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by If it be your will
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

aggi wrote:There's a few on here who are a bit mealy mouthed about their racism but it's good to see that Top Claret doesn't try and hide the fact that he's a racist ****.

On a day to day basis, it's sometimes easy to forget it's still out there, isn't it?
by If it be your will
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Automaton certainly will change the working landscape in some jobs,but machines can't replace humans in nursing and social care,and these are 2 of the sectors that have labour shortages,and are also reliant on EU nationals,if the government really want to reduce net migration then fine,but in that ...
by If it be your will
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 2019 Burnley Election Forecast Competition ...
Replies: 50
Views: 1298

Re: 2019 Burnley Election Forecast Competition ...

Con 34
Lab 31
LD 22
Brexit 9
Green 2
Padiham 1
Ind 1
by If it be your will
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

If we as a country are going to have adequate staffing levels in the NHS,care homes and the hospitality industry to name just 3 things off the top of my head,we need inward migration that's just a fact. Even the Conservatives have seemingly now abandoned targets,and as you rightly point out they we...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Solo winter sun. Any tips? mid March-ish
Replies: 32
Views: 1335

Re: Solo winter sun. Any tips? mid March-ish

LS7 wrote:I’ve always fancied a trip to Sicily.

I wouldn't bother. (Godfather makes it look better than it is.)
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

AndyClaret wrote:If labour was full of John Mann's, Ian Austin's and Frank Fields I could vote for them, but it isn't.

(...shudder...)
by If it be your will
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9833

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Tories won't win in burnley, brexit party can

20/1

Stick your money on!

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... es/burnley
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

I have to agree with Ringo here, there's a lot of mingling between Brexit and the right wing and they can be viewed separately. I suspect in part it's due to how Brexit and immigration have been linked. Obviously it's not possible to be left leaning and vote for a party headed by Johnson or Farage ...
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Spijed wrote:Going to be very interesting as to how the TV debates go.

It'll be an interesting test as to just how bad Boris is in head to head debates, because considering the ludicrousness of Labour's positioning over the last few months, I feel even I could wipe the floor with Corbyn!
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Lancasterclaret wrote:But if this election doesn't give clarity, will you accept that two parliamentary elections show that an advisory referendum in 2016 shouldn't perhaps run the whole country till the end of time?

I see we're still using the But it was only 'advisory' argument. Come on.
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

This post sums up Corbynistas to a tee. Everything else is wrong. Not Corbyn though, its everything else. If labour get badly beaten in this election, I do worry that people still won't realise. (I hope they do well, simply because I think Corbyn is a better bet than Johnston, but that is because b...
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

A few points. Firstly, I'm not so sure an electorate swayed by enough bull$hit to demand Brexit without a plan wouldn't be equally as susceptible to being swayed by enough bull$hit to deliver a Tory govt, even a minority one, and the fact Labour have already lost three elections this decade and wil...
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

I have only ever voted labour. This is the first time I wont as the leader is totally out of touch with historic core labour values. I am now torn between a puppet and mirage. Personally this town being what it is will vote for Brexit and tactically I will vote with the mindless masses and vote for...
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you rather ... ?
Replies: 46
Views: 1379

Re: Would you rather ... ?

I'd trade relegation for an FA Cup win. But I'd trade hardly anything for 'losing finalist', and absolutely nothing for 'losing semi-finalist'.

That's the thing - it's a bit all-or-nothing, the FA Cup.

Yeah, go on, then. Let's go for it.
by If it be your will
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Lancasterclaret wrote:You can believe in Brexit and still vote Labour.

Legally, you can, yes.

