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by android
Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Women's Rowing and Cycling
Replies: 4
Views: 388

Re: Women's Rowing and Cycling

Isn't it time to set up a separate "trans" category for all sports? Disagree. I do not think it is practical. The Canadian footballer is a good example. Quinn would not have adequate numbers to play with or against. Surely it is far better for people to just accept trans people participating in the...
by android
Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Women's Rowing and Cycling
Replies: 4
Views: 388

Re: Women's Rowing and Cycling

Thanks for your responses Alarge and Rowls! The reference to "birth sex" reminds me that although Rowing and Cycling have done the right thing, they still used the language of the ideologically captured, indicative of what has crept into nearly all our large corporations and organisations it seems. ...
by android
Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Women's Rowing and Cycling
Replies: 4
Views: 388

Women's Rowing and Cycling

Some good news for women's sport today, as British Rowing has followed a recent decision by British Cycling to reinstate the female category. The women's category had become mixed sex under their old rules. They have both gone with exactly the proposal that I outlined on here about a year ago. The f...
by android
Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

As I previously said to Android I just find the whole thing pretty weird. Not so much the JK Rowling stance but all of the blokes who are so keen to jump on this as an erosion of women's rights who have been notably conspicuous on other debates on women's rights. And as I have previously said Aggi,...
by android
Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

I must admit that I had no idea what our last posts were on this topic, I just remembered that it is pretty much the only thing you posted on. However your response piqued my interest so I had a look back and it seems that what I did was quote you and the article that you had quoted (with your pers...
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

daveisaclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:33 pm
I do mean you yes. My opinion is that trans women are women and that you're an awful bigot.
Your views on lesbians duly noted. Evidence-free insults is all you have - but the no debate strategy is running out of road.
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

You took your concerns about women's rights and child welfare onto a thread about Andrew Tate and didn't speak one single word against Andrew Tate. Hmmm... You need to get your $hit together and call out Tate-brand misogyny if your concern for women is sincere and not just some hobby horse, because...
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

Wayhey, he's back. I was a bit concerned as there was a similar topic a few weeks ago and he didn't comment which was very worrying. Hi aggi, I haven't been on here much recently sorry! But last time I engaged with you I didn't get a chance (nothing to do with you or me but the thread was closed be...
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

Having a UTC account you only use to moan about trans people is an interesting life choice imo Assume you mean me. I moan about gender identity ideology not trans people. I write about it because posters keep making it is obvious that not many people are aware of what is happening and the damage th...
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

Ah yes CulTuRe wArS. The familiar pattern - you comment, I challenge, you claim ignorance but state these things, of which you have no knowledge, except of course the certainty that they are DEFINITELY just culture wars (sigh). I'm not interested in culture wars, but I am interested in reality, wome...
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:42 pm
Damo is taking the **** Android

There is no way that his lad is doing all them things, and the reason I know that is that I'm the dad of two boys
Your post arose from Damo's but I was replying to your salient point. Do you agree with me?
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:33 pm
You been at the gurners?
Imagine my surprise that you were unaware of what was happening :lol:
by android
Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Andrew Tate saga continues
Replies: 443
Views: 17507

Re: The Andrew Tate saga continues

Is the danger of going out with girls with a penis that high? It is for lesbians. Not literally, as that would be impossible according to long understood definitions. But there are an increasing number of males with a penis who claim to be lesbians. Apart from the danger, one of the potential conse...
by android
Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

So you have no interest in showing any empathy to trans people then? Thanks for clearing that up - your post from last night did sow some seeds of doubt, but now here you are smearing them all as potential predators. Back to form I see Greenmile. It's a small illustration of the type of dishonesty ...
by android
Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

Can we agree that empathy towards trans people is good? After all, that’s what I wrote but you seem to have “inadvertently” misrepresented it again. If we can agree, then maybe you could start demonstrating some. ie - by referring to pre-op trans women as “pre-op trans women” and not “intact hetero...
by android
Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

