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by If it be your will
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: C4 Conservative leader debate
Replies: 90
Views: 1813

Re: C4 Conservative leader debate

Interesting question. The big mistake made by Osborne (a devout advocate of it), Cameron (who wasn’t but was led that way by Osborne) and May - they all felt that the way forward for the Tories was to occupy the centre ground. Neither left nor right wing. The bit that Blair occupied. I think Stewar...
by If it be your will
Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: C4 Conservative leader debate
Replies: 90
Views: 1813

Re: C4 Conservative leader debate

I find that strange. We all have our political leanings but it surprises me how many appear unwilling to consider alternatives, to their norm. I'm one of those that will only vote for something they largely agree with. I won't vote with a 'best of a bad lot' approach - you have to actively earn my ...
by If it be your will
Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: C4 Conservative leader debate
Replies: 90
Views: 1813

Re: C4 Conservative leader debate

DCWat wrote:So an election approaches, the manifestos are launched, and even if you felt a Tory manifesto was the best for the country (perhaps an off chance from your political standing) it’d still be “never”?

Yeah. I think so, yeah.
by If it be your will
Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: C4 Conservative leader debate
Replies: 90
Views: 1813

Re: C4 Conservative leader debate

When Tory voters express an opinion on whom should be the Labour leader, I consider it ridiculous. As such, I think Tories should choose the leader they want to represent them. As a Corbyn fan I do ask myself, though, which candidate would definitely beat Corbyn? It's definitely Stewart. (In my view...
by If it be your will
Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: War with Iran
Replies: 103
Views: 4318

Re: War with Iran

There are lots and lots and lots of people who hate the US thinking its impossible to be Iran. Its quite an interesting position to be in, considering that they have more previous for this than the US has for regime change. Weirdly enough, there's actually a Wikipedia page for that very thing! http...
by If it be your will
Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: War with Iran
Replies: 103
Views: 4318

Re: War with Iran

The terrorists best friend has shown his hand again. Heaven help us if he ever becomes PM. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jeremy-corbyn-says-no-credible-065651311.html Do you not want credible evidence before going to war with Iran? Have we really learnt absolutely nothing from 2003, when a bad guess re...
by If it be your will
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris alliance with Brexit Party ....
Replies: 112
Views: 2509

Re: Boris alliance with Brexit Party ....

The reason food bank use is massively up is because food banks are no longer seen as the last resort for the destitute, they are now seen as a way of getting food without having to cut back on other spending. Most people now, if they are short of money and can't afford both their mobile phone contr...
by If it be your will
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris alliance with Brexit Party ....
Replies: 112
Views: 2509

Re: Boris alliance with Brexit Party ....

dsr wrote:No he hasn't. Quote me if you think that's what I have said.

And you're the one saying 'Don't be like Turtle'???
by If it be your will
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris alliance with Brexit Party ....
Replies: 112
Views: 2509

Re: Boris alliance with Brexit Party ....

NHS hasn't collapsed yet but surely you are aware it is on its arse. You can tell me that the ideological austerity imposed by the govt has no correlation with the increased use of food banks if you want but I won't believe you. dsr has said many times that the increased use of food banks is becaus...
by If it be your will
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The next Tory Leader..
Replies: 301
Views: 7334

Re: The next Tory Leader..

Round 1 All 313 Tory MPs voted. There were no spoilt ballot papers. Boris Johnson - 114 Jeremy Hunt - 43 Michael Gove - 37 Dominic Raab - 27 Sajid Javid - 23 Matt Hancock - 20 Mark Harper - 10 Rory Stewart - 19 Esther McVey - 9 Andrea Leadsom - 11 From that it's almost impossible to imagine Boris w...
by If it be your will
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The next Tory Leader..
Replies: 301
Views: 7334

Re: The next Tory Leader..

Maybe he’s not useless at somethings - like galvanising his membership (though even there it remains divided with some pretty shocking stories about these Momentum Nutters) But on the things that matter when you are the leader of the opposition he has been worse than useless. He has presided behind...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Campbell as Labour leader?
Replies: 26
Views: 1878

Re: Campbell as Labour leader?

Imagine a lefty said: "Wouldn't John McDonnell make a great Tory leader? Aye, that McDonnell fellow would give Corbyn a run for his money, that's for sure. And Len McCluskey is far better than that Vince Cable guy, too. Yeah, McDonnell, Corbyn and McCluskey should be the leaders of the three ma...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I agree with that entirely. But I'd be rather more in favour of spending the (whatever it is billion) raising the lower threshold and making up the tax shortfall by increasing the higher rate to 55%. I'd be better off with the first one (and better off with the Boris proposal, incidentally), but hi...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The trouble is with those on the economic left (from my perspective, they are entitled to their view) is that they tend to view anyone with more wealth than them as unworthy of any government assistance. That’s the problem with socialism - it isn’t so much raising the poorer people, it tends to be ...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The next Tory Leader..
Replies: 301
Views: 7334

Re: The next Tory Leader..

