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by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

If she represented her constituents her decision making would have and will going forward reflect that a big majority want to leave the EU. Do you honestly believe that has happened or will happen? Can you also highlight a single positive thing she's done for the town as MP? Helped to stop a no dea...
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

taio wrote:Don't know do you?


Nope, but I’m not the one claiming she hasn’t represented her constituents on Brexit. She’s followed the Labour whip in rejecting no deal, how do you know that’s not what the people of Burnley want?
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

taio wrote:Cooper clearly hasn't represented her constituents on Brexit. Also on local matters I can't think of a single positive thing she's done for the town.


Is there a majority for a no deal Brexit in Burnley?
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

In response to the now merged MP thread, I don’t know who it will be.... But I hope the 66-67% of the town who voted for brexit remember that their current MP has done everything she can to scupper it and follow her own agenda. She’s an absolute disgrace, and I hope people remember that she’s put h...
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Hi DA, martin and Lancs, I'm waiting on a station waiting for a train to work (I'm not req'd to get there by 9:00 these days) and listening to announcements about track-side fires and the usual "we are sorry that your journey will take longer than planned" messages So, we've got time to s...
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Yes but you've (either deliberately or stupidly) misrepresented what the word actual was referring to. Its plain to see that the word actual was used as saying the thing being talked about actually exists. You manage to write enormously long winded posts and like to construct a detailed argument so...
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Have you really typed that garbage above? You have added the word "actual" and then used the word you have added to be the basis for your argument against whether there is validity in a worst case (not actual worst case) scenario versus a base case scenario Scenario Modelling is a standar...
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I expect our elected representatives to honour the manifesto pledges on which they were elected. If they wont , then they should allow voters to replace them with elected representatives that will . I'm old fashioned that way. Good. You do support all MPs other than Tories supporting a bill to stop...
by martin_p
Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:07 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Paul Waine wrote:Hi aggi, I don't recall being the first to reference a murder - I believe I was only referring to the act of prorogation - and the English High Court's view on Miller #2 with respect to prorogation.


And they still didn’t say (or mean) ‘no problem’.
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Another content free interview from Johnson with Laura Keunsberg on the BBC despite her best efforts to glean some new information. It’s embarrassing.
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Let’s be honest, embarrassing Johnson is a bit of an open goal, and given everything he’s said about the EU, the lies he’s told, one they’re more than willing to take.
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The specific instance of Johnson hypothetically resigning is not the same circumstance as every other time a PM has left office, so you can't assume the same actions will apply. Johnson's hypothetical resignation is nothing like May's. To make it clear, if a sitting PM resigns is forced out by losi...
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Ok so just point me to which labour or Tory MP became an elected representative based on a 2017 manifesto pledge that stated they would stop the PM from being able to walk away from a bad deal and force him to request an extension? Name one labour or Tory who was given an electoral mandate saying h...
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Nowadays, the Queen won't appoint a PM until the HofC has voted for one with a majority vote. That’s evidently rubbish as Boris Johnson hasn’t won a single vote in the House of Commons. Plus, every PM appointed by the Queen after a general election is appointed before parliament has even been opened.
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

dsr wrote:While Bercow is the Speaker, the anti-Brexit party can have any votes necessary to stop Brexit.


You keep missing the words ‘no deal’ out of your sentences.
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: David Cameron
Replies: 28
Views: 940

Re: David Cameron

Do you think he foresaw the extension of article 50 and planned his book release for September on that basis?
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

But will they stop at that? What's to prevent them passing a law on a second ref with a fixed question or revoking A50? Although if they did something like those, many of those MPs would surely face being kicked out at the next GE. The fact there won’t be a majority for either of those options in p...
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Spijed wrote:Surely the media and MP's are wise to this?


You would hope so!
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Great thread from PM Foster of the Telegraph of the various options and likelihood of them being done in the "Deal". https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1173540423861768192 Worryingly there is a stream of thought that means a loophole in the no deal bill means that Johnson can get no dea...
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Apologies aggi, but no, it isn’t. We have a parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy, and the executive power that the Queen would normally wield is delegated to her Government, “the Executive”. That is the way our constitution works. Our elected representatives have legislative powe...
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You can't see any hint that she approves of their actions? Just as a bit of potentially useful information, incidentally - if you try to do something and fail, it doesn't mean your policy is to fail. Man City didn't have a policy of losing to Norwich, Boris Johnson doesn't have a policy of losing a...
by martin_p
Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/14/students-boris-johnson-tories-momentum-votes-marginals "The #stopthecoup protests have galvanised and united Labour’s base in opposition to Johnson’s anti-democratic, establishment power grab. They have already severely destabilised the Joh...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm pretty sure prorogation is legal - it's the process parliament follows before every Queen's speech, isn't it. In what situation is something that the PM has for a long time (always?) had the power to do become "not legal?" The simple issue is that in 2010 a "bad law" was ena...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Hi Martin, isn't that what "no problem" means - it's "not for us to decide on." I think the legal term for English high court was "non-jurisdictionable." It's funny how you wanted to say I'm "not even close to being right" when, what you meant to say was &quo...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I also asked whether the rabble alliance had any sort or electoral mandate? Yes or no? You won't answer!!! Because you know the answer! Earlier on this week I said the 2016 referendum result was the largest single expression of democracy this nation has ever witnessed. Out you popped huffing and pu...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

RingoMcCartney wrote:Doh!!! :lol:

The Tory manifesto said "no deal is better than a bad deal" Marty :lol:

Where is the electoral mandate for restricting the PM to being obliged to a deal ?



