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by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:44 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

But who to vote for? The liberal’s priced me out with revocation of A50, Brexit and UKIP are mental and the greens is a wasted vote. Where is the centre vote these days? As an aside, my MP is Nigel Evans who I consider a decent bloke anyway. Well Nigel Evans isn’t anywhere near the centre ground.
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: BREAKING NEWS: Paul McCartney
Replies: 69
Views: 2576

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Paul McCartney

In my opinion that is true. If you think I am wrong please tell me what he has written in the last 15 years that is good. If I haven't heard it then I'll listen and give you an honest appraisal. If I look back over the last 40 years I can count on the fingers of one hand the things I have heard tha...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Agreed! But you can my problem I want to vote Lib Dem, but its a struggle up here. I want a sensible Brexit option, but to get that I have to give my vote to Labour, who I know from last time will take my vote and use it as justification for whatever they want. And a lot of stuff that is argued abo...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

And voting for the duopoly just because of that makes its self perpetuating. It’s the system that makes it self perpetuating, but i can see a circular argument coming here so I’ll leave that point there! I’m a big supporter of PR but I can’t see it ever happening in this country. Even when the Lib ...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:55 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

But if enough people vote, then it will change. I'm torn between voting for what I want or tactically but I'm struggling to justify a tactical vote at the moment. But that will take a shift of tens of millions of people. The biggest shift of voters in recent times was to UKIP but even they only man...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:44 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Not denying it (though do agree with Clegg and others on this) but the point is that if the choice is between Johnson and Corbyn, why are you choosing one or the other when there are others? But with our current electoral system their isn’t really. You’ve got to accept that our PM will be Johnson o...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Season tickets
Replies: 16
Views: 992

Re: Season tickets

Unless you know someone who wants a ticket sitting by themselves you may struggle anyway. I’d love to start taking my five year old on but every seat is taken round where my season ticket is. So I have a choice, move seats next season where I can find a couple of seats together and accept I won’t be...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

As a junior partner in a coalition, which made it easy for the Conservatives to claim credit for Lib Dem policies, and made it easier for both Lab and Cons to blame the Lib Dems for everything. It suits both of them to marginalise other parties who threaten to break up the duopoly. They certainly t...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

What does astonish me is that we've been ruled by Conservative or Labour governments and they all have done alright or terrible. With such a bewildering bad choice between Johnson or Corbyn, I'm surprised so many people are refusing to vote for anyone else. It won't get any better if you give eithe...
by martin_p
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Considering Corbyn cant even be honest when calling May a stupid woman on camera, I can’t really see what the point is in trusting any of them, let alone arguing one is more ‘honest’ than the other. You’re right, there is no argument, it is absolutely clear that Johnson is the most dishonest of the...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt
Replies: 99
Views: 3534

Re: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt

Ric_C wrote:
Remember we only were relegated in the end due to us not beating wigan at the JJB.


That's stretching it a bit, there were still seven games to go after that match!
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: War of the Worlds....
Replies: 40
Views: 1232

Re: War of the Worlds....

Recorded but not watched yet but the ads seem to make it look 'right'. The film adaptations have stolen the whole story and made it America saves the world again (in modern times). This is (or appears to be) the correct story set in Victorian (I think) times. Does the first pod still land in Leathe...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:47 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt
Replies: 99
Views: 3534

Re: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt

I agree with this part. It was always going to be a struggle and the only chance we had was with Coyle in charge (and we did have a chance) I think we'd have gone down with a good appointment although with a good appointment I think we'd have been a lot better the following year than we were under ...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt
Replies: 99
Views: 3534

Re: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt

Thats a different argument (and getting into a circular one) which I think has a lot more merit than saying the rot had set in because we had a bad run. You used a bad run for your argument so I was just showing that bad runs are common for good bad and all the teams in between and it has happened ...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: War of the Worlds....
Replies: 40
Views: 1232

Re: War of the Worlds....