SocialistClaret wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:33 am
Yeah. Very extremely courageous of them. It's like that kid who is bullied by bigger kids at school, instead of fighting back they courageously bully a kid smaller than them instead.
Wow now that really is out of touch. Females are famous for bullying smaller males.
by android
Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

When you are occasionally thinking that Android is debating in good faith then stuff like this gives a reality check as to what he really thinks. Care to explain Aggi? I quickly corrected it in a second post to many rather than most, as I don't have statistics on it but is was more of an observatio...
by android
Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65171795 Amount of money for social care reform halved But yeah, lets talk about those poor people on the boats and the trans people bathroom thingy It will be a great comfort to so many women that Lancaster Claret has decreed that they do not need to worry their prett...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

This apppears to be an admission that sympathy (although I think you mean empathy) to trans people is a "nice" trait, and that a lack of such empathy is the cause of problems around the world - on that we can agree. No idea why you call it and "admission" but empathy is good let's agree for a change.
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

I don't know where you got this from, but it wasn't my link, which references gender reassignment surgery, but makes no mention whatsoever of sexuality. Yes that's fine if your survey indicated the intactness not the sexuality. And I also probably should have said many rather than most but my clums...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 7:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

Lots of interesting polls on the following link, but the one that stood out to me was :- Women are more likely than men to support greater transgender rights across all questions Across the board, women are more likely than men to support greater transgender rights. In fact, the only transgender is...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 7:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

Who is giving up rights by allowing trans people to exist in the world just like everyone else? It's a lie you've fallen for that the expansion of rights to a minority means removal of rights from the majority. It's not zero sum. Stop falling for it. What rights would you like trans people to have ...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

He's not well informed though is he? He's very good at taking a surface interest but not being able to go deeper or being unable to recognise when he's out of his depth On the thing you are on about, I'm completely honest that I'm totally out of my depth and I have limited interest in it* *but beca...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

No, you have posted about your daughter and her not being able to compete with trans athletes (apology if that is not correct) The rest of it (from what I'm reading) is a lot of people getting tremendously angry about gender neutral toilets and demanding that men are banned from them or something (...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

aggi wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:12 pm
That "more than half of the population" doesn't have homogeneous views on the matter though.
Correct. Do the women in your life think sex matters? (I'm not trying to be funny)!
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

It ought to be a marginal issue but both sides use issues like this as a kind of marker. The gender critical side will be desperate to use clips of Sir Kier Starmer failing to be able to define what a women is or, more recently, claiming that 1 in every 1000 women has a willy. The trans rights lobb...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

So do I! I shall remain disinterested because the country is falling apart and it is being weaponised by people who are responsible for the country falling apart I know you have personal interest in this based on previous conversations, but the country will still continue to fall apart whatever hap...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 1:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

You've decided that this is what this is about, and I've decided that the arguments you think its about are part of the culture war that I have no interest in fighting, and I'm pretty sure the real issues are a lot more complicated than that Got to struggle with work myself, and wondering how my la...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

Women's rights, child safeguarding and same-sex attraction rights do not interest you and you are worried about me!

I would like to discuss politics but I do not have time and it is probably not appropriate Let's leave it there LC. Have a good day.
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 10:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

That's good about your kids school LC and I know well enough what your political views are.

Do you at least get the point about sex?
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

All I will say to this is that you get one shot at life, and if you think or feel that you are in the wrong body or sex, and you can change it, and you are old enough to make that decision, then its f**k all to do with me I doubt many would disagree with that sentiment. You have probably inadverten...
by android
Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

The trans issue is an important one but it's not a main issue in a general election for me. I reckon those who regard it as a trans issue would agree. But I know there is a serious women's rights issue, a child well being and safeguarding issue (especially gay, autistic and vulnerable kids but by n...
by android
Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

When you look at it Tiger76 the government are going to use this refugee issue as they have little else. Lee Anderson deputy leader of the Tory party said a few weeks ago that the general election should be fought on the trans rights debate and other “culture war” issues,. I assume this is a refere...
by android
Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

Swizzlestick wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:58 pm
Who was the women’s rights supporter?
A female face in the crowd.
by android
Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Gary Lineker
Replies: 529
Views: 16992

