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by If it be your will
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

On my daily skim up this thread I see we have regressed to the debate about Brexit Party = Racist. I thought we had moved on from Jon Snow’s comment “I have never seen so many white people all in one place” about a Brexit party march, despite the BP having loads of ethnic minority candidates. I’m t...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Lowbankclaret wrote:Join us, we will NOT be lying to anyone.

Unless a genuine Brexit is delivered in the meantime, I predict you'll do a lot better than is generally anticipated. Almost everyone I know personally is in the process of washing their hands of Labour, that's for sure.
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Well, as I said, it’d be helpful if you can point out specifics re Brexit, given we’re not on a doorstep and I’m not angry with you. You have half a point here. Having just read through the Brexit section of the manifesto again, it essentially commits to absolutely nothing does it?? If it was a leg...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Well if you can point out specifically where they haven’t it’d be helpful. Forgive my mirth, but when you're on the doorstep faced with someone angrily claiming Labour lied to them about Brexit in 2017 (and we certainly did), this kind of response will get you absolutely nowhere! I really feel for ...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Labour promised to reject no deal and push for a deal with a customs union. There wasn’t a second referendum and won’t be before the next election where Labour May well change their manifesto. But they’ve been pretty true to their 2017 manifesto in my opinion. If you honestly believe Labour have be...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Can you point out how Labour have gone against their manifesto re Brexit and engaged in sheer thuggery and abuse? Otherwise people might think you’re just making **** up. Perhaps it can all be explained by my misinterpretation of the manifesto, but back in 2017 I knocked on hundreds of doors, put t...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Unfortunately the Speaker of the House of Commons has cast enormous doubt on the principle that those officials who ought to be neutral, actually are. I think it's fine for you or I to make these accusations (and they might well be true - seems that way sometimes), but I absolutely don't think memb...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

There is an interesting spin being put on this by leavers. The High Court did not rule that it was lawful or unlawful they said it wasn’t a question for the Court (not justiciable). The interpretation of constitutional law in Scotland is different, that is why all these cases challenging the gov st...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:Not when it’s government officials talking about government business they don’t.

I think the situation is darkening, on both sides. Both sides are going to have to pull back. If you think it's only darkening on the leave side, I think you're mistaken.
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

In the best tradition of wannabe dictators, Johnson is telling us our elected representatives are undemocratic, and now our judiciary is too. The situation is clearly darkening. I thought proroguing parliament was a step too far, but I still put it - just about - in the 'part of the fun and games' ...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm not certain how much information is required under the Grieve legislation,but many commentators have highlighted issues regarding data protection laws,i sense this will end up in the courts. The Operation Yellowhammer details should be released however. I was actually wondering, it would be qui...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That's hardly unique to Ringo though. As the narrative drifts from sunlit uplands, better deal than we had, we hold all the cards through to there will be adequate food and medicine but shortages of some fresh food it becomes very difficult to spin the benefits. I think we will actually do quite we...
by If it be your will
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Lancasterclaret wrote:Everyone irony filter just blew up.

Everyones.

My sneering filter is looking a bit clogged up and in need of a clean, too.

(edit - Ha. I've just added to it, haven't I?? Sorry everyone. I'll go now.)
by If it be your will
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

How does he get Nigel Farage on-side in that situation, or even members of his own party, such as the likes of Redwood JRM, Bill Cash etc.? I agree. That's what's caused all this. Boris knows full well that unless they pursue a hard Brexit, the threat from Farage means the Tories could be reduced t...
by If it be your will
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

What examples of tit for tat vendettas do you have from this parliament? I just see a democratically elected house holding an undemocratic executive to account. Hm. I don't really want to be seen as the sanctimonious one demanding calm and reasonableness, and don't get me wrong - watching the implo...
by If it be your will
Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2019/09/dominic-cummings-is-humbly-ambushed.html Zelo Street thinks there might be more to this. :) If there's any truth to any of this (my inkling is not, but I don't know), isn't all this going a bit far? The whole House seems to have gone into a sort of vicious, ...
by If it be your will
Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Ha Ha. Ringo's going to love this. Looks like the EU Parliament's Brexit representative is offering Bercow a job.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/stat ... 5798320128

I never really bought into the idea Bercow was manipulating events in Remain's favour. I do a bit now, though!
by If it be your will
Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

On the contrary Momentum are the new Militant tendency. They chew up and spit out MP’s who disagree with them. They are a major reason Labour will be hammered, north and south come any election soon. It is momentum dictating policy, including the suicidal deal with the SNP. Who despite being incomp...
by If it be your will
Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Greenmile wrote:Does anyone remember when iibyw used to be left-wing?