It'll be immensely hard work, though.
by If it be your will
Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

Of course the counter argument would be “why should others have to pay for my healthcare?” There are practical and principled arguments: In principle, I should not welcome a sentient being suffering a miserable and untimely demise on account of a condition he had absolutely no control over. In prac...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

in essence, its a fantastic, iconic british institution, but ruined by ******* govenmental dpartments and abused by the public its there to care for. not to mention the millions wasted on delivering services for the undeserving scamsters, and those permitted to screw it for every penny without ever...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

That's what I thought, too. This stink about alleged privatisation isn't saying (at least, most people aren't) that no aspect of healthcare should ever be prvided by a limited company; it's saying that the current degree of private enterprise employed by the NHS is about right or too high and it sh...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

What do you mean by privatisation? Do you mean that the government is selling shares in the NHS and then paying dividends out of the NHS "profits"? Or do you mean that the NHS is using McAlpine to build its hospitals and GlaxoSmithKline to produce its drugs and the shareholders of those c...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

I'm not sure the NHS worked fine "20-25 years ago" - 1990s. Obviously it is somewhat subjective. Whilst not faultless, the 1990s version of the NHS worked like a dream when compared to the current one. We need to make a decision: full insurance based system, motivated by the self-interest...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9833

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

Is anyone canvassing for Labour this time? How's it going?

It was easy, and seemed very successful, in 2017. Just wondered if there was the same buzz and conviction now as there was then.
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

Hi iibyw, the thing is, if the situations you describe existed in the private sector their management would either (1) sort it out or (2) go bankrupt and be replaced by someone who could sort it out. Therein lies the problem with any state owned activities, if the state (tax payer) will always pay ...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Spot on there. Everyday health care workers get up and go to work and think "I wonder how I can **** up some poor patients life today?" Not all called Shipman or Allitt you know. Ha, yes. Obviously not those that get up and try and do their job. B...
by If it be your will
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:50 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Facts About the NHS
Replies: 91
Views: 1643

Re: Facts About the NHS

The NHS is an embarrassment now. It doesn't seem capable of doing the simplest of things, like treating acutely ill people, without some laughable charade or other.

Which was the plan, of course.
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Where is best place to buy foreign currency?
Replies: 34
Views: 971

Re: Where is best place to buy foreign currency?

So I've had a quick look on Google and asked the question (in varying forms) 'what countries do not accept the US dollar'. What came up was a whole host of answers that said which countries DO accept it but only one I could find that came up with the answer. As soon as I tried to open the page it p...
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Where is best place to buy foreign currency?
Replies: 34
Views: 971

Re: Where is best place to buy foreign currency?

houseboy wrote:What even Russia?

I don't know! Probably, I imagine.

Do they not? Worth knowing if so.
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Where is best place to buy foreign currency?
Replies: 34
Views: 971

Re: Where is best place to buy foreign currency?

Can't comment on Phillipines because I've never been, but everywhere I've been it works out best sticking your card in a local cash machine. Make sure you choose "charge your bank in local currency". If you must, take 50 US dollars to cover you until you find a cash machine. Absolutely eve...
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Yes, I thought it was a Lib Dem increase, but either way more jumping to the BXP than the Conservative (Still Workington:) I've checked the actual tables again. Just over half of those voting Labour in 2017, that are likely to vote, say they will vote Labour again. Of those saying otherwise 16% are...
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think he's talking nationally.

Eh? His previous post was about Lewis Goodhall's view or Workington. When did the switch from Workington to nationally occur??
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Spijed wrote:But if you look at that poll the Conservative vote hasn't gone up much, rather Labour dropping in favour of the Lib Dems.

Are we looking at the same poll? The one that shows the Lib Dem vote falling to 5%?

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/stat ... 6828580865
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Spijed wrote:So who were those people Lewis Goodhall was speaking to who were laughing at the phrase 'Workington man'?

Different people to those Survation were speaking to, clearly.
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

But are they actually voting Tory though? My sympathy with the areas of the country that were destroyed by the Tories would completely disappear if they voted Tory to be perfectly honest. I don't know, but they're saying they will. Whether they actually do remains to be seen. By the way, I'm not su...
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Spijed wrote:But the point is many Labour voters will NEVER vote Tory regardless of whether they want to leave the EU or not.