Ok, fair point. But the Tories didn’t win a majority so there wasn’t actually a mandate for their manifesto.
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

RingoMcCartney wrote:Electoral mandate? :lol: :lol:


You asked whether there was scrutiny on the Benn Bill, the answer is yes.
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

RingoMcCartney wrote:Was there scrutiny of the Benn bill.

Yes or no?


Yes. Two readings with debates and debate in the Lords.
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

RingoMcCartney wrote:Where is the electoral mandate for restricting the PM to being obliged to a deal ?


The fact the Tory manifesto promised the best deal for Britain.
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Let's wait until the Supreme Court makes it's decision before we decide on the rights and wrongs of proroguing Parliament. We've so far had, English High Court say "not a problem" (my phrase, not their exact legal judgement), Scottish Court "it's a problem" (we all know that Sco...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Swinson seems very nice and not bigotted for a Jock But stating that if you win a parliamentary majority at a GE then you believe that is a mandate for revoking Article 50 when that majority could be gained with 30 odd percent of the vote and less than 10 million people is either ill thought throug...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

summitclaret wrote:Anyone that alters the 'decision' of a referendum without another would be anti democratic imo. Don't you agree?


Not if they get a majority having campaigned for it in a general election.
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

summitclaret wrote:The point is she has more chance stopping brexit if she says she will support remain in a second referendum than by wanting to overule the existing one. That's good news for Boris and sort of for Corbyn.


You’ve changed the point now!
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

There was a public government petition which anyone could sign if they wanted an election on Theresa May's resignation. On reaching 100,000 if would have a parliamentary debate. It did not reach even half way to that figure. There was a vote of no confidence in May’s government and a vote of no con...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You have missed the point. We could have a party that has democrat in it's name that would very clearly be anti democratic. Anyway it would be good news for Boris if they were daft enough to agree such a policy. No you’re missing the point. A party can hold any view it wants and says to the public ...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Rabid remainer and Lib (Dem) leader Jo Swinson has just been on the AM Show spouting her none democratic views. At it's conference today she is asking that their policy becomes repeal A50 without a second referendum. So the party name would be forever known as the ******** to Brexit Party. How can ...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Another naive attack on the Brexit Party. Let’s compare to the Lib Dems, my topic of the weekend. The BP candidates are more diverse than the Lib Dem’s. The BP have more business expertise (on average) than the Lib Dem’s. The BP are more centric than the Lib Dem’s (on a libertarian / authoritarian ...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:01 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

No, I'm not saying that they should not be allowed to protest. Obviously. You'd need to be extremely and determinedly prejudiced to think that was what I said. What I am saying is that Voltaire's approach of "I disapprove of what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it" is ...
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:34 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

dsr wrote:But rather more to the point, does Momentum think that drowning out one's political opponents so their voices cannot be heard is the true democratic way?


Are you suggesting they shouldn’t be allowed to protest? Is that the true democratic way?
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Should Vydra start?
Replies: 66
Views: 2625

Re: Should Vydra start?

Nope
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:27 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: MOTD
Replies: 21
Views: 1827

Re: MOTD

It got all the comment it deserved.
by martin_p
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The Brexit Party are making sure that they are right when they say that there’s a communist standing for election in Islington North. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/14/to-see-how-extremism-has-taken-root-in-britain-look-at-islington-north?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other These are your bed...
by martin_p
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The first question posed by the blogger is "In the wake of the Brexit referendum result, it was oft repeated that the older generations were more likely to have voted for Britain to leave the European Union. This presents something of a puzzle; why would older generations, likely to have exper...
by martin_p
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Lowbankclaret wrote:You guys are really in your own bubble of denial.

I must be really sad to have listened to Ursula Van Der Leyen and her plans for the next five years.


It’s called the real world mate.
by martin_p
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Imploding Turtle wrote:You know we could veto all of that, right?

How ******* dumb do you have to be to fall for that bullshit?


The same level of dumbness you claim a bye election was fixed when there’s no evidence and the police have looked into it and found nothing.
by martin_p
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tommy Robinson Tuesday
Replies: 836
Views: 34815

Re: Tommy Robinson Tuesday

Devils_Advocate wrote:Imagine being stuck in jail and finally on your release the first person waiting outside the gates to meet you is a slavering Katie Hopkins. You'd think about turning around and going back inside


I wouldn't need to think about it!
by martin_p
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Alexa
Replies: 26
Views: 1186

Re: Alexa

Rileybobs wrote:I don’t really get the advantage. If it’s linked to your Apple Music you could just say the name of the song into your phone and beam it to any wireless speaker. Presuming you can’t add a playlist as you go with Alexa either? Just seems like a gimmick.


You can add a playlist using Alexa.
by martin_p
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:07 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Spijed wrote:He's backtracking very quickly on removing the whip. He wants the 21 MP's back on side.


I think the majority of the 21 would vote for a deal anyway. Many of them voted consistently for May’s deal and have therefore voted to leave the EU more times than the PM and some of his cabinet.
by martin_p
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:50 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14137
Views: 260486

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

TheFamilyCat wrote:Surely the second “likely outcome” is incredibly unlikely? How can there be a commons majority for no-deal when the majority voted to pass a bill to prevent it?


It would seem unlikely. I think we’re down to two options really, a deal getting through the commons or Johnson resigning.
by martin_p
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Alexa
Replies: 26
Views: 1186

Re: Alexa

Any idea how to get her to shut up and just play music / sounds without her lighting up and talking at the top of her voice? In short if I ask it to play a track I just want it to play. Sometimes it does sometimes it tells you what it is starting playing... If you’ve got ‘follow up mode’ switched o...

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