It’s doing funny things to folk, this Brexit nonsense.

Hey, I'm still left wing - hence my desire to leave the EU.
by If it be your will
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Apparently he did want one but was talked out of if by the whips and Keir Starmer. There is talk of him being deselected by Momentum because of that decision. https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/106303/keir-starmer-clashes-jeremy-corbyn He we are a...
by If it be your will
Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Don't know if this has already been posted but a non-aggression pact between the Lib Dems and Conservative rebels is being mooted. Rebel Tories expelled from the party are in talks with the Liberal Democrats about a non-aggression pact. The former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron is helping to broker a de...
by If it be your will
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You know what really boils your **** Brexiteers? That I said I'm right about a lot of things and you completely can't prove that it's not true. Arrogance? Possibly Telling people stuff they don't want to know it acknowledge or accept ? Definitely All I do is read stuff from both sides and draw the ...
by If it be your will
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

A more sensibly negotiated exit would appeal to more people than a no deal exit, which is what is on offer with the Tories. Some within Labour might think remaining is still better than this, but I’m sure those who support Labour and want to leave would appreciate the option to leave in an orderly ...
by If it be your will
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Why should Leave voters have to have won TWO referenda to finally have their view implemented. Whereas Remsin voters would only have to win ONE? It effectively means a leave vote is worth half that of a Remain. Also, all those remoaners who want a 2nd People's Vote, and it's only Remoaners because ...
by If it be your will
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Thornberry is smart enough to understand that no matter who negotiates the exit deal, be it Conservative or Labour, and no matter what option they go for, be it a Norway type arrangement, a Canada plus arrangement, May's deal, no deal...they are all worse than full EU membership. She's of the view,...
by If it be your will
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

But having a negotiated deal is the only way to make another referendum meaningful . IF Labour want to remain then they can only really achieve that through another referendum. If we have another referendum a straight Leave v a Remain vote could leave us where we are now. We need a negotiated deal ...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Hang on. Which part of negotiating a deal, then putting that deal to the a public vote (along with the other options available) is a bad idea? It’s just what a lot of sensible people said should have been the basis of the referendum. You've missed out the "And then campaign against our own neg...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That was quite frankly awful. Even when FB pulled her up she did not understand just how ridiculous the policy was. Thought many times she is far far more dim witted than she seems to think... she does it time and again... THAT is what we want to govern? Thick as pig dooda Thornberry's stupidity is...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

This is the first of a thousand similar interviews Labour will be faced with over the next 6 weeks: https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1169283105368289283 Dear God. How has Labour been reduced to this? We were superb in 2017. Well, twice in 2 days. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-49605...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

So Boris has a way of staying on as Tory leader and fighting an election and still resigning as PM? Very interesting ,though it seems all sides are scouring the statutes for loopholes and in all fairness I can’t blame either side, though the pure desperation of remain may yet scupper their dream It...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Oh I do! I'm completely lost with all of this, but I haven't seen anything like that on my twitter feed, and there are the most devious parliamentarian watchers in the country on it. I'll do some digging I think Start here, and let me know what you find out elsewhere: https://www.theguardian.com/co...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That coalition only has to hold together for long enough to make sure an election happens after Nov 1st. Thats tough no doubt, but its not impossible with what is at stake. Ah, right. Yes. I get you now. What I meant was (in answer to dsr), if Boris resigns, who requests the extension? An early ele...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Surely it would wait till parliament sat again? And Johnson resigning would be another "going down in history for all the wrong reasons" Again, no-one is certain. But the PM has to request the extension. If Boris resigns, he's not PM. Parliament is shut, so another government cannot gain ...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You back Corbyn, and even you think he would lose!?! I'm not sure he would, because it would be blatantly obvious what Johnson was trying to do. With the current parliamentary make-up, surely Corbyn would lose a confidence vote, wouldn't he? He only has 248 MPs, how could he win a confidence vote? ...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:Someone else will be given the chance to form a government.