I know the point! I'm saying that the number holding this view seem to be fairly limited. They really are voting Tory this time. I know some of them personally!
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

But they aren't if they are labour voters. You might well be, with your long term lexit plan, but poll after poll after poll suggests that the majority of Labour voters are remainers* *its obviously skewered on a more local level, but that is why the labour party has reached the decision it has on ...
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

I'd await some polls to confirm that, but if all leavers think like that, then Farage is going to do really well. As no one is predicting that he's going to, it does suggest that isn't the case. That post makes absolutely no sense to me. Leavers are (nearly) all going Tory. Actually, that's an exag...
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

You should read Lewis Goodhall's tweet about Workington man. Basically he thinks the Labour vote is so deep rooted it won't shift enough. I did. That's what started this discussion. But that was just an opinion, one that the only poll data we have - however limited - directly contradicts. Leavers a...
by If it be your will
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

They're not. Survation are fine. The Workington poll is tiny though with a massive amount of respondents 'undecided', and the Daily Mail's representation of it is a joke, but that's not Survation's fault. Hmm. 22% undecided - quite high, yes. Also quite a lot 'would consider' voting Labour, if they...
by If it be your will
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

with genuine respect...its totally accepted in journalistic circles that when polls are commisioned via these chancers , that they are told what results the paper wants....they are utter jokes...the Daily Mail will have commisioned the result here....not the poll. That I really don't know. I'd be s...
by If it be your will
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

thats a bloke...with a twitter account...he'd predict a surge in support gor the Peaky Blinders if you bought him a pint. I'm not saying the poll isn't fixed, anything is possible, but it was conducted on behalf of the Mail, who wrote a story on it. I don't think it's just some bloke making polls u...
by If it be your will
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Lowbankclaret wrote:At this time I think Burnley will return a Tory MP.

As such your correct.

2/1 Ladbrokes.
Edit 9/4 William Hill
by If it be your will
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Looks like Workington man won't vote for Boris. If that's the case what chance have the Tories in other Labour seats? https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192160778754895872 Lewis Goodall @lewis_goodall · 1h 7) Corbyn is unpopular here, huge concern about his views on nuclear industry. 8) none...
by If it be your will
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:10 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fireworks warning
Replies: 28
Views: 1505

Re: Fireworks warning

Foulthrow wrote:Why do they make them with a bang? What's the point? It just disturbs those folk who are trying to get some kip.

Do you know, that's a really good point, one I hadn't thought to question before. It's not as if they're scary or anything is it? Just annoying for others, basically.
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zip Merging
Replies: 83
Views: 2437

Re: Zip Merging

This has been a great thread! I can hardly wait for the next chance I get to do this now!
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zip Merging
Replies: 83
Views: 2437

Re: Zip Merging

The point is that if all those who got over to the left early instead tried to get as close to the front as possible there would be no room to zoom down the right because the void of the right hand lane would not exist. If it be your will (do you like what I did there ;)) to get over to the left as...
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zip Merging
Replies: 83
Views: 2437

Re: Zip Merging

To me it's analogous to fluid mechanics... If you consider a pipe (road) with a fluid (vehicles) flowing through it approaching a narrowing of the pipe (roadworks), it is definitely not quicker to get some of the fluid (vehicles) to stop to one side of the pipe (left lane of road) leaving a void to...
by If it be your will
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zip Merging
Replies: 83
Views: 2437

Re: Zip Merging

Once it becomes obvious there is a queue forming, it's rude to then attempt to gain an unfair, advanced place in that queue. Think of any queue, passport control or whatever, yes, in the mess it's perfectly possible to gain a few places, and sort of half pretend you didn't really mean to, but really...
by If it be your will
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Accuse the other side of what you're doing and then when they accuse you of it it just looks like mud-slinging. It's a pretty simple tactic used to undermine political discourse. Most people with critical minds saw through it though, which is probably why the lover educated voters skewed much more ...
by If it be your will
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Johnson blocks release of a report into interference of the 2016 referendum until after the election. Trump ordered to hand over his tax records but will fight it in the supreme court, also on a day he's been sued by a rape victim for defamation. Two utter scumbags. I don't how people square teachi...
by If it be your will
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

Well I suspect you weren't the target for ads such as: but others clearly were and a lot of money was spent getting these out there. However, my point was more that blocking this report looks quite bad for the Tories. As such, I wonder what is in the report that is worse than the reputational damag...
by If it be your will
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2404
Views: 29353

Re: General Election Is On

You've got to wonder what is in this report on Russian interference that it's better optics to delay publication rather than release it https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/04/no-10-blocks-russia-eu-referendum-report-until-after-election But it's always the same. We voted leave because we'...

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