Re: Gary Lineker

There are currently no legal routes for asylum seekers (Hong Kong, Syrians and Ukrainians have schemes) If the Rwanda plan had a chance for people to successfully claim asylum whilst there in the UK, then it wouldn't be ideal, but it would be a way of dealing with it But it doesn't, we will be esse...
by android
Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Women's Athletics
Replies: 15
Views: 1243

Re: Women's Athletics

Pleased to see that Seb Coe reads and heeds this board. It seems I underestimated him when I set up a critical thread in his name. Apologies to Seb. It is very good news but needs to trickle down to grassroots level. I think English Schools Athletics have made a positive statement. But it is not lik...
by android
Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

Just to add, android, I realise that in the post above I talked about the differences between equality and liberation, and I've just realised that it might come across as patronising to you. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to "educate" you or anything, I was drawing on that difference, which I sus...
by android
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

NRC wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:50 pm
that is blatantly and ignorantly false
Wow. When and where is the next book burning?
by android
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

Android the like post function doesn't work for me so I have had to post this to say wholeheartedly agree with your post. Though I may have been a little less tactful on the fragrant Ms Willoughby. Ha ha ha. And thanks. I previously wanted to thank you for speaking up as a woman on a male dominated...
by android
Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

That's what the prefix trans- is for. It's to differentiate between women who were born female and those people who, in the case of trans women, were born male but whose most authentic gender experience is best expressed as a 'woman', meaning, all the social behaviours and performances and rituals,...
by android
Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

How does something like this not breach women's rights. Of course it does and everyone knows it. The 17th placed girl who missed out on Honourable Mention All American status. The 9th place girl who missed out on the final and full All American. The 4th placed girl who missed the podium. The 2nd pl...
by android
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

I've just clipped this down to the relevant part I wish to respond to. Are you aware these sentences are chocked full of contradiction? It would be a contradiction for a person who conceives of themselves as "woman" to the point they identify as a "woman" to disregard the very concept of gender ide...
by android
Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

If DA, Spiral or anyone else is genuinely interested in the areas of concern for women and children with the GRR bill and the reason the UK government said no, Naomi Cunningham (discrimination lawyer) and Michael Foran (constitutional lawyer) explained some of it (although very briefly) in a parliam...
by android
Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

Middle-agedClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:40 pm
I think some of the posters on here should maybe get a hobby.
You know - perhaps finding a football team to support?
I am going to take your advice and take a break from this topic for a while. UTC
by android
Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

The slurs are just part and parcel of dealing with people who have a deep seated belief in their own moral superiority. They believe that anyone holding an opinion that differs from their own is fundamentally evil. Slurs come straight out their play book. The slurs dished out serve 2 purposes. The ...
by android
Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

Just to... It is refreshing to see different views expressed without the insults. Too much to unpack and no time. I do think many readers of your post will think it supports JKR's view (although to be clear I do not think you have any intention of deliberate misogyny). I would ask you to consider o...
by android
Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

1 - do you understand what the word “relatively” means? 2 - plenty of evidence you’re a bigot. Not least your support for the transphobic, homophobic, AstroTurf, fake “charity’ that is the LGB Alliance. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance 3 - the GRR bill has nothing to do with women in spor...
by android
Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

Nope, you're trying to suppress my fears by making out that that I'm labelling all trans people as potential predators. Of course that's not true and I completely get that all people deserve respect and compassion, but by introducing the new legislation it's a way of legitimising a male with a peni...
by android
Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

Spiral you write well and make some good points but you are exactly what JKR was talking about, coming along to tell the womenfolk not to worry their pretty little heads. You talk of predators being hypothetical because no-one has to show a gender certificate to get in a changing room but up to now ...
by android
Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sebastian Coe
Replies: 266
Views: 10686

Re: Sebastian Coe

It’s pretty disingenuous to start a thread talking about trans people in sport (which is a genuinely “difficult”, albeit relatively trivial, subject on which there is a reasonable debate to be had) as a Trojan Horse to force through your bigoted transphobic talking points and misinformation about t...