As I understand it, because parliament is not sitting, that can't happen.

(Please understand this is all in the air, and that nothing is certain, here.)
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:They said that they delayed the election so people could vote in a general election on an extension?

No, they said they turned down a general election because they didn't trust Boris not to set a date till after the 31st October.
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:01 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

What happens if Johnson resigns as PM the day after prorogation? I'll try and offer a sensible answer: Apparently he could suggest to the Queen that the leader of the opposition should become PM, and therefore Corbyn would be the one seeking the extension from the EU. This would then be followed by...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:55 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Please, nobody is stupid enough to put Farage's party into government :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You'd really hate that outcome, wouldn't you?? After 3 years of being told we're too thick to vote, us leavers are capable of anything!
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:Well I don’t remember getting a say in the last two extensions, why suddenly the need for a public poll on this one?

Because that was not the reason Labour gave as to why they delayed the election.
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Here's what I would like to see happen and it's possibly the easiest way to sort things out properly... 1: Johnson goes for the extension (now until Oct 31st) 2: Extention period begins (Oct 31st) 3: No confidence vote which Johnson loses. 4: Unity government formed to deliver second referendum and...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:41 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Just shows that the old saying ‘a week is a long time in politics’ is very true. I suspect all the people upset by prorogueing last week are cheering from the sidelines at today’s decision with the no deal bill about to receive royal ascent and time running out for Johnson to force an election. Thi...
by If it be your will
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:30 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

No problem. I have just clarified the figures. 10 labour MPs voted for Brexit (Dennis Skinner, Frank Field, Gisela Stuart, Graham Stringer, John Cryer, Kate Hoey, Kelvin Hopkins, Roger Godsiff, Ronnie Campbell, John Mann). Of these, 2 voted with May the first time, 3 the second and 5 the third. Of ...
by If it be your will
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

There was a lot of micro polling and analysis by constituency that suggested switching to remain would gain labour more seats. Personally I wasn't 100% convinced by it but there is a chance it may work Perhaps that was the result of the polling. It's easy for someone to say they would be more likel...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You have to remember that the Brexit Party splits the Con vote as well up here at a guess. I know you don't want to believe it, but Lab gains about four more votes to the one it loses if it back remain. I mean, why else has Corbyn changed his tune? Yes, that one was bandied about at the CLPs! Where...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'd be happy with an election on the 1st November, it makes perfect sense. Shelve Brexit for a month or two and then use a GE to break the deadlock. As Brexit will be the only real issue in the GE someone should emerge with a consensus be it deal, no deal or remain or people's vote. I would prefer ...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Honestly No clue Mrs LC is a Conservative voter, but she's not voting for Boris so I suspect she'll be Green/Lib Dem I like Cat Smith but she took my vote in 2017 to back Brexit, so I'll probably have to really think about it. I'm 75% sure I'll be voting Lib Dem I think. This is it: Labour are goin...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Jo Swinson's stated policy is to Remain in the EU even if there is a second referendum that votes Leave again. I know! The whole thing is so polarised. Labour are desperately trying to out-compete this idiocy to be the most 'remain', and the Tories are desperately competing with Farage to be the mo...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Oh of course, I'm 100% behind a GE (but only after a "No Deal" has been prevented) 100% behind anything that gets us out of this to be frank. Just concerned that it results in another hung parliament, which might be a more interesting make up, but would have the same issues. Swing seat. W...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The danger for Labour is they'll be squeezed from all sides in an election,Lib Dems and the Greens will eat into their remain votes in London and the university seats,in Scotland their vulnerable to the SNP and the Lib Dems,and in heavy leave voting seats the BP could well emulate UKIP'S 2015 resul...
by If it be your will
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13965
Views: 256177

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

This is the first of a thousand similar interviews Labour will be faced with over the next 6 weeks:

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 5368289283

Dear God. How has Labour been reduced to this? We were superb in 2017.

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