Johnson has done well to get everyone to forget about him taking cocaine https://www.standard.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-how-i-took-cocaine-and-cannabis-in-my-teens-6678599.html I'm not sure who's running his campaign but they're doing a good job of keeping him and the press under control. I'm of the...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I’m not a Tory, I’m a social democrat by heart. This is about giving people hope. And yes, it does have to be matched with other policies to address the poorer end, like addressing universal credit. I do sincerely like your contributions, because they are considered, even though I nearly always dis...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

A few details on tax and NI rates - from HMRC website. Personal Allowance £12,500, Basic Rates limit £37,500 - Add the 2 together and Higher Rate starts at £50,000. And, alongside these changes National Insurance Upper Earnings Limit (and Profit Limit) are "aligned to higher rate threshold&quo...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Ok - didn’t realise you meant the “lowest” earners - that’s presumably a cohort of part time workers. It would still help what most of us regard as low earners - if you are on minimum wage and working 35 hours a week you are still a low earner It’s not about one single policy to help the low / lowe...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Anyone working 30 hours a week on the National Living Wage will earn over £12,500 per year. Your stats must include a lot of part-time workers, many of whom don't want full-time work anyway. But you do agree with this statement, do you not: increasing personal allowance helps everyone except the lo...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

No - it helps everyone INCLUDING the lowest earners. Minimum wage in a full time job takes most people over the personal allowance rate. To me it’s unfair that anybody who is working 35 hours a week at just over £8 an hour should be taxed at all (in addition to also paying national insurance). Incr...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Lancasterclaret wrote:Personal allowance increases a Lib Dem policy, and if you really want to help the lower end of society, that is where you do it.

Does that help someone with an income of 12,500 or less?

Personal allowance increases help everyone except the lowest earners.
by If it be your will
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Me too, I would have in place a qualifying minimum intellect for a start. If the threshold for the 2016 referendum had been that you needed a minimum IQ of just 50 to vote then not one single person in the entire country would have voted to leave. I reckon had they made the cut-off 140, leave would...
by If it be your will
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The maternity rights that the UK blocked were significantly better than what we currently have in terms of pay. I think the period was similar to what the UK gives but it was at full pay rather than statutory (which is considerably lower). I've just looked it up, it was the Pregnant Workers Directi...
by If it be your will
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:12 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I didn't comment on whether it was a good or a bad thing but it was definitely something that the EU pushed through whilst the UK resisted it strongly which is what the question is. I'm no expert so I'm not really aware generally of which rights came from the EU and which from the UK. I know that a...
by If it be your will
Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I hate to resurrect the old bogeyman, but I think you're engaging in a bit of project fear (if only for yourself). The central premise of what you're saying is that the EU enacts regulations and laws that negatively affect member states and those member states just have to sit back and take it. Tha...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

One that springs to mind. The UK really didn't want a statutory minimum number of holiday days and took the EU to court to try and prevent it. Yet good old Blighty, all on it's own, without any help from the EU, using its own democracy, managed to get British workers 8 more days of holiday than the...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I agree the EU had nothing to do with closers. As I have repeated ad infinitum it is where the EU is planning to go that makes me want a relationship where our nation chooses our path, at times it would be with the EU but equally to say no.... without having to beg for opt outs. As I’ve also said i...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You are wrong (or at best favouring the"leaflet" approach) Since 1973 there have been 11 referendums in the UK of which only 3 have been UK wide. The result of a referendum is legally binding if it is written into the Act - section 8 Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Act 2011...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Caballo wrote:Is it still the case that Labour under Tony Blair, then subsequently Gordon Brown are responsible for more privatisation of the NHS then any Tory government before or after them?

Oh, absolutely no question. But I'm not having it that Corbyn is anything like Blair or Brown!
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

LeuvenClaret wrote:The referendum was not mandatory to enact. They are not constitutionally binding. They can be, but this wasn’t.