Couple of slightly confusing moments (which I won't elaborate on for anyone that hasn't seen it yet) but overall a promising start, will be watching the 2nd episode. I was slightly confused by what was supposed to be London clearly being St George’s Hall in Liverpool and the surrounding area ;) Thi...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:33 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt
Replies: 99
Views: 3534

Re: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt

I still believe if Coyle had stayed we would have had a far better chance than with Laws. When it was announced he was our new man I actually genuinely believed someone was having a joke. The Coyle haters on here should try to remember what he did for us. Okay his record elsewhere is poor, apart fr...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt
Replies: 99
Views: 3534

Re: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt

The season Dyche first kept us up we had 14 points from the first 11 and then lost 5 of the next 6 games (had the rot set in then). I think picking out runs of games in the Prem isn't really a good reflection as if you get a few hard home games in a row or draw a couple of home games rather than wi...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt
Replies: 99
Views: 3534

Re: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt

That side should have stayed up regardless of appointment. They downed tools! We had 20 points at the half way stage, something we’d be glad of right now, and to only get 10 points, 3 of which came v Spurs in the final game when already relegated, was shocking. Our players weren’t good enough for t...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt
Replies: 99
Views: 3534

Re: Robbie Blake on Brian Laws appointmemt

We had a significantly better side in 2014/15 which still went down. That team wasn’t good enough to stay up unfortunately and it was too far away from good enough for throwing lots of money at it to make much of a difference.
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:07 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

That's what I said. The plan was that until 2020 the National Debt would still be increasing, while the budget deficit was being reduced. Then in 2020 the budget would finally balance and from that year or 2021, they could start repaying the debt. If you criticise Cameron's government for not reduc...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

[url]Election 2015: Conservative manifesto at-a-glance http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32302062[/url] Oh, and here’s the BBC’s look at the 2015 Tory manifesto where it talks about getting to a budget surplus so we can ‘start to pay down our debts’. Page 7 of their manifesto if you want confi...
by martin_p
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

It's a widespread misconception. So-called"austerity" was never intended to repay the national debt. It was supposed to balance the books so that debt stopped increasing. The Tories/Coalition inherited a huge balance of payments deficit from Gordon brown and that deficit is what they were...
by martin_p
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

It hasn't doubled either. Debt would have been more without austerity. So, yes, less debt. Without austerity it might have doubled or even tripled. Without austerity the economy would probably have grown faster giving the government bigger tax receipts, so it’s impossible to say either way. One thi...
by martin_p
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

taio wrote:Less debt.


As has been posted above, debt has doubled since 2010. That’s not really ‘less’ is it?
by martin_p
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

And they didnt because it proved to be a monumental challenge. I'm not surprised they didnt eliminate the deficit by 2015. I wouldn't have wanted them to cut public spending to the extent required to do that. Then in 2015 we were promised we’d bee in surplus by 2020. We won’t be, which is why that ...
by martin_p
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Do you honestly think such an increase in debt wasn't necessary? Do you really believe that while at the same time being heavily critical of austerity to bring the annual deficit under control? And can you provide the debt figure in 09/10 and the debt now to show how it has tripled. In 2010 the Tor...
by martin_p
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

There was a worldwide financial crisis, over ten years ago. This government tripled the debt Labour left (tripled!), and smashed up people’s lives with austerity. How we are now is entirely down to the choices made by Cameron and May, and I’m disappointed a lot of people would vote for the same bad...
by martin_p
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: War of the Worlds....
Replies: 40
Views: 1232

Re: War of the Worlds....

Glad that someone has finally done an adaptation in the right place and period in history. Early 20th century weapons being useless against Martians always seemed more realistic than those from the nuclear age.
by martin_p
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Turf Sleepout
Replies: 19
Views: 1241

Re: Turf Sleepout

So what do we have to do if we are interested in helping? (It's probably been adequately covered before, but I must have missed it) What time do you have to be available? What time do you finish? What does the job entail? [A link to a previous thread will be fine] Turn up at the Turf an hour and 45...
by martin_p
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

dsr wrote:There is indeed. But appointing Johnson via members' vote isn't repeating the action of appointing May by acclamation. So no relevance there.


And of course Johnson’s name begins with a ‘J’ not an ‘M’ so there’s another difference equally as relevant.
by martin_p
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

dsr wrote:It's never a mistake to hope things go well.


There’s a famous quote about repeating your actions and expecting different results.
by martin_p
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

dsr wrote:Yes. I hoped she would make a better PM than she was a Home Secretary, but she didn't.


