order 24 is a route they’ve taken twice to cont...
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You still think there is a massive pro-EU majority? There are 3 main attitudes to the EU: 1. I want out. 2. I want in, or else to be out in a way that is close to being in. 3. I don't care but I am sick of the whole thing. The Tories will get all of group 1 and will have a big advantage in chasing ...
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Hammond couldn't stand as a Conservative, expelled or not. How can you stand a s a Conservative when you disagree with the central plank of the manifesto and when you don't want your leader to become Prime Minister? How can you stand as a Conservative when you already know that if there are 324 Tor...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Fair play to those Tory rebels who defied the bullying tactics of their increasingly unhinged party of extremists. Also to Corbyn who refused to rise to the bait and told Johnson he can stick his election until the legislation to prevent no deal has passed. The government have tried to bully and sid...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I think these might be a rough few days for Ringo and Co.
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings
Replies: 84
Views: 5402

Re: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings

Pope 7
Lowton 4
Tarkowski 8
Mee 5
Pieters 5
Lennon 5
Cork 6
Westwood 5
McNeil 6
Wood 5
Barnes 5

Rodriguez 6
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Not much wrong with that, but if the only issue is what deal we are leaving on, why arent the HOC, and people like yourself, supporting Boris to get a good deal, instead of putting obstacles in the way of a deal. If you genuinely want Johnson to negotiate a good deal with the EU, do you not think i...
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: A head scratcher - Dyche
Replies: 14
Views: 1636

Re: A head scratcher - Dyche

Another is to do with motivation. Whilst Dyche is right to say they aren't in the first team because they don't perform in games like this, we and they all know that playing well against Sunderland in the cup isn't going to get you in the team against Liverpool in the PL. They also know that the mo...
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

So an unelected PM fronting a coalition of MPs in a non-elected interim/caretaker government is democratic? That’s what Corbyn is trying to do but, thankfully, he is so odious and such a political non-entity, he can’t find the necessary support. It's not ideal, but yes, because that's how the Fixed...
by JohnMcGreal
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

An unelected PM shutting down Parliament to force through a No Deal Brexit which has no public mandate. It really is appalling stuff, wherever you stand on the issue of leaving the EU. That said, I'm not remotely surprised to see the predictable political extremists on here defending it. They've sho...
by JohnMcGreal
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That's my worry too. In a sense, the Remainers might help, because as long as the EU thinks no-deal won't happen, they won't concede anything. After all this time, it's incredible that there are people who still believe that we just need to convince the EU that we really are serious about blowing o...
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:41 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Leavers: How dare you suggest that we didn't know what we were voting for. We knew we were voting for No Deal and that's what we want!

Also Leavers: The intransigent EU are forcing a No Deal exit on us with their mean and nasty bullying! How dare they!
by JohnMcGreal
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18911
Views: 348152

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

We've also laid aside the obvious "will there be a hard border in Ireland after Brexit?" question. There won't. The Irish economy will be worse hit than the UK economy after Brexit, which will I dare say damage the standing of the government, and if they build border points as well they w...
by JohnMcGreal
Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:34 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: A question re: Taylor v Pieters and McNeil
Replies: 41
Views: 3340

Re: A question re: Taylor v Pieters and McNeil

I don't quite get the rave reviews of Pieters' performance. He looked like a solid back up option, which is what we signed him for I guess. While he had a perfectly adequate game, I didn't see anything in his performance that showed him to be a better player than Taylor. His cross for the second goa...
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Southampton - Player Ratings
Replies: 79
Views: 9128

Re: Burnley v Southampton - Player Ratings

Pope 7
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 8
Mee 8
Pieters 7
Gusmundsson 6
Westwood 6
Cork 7
McNeil 6
Barnes 8
Wood 6
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Danny Ings
Replies: 78
Views: 8720

Re: Danny Ings

There was the trouble with Ings in January too. I heard he didn't want to play against Sunderland? Can't remember the precise details but we turned in a stinker against a relegation rival. I think had we won that game we'd have stayed up instead of getting relegated. I think he started the game but...
by JohnMcGreal
Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Going to games alone
Replies: 113
Views: 8125

Re: Going to games alone

ClaretAndJew wrote:I sat in JHL on my own from 2010-2017


Bloody hell, that's a long time.

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