This is precisely the reasoned approach that gets Farage (or worse) into office.
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It is! It really is! I cannot for the life of me understand why remainers use the NHS to back their claims for remaining in the EU. It makes no sense to me. I should be honest here, and help the remainers out. There does appear, at least for now, a legal loophole in the EU Public Procurement Rules ...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Personally I can see remaining in Europe is the surest way of making sure the NHS is dismantled. Like many of our institutions it does not fit the EU model. While I have no idea of how much the NHS is charged for drugs I do know that at least two doctors have asked me to buy Paracetamol from the su...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Depends on what you describe as a health contract to be honest ITBYW Support roles (supply, haulage, distribution that kind of thing) - no problem with that being outsourced Actual health roles (A & E, hospitals etc) - not a fan Actually this is the bit I'm not sure on, why can't US health comp...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

And there are a lot of people (inc me) who have serious doubts that any "for profit" company can be trusted with healthcare. So you'd be in favour of repealing The Health and Social Care Act 2012, then, the one brought in by the Lib Dems? The act that compels NHS trusts to farm out servic...
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Here's a good one for all those voting Lib Dems hoping to save the NHS from privatisation. TTIP is the real threat to the NHS as we know it, and Vince is all in:

https://www.libdemvoice.org/liblink-vin ... 50160.html
by If it be your will
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Spijed wrote:Ringo, in your opinion, would private healthcare be a price worth paying for leaving the EU?

If he had any sense he would say the two are completely unrelated, and that you might as well ask Would nuclear armageddon be a price worth paying to remain in the EU?
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I never said vote though, but you would be willing to vote for a Brexit led by Farage, if Corbyn hasn't got a chance of winning. Nope. Not even then. If Corbyn is still leader of Labour, whatever his chances, I'd vote Labour. If, I don't know, David Miliband or Liz Kendall were in charge, well, the...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

But the fundamental point you made first is that you are willing to risk a right wing government so you eventually might get a left wing one, and that you regard a right wing Brexit as the gateway to a left wing government that can do all you want it to do. Just so we're absolutely categorically cl...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Pretty much! I know we are going over old ground here but the chances of a lexit are not enough to compensate the real risk of a much more right wing version of Brexit, especially when you consider the amount of MPs backing it. But the whole point of my last 15-odd posts is that the EU does not pro...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

So you are saying that there are no left governments in the EU? Or that the ones that are they are not allowed to pursue left wing policies? I'm not 100% sure where you are driving at here to be honest There are no EU government's running a fully state owned monopoly railway system There are no EU ...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I think people are looking too closely at the detail of the NHS. The point of the NHS is that treatment is free and available for everyone. It is not a necessary part of the ethos that the manner of supplying this must be with employees paid directly by the State and not through private companies. ...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I would think that most of the concerns around the NHS come from the TTIP negotiations. There were a lot of concerns that this would open up the NHS to part privatisation when it was being discussed https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/22/ttip-deal-real-serious-risk-nhs-leading-qc . It's f...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I keep scanning around other free trade agreements (ASEAN, Mercosur, NAFTA...) and I can't obviously see any that have deeply intrusive conditions on internal matters. They're all, on the face of it, general agreements to reduce cross-border hurdles to trade. I can't fathom why, all of a sudden, ent...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm pretty sure it's actually 28 days in the EU (although public holidays can make up those 28 days, hence the 20 in the UK). I got it from here. If it's wrong, I apologise on their behalf https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-and-paid-holidays/ edit - on closer inspection it looks like it is actually '4 ...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I imagine the issue would be more UK firms struggling to compete against the US and pushing for an abolition of the minimum wage. But there are countries in our own trading block with absolutely no minimum wage (compared to a very low US one). Presumably the same pressure to remove minimum wage leg...
by If it be your will
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I spend a lot of time working in the US and one of the main differences from talking to people there is holidays. There is no statutory minimum number of days and no requirement to pay salary for public holidays. It's pretty common for people to only take a dozen days off over the course of a year....
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

How likely is it, do you think, that before the USA will agree free trade so they can sell us more goods, they will insist on the UK abolishing the minimum wage so that our goods can compete better with theirs? I would have thought that it was in the US's interest that workers here get paid more th...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Yep. the EU doesn't have things like a minimum wage requirement. But we do. And since we can't rely on the EU's negotiating power we're going to have to make up the negotiation deficit elsewhere, which means things like the minimum wage becomes negotiable. And what makes you think US workers' right...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Yes. With Corbyn it'd be very different, briefly. But there's no way he'll be allowed to succeed and eventually we will get our far-right, ultra-capitalist government. Or we can remain in the EU and get it anyway. but thank **** for Gina Miller and her court case that says the Prime Minister cannot...
by If it be your will
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 9536
Views: 125213

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I don't think they would just want full access. I think they would want it to be abolished in its current form and have us more to an insurance based healthcare system. And they can just wait. They don't need a trade deal. In fact by refusing to negotiate with us it would make it much more likely t...

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