And now you’re hoping Johnson will make a better PM than Foreign Secretary. Don’t make the same mistake twice!
by martin_p
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

I agree. One of the problems at the Home Office was that the box tickers in the office completely misunderstood (deliberately or otherwise) the point of the targets and the point of wanting to deport illegal immigrants. They decided that if you deport a good hard working taxpayer it counts just the...
by martin_p
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Top Claret wrote:Tories 44% yr lot 29% so the todays opinion polls say.
Let's hope the good news continues for the sake of our country


You must be Scottish.
by martin_p
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Well they have one thing in common both have been formally investigated by the EHRC for institutional racism. Labour can bury their head in the sand,but this issue isn't going away. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/general-election-john-le-carr-231100200.html Lots on that list aren’t Labour supporters any...
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Hi martin, why would anyone pay for BBC, i.e. buy a license, if they can get all the content they need via the free at the point of use BB service? I get my broadband thru BT now. It includes their football and other stuff - not that I use it often. My BT Box (youview, I think it's called) broke do...
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Hi Andrew, some questions, if I may. 1) so, is this British Broadband offering all these internet services? 2) Do we shut down BBC, because it's all available over BB? Do we end BBC license fee? I guess that's one way of making sure that over 75s get free licenses; 3) I assume just UK taxpayers? Ha...
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

taio wrote:He said now. Might go that way eventually but currently would be illegal.


Why would it be illegal?
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

taio wrote:How would you determine who needs it?

Interaction with government doesn't have to by online.


Believe me, that’s the way it’s going.
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Lord Rothbury wrote:When asked the same question Diane Abbott replied 80/40.


But that’s still closer to the right answer than Johnson got!
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 21182
Views: 461385

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

PM: July deadline guaranteed 'if we get a working majority' Boris Johnson's withdrawal agreement says the UK and the EU would have to decide by 1 July 2020 whether to extend the post-Brexit transition period beyond 31 December 2020. So if the UK were to leave on 31 January, there would be exactly f...
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

AndyClaret wrote:And you trust a Labour Government who can't protect their own website to do this ? Back when BT was a state run company, you had to wait up to 18 months for a phone line.


So you imagine the same people running a website will be I’m charge of U.K. wide broadband? Ok!
by martin_p
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

If everyone who works for broadband supply companies lose their jobs due it suddenly being given out for free will Santa fund them too whilst out of work. Why do you imagine everyone will lose their jobs, do you imagine it will run itself? Or do you think Jeremy Corbyn is going to run it from his b...
by martin_p
Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Lancasterclaret wrote:Andy missed that bit out!?!

No way!


The bit he posted wasn’t great!
by martin_p
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

AndyClaret wrote:And the full quote for context.


It’s worst than I thought!
by martin_p
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

It is factually accurate to say that Muslim women dressed in outfits that show only their eyes, look like they are wearing black pillar boxes. IMO. It is also, according to some definitions of racism, racist, because it refers to people of colour in a way that some people see as derogatory. Remembe...
by martin_p
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:12 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

NET immigration is currently 300,000 per year (3 million over 10 years). Imo this situation is unsustainable and this country needs a strong but fair immigration policy. The Conservatives are proposing an Australian style points based system. Can anyone (Andrew or Martin?) explain the immigration p...
by martin_p
Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Star Wars TV series - Mandalorian
Replies: 19
Views: 1189

Re: Star Wars TV series - Mandalorian

PremierLeagueClass wrote:Has anybody seen this yet? The first episode is getting rave reviews. Is there a way to get this in the UK by legal means?


Not until March when Disney+ becomes available in the U.K.
by martin_p
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 21182
Views: 461385

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It is fun isn't it. 1. Jingye 2. No 3. Yes 4. I don't know her body of work but I'd guess no. 5. No And 5 equally relevant questions for you: 1. Who has been funding the operating expenses, salaries, etc of British Steel since it went into administration? 2. What is the air speed of an African swal...
by martin_p
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2335
Views: 27979

Re: General Election Is On

Corbyn was approached by a racist, homophobic christian nutjob who seems to think pedophilia by the church is less perverse than consensual adult sex between two men who then started to accuse Corbyn of being a terrorist sympathiser with unsubstantiated claims and as a result Corbyn made the sensib...

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