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by Royboyclaret
Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

As far as I am aware we are the only club in the Premier League that has not opened/extended a credit facility, factored against future earnings or taken out a secured loan in recent months Just recently, in a mutual arrangement with the bank, our arranged overdraft account was closed due to lack o...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Meanwhile Leicester show the value of a high Credit rating ast they facto TV income through to January 2022 to Macquarie (the Antipodean Vampires as they are also known apparently) https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1293484101555585024 This kind of financial transaction, gambling against futu...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Look like we will receive our full amount of TV money with no rebates due this season. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/liverpool-get-175m-payout-as-premier-league-clubs-agree-to-delay-cuts-to-prize-money-vkg3h7qf9?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1597168086 Interesting developm...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@SwissRamble estimates earnings from this seasons Champions League to date - as the last 8 tournament in Lisbon comes later this week https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1292719783914373120 Some startling numbers there in the Champions League in terms of comparisons with the previous cycle. The ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 706
Views: 79485

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Apologies if already posted. 62C5E40D-0468-4EC8-9CDA-FB16E153EFB4.jpeg Dave Wilson is the one I would have struggled to identify. Seems he played just a handful of games for us that relegation season and a similar number the previous season. Some familiar faces missing though from that '70/''71 pho...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24143

Re: Investor

My back of a fag packet calculation was valuing the whole club at about £250m and that's the whole thing including players, the ground, etc. The £80m was just Mike Garlick's share (as our biggest shareholder) although I'm not convinced I've got his shareholding correct. My understanding is that sin...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Clearly the potential £17.3m broadcast rebate will cause some pain in Burnley's boardroom, but just to emphasise how favourably we should come out of this situation in relation to other PL clubs, let's do a direct comparison with say Arsenal. We lose the £17.3m and say another £1.2m in matchday-rec...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Eddie gone
Replies: 244
Views: 10362

Re: Eddie gone

To emphasise the dramatic financial movement at Bournemouth in recent times, their Wage bill in League One in 2012 was £4.4m and the equivalent figure for 2019 was £112.5m.

Burnley figures for the same years were £17.1m and £86.6m.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Eddie gone
Replies: 244
Views: 10362

Re: Eddie gone

Id be interested to see the Bournemouth wage bill for 14/15 and how much their team cost in transfer fees compared to the wage bill and transfer costs of Burnley's title winning season in 15/16 Might be wrong but I would bet there wouldnt be too much difference between the two In terms of comparabl...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Swiss ramble thinks we will get 16m more than last year, if we finish 9th, each place is now worth 2.7m after the rebate. https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1286547672413933569?s=19 As it transpired that figure was £13.3m (10th from 15th) and we shared with Southampton the distinction of gainin...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The full cost-per-point league table
Replies: 18
Views: 1517

Re: The full cost-per-point league table

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:46 pm
Don’t even bother starting your obsession is pathetic
Wow.........It's quite simple, if you have no interest in financial threads, just keep away.

Lot's of other posters are very interested.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Eddie gone
Replies: 244
Views: 10362

Re: Eddie gone

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:35 pm
The myth has been potted eh?

The mantra of you score 3, we’ll score 2 failed to survive this season. One of the most insipid managers in the league. Very much style over substance.... him and Gilet Jase.
Very harsh.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Eddie gone
Replies: 244
Views: 10362

Re: Eddie gone

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:13 pm
Maybe both parties just think the relationship has run it’s course, and it’d be hard to disagree.
Spot on.......25 years as player and manager with one club is more than enough.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The full cost-per-point league table
Replies: 18
Views: 1517

Re: The full cost-per-point league table

https://theathletic.com/1955655/2020/07/28/premier-league-value-for-money-table/?amp#click=https://t.co/aUtJZQ8W2f This is what I read other day...see bottom of page Nothing too wrong with that table, ewanrob, except once again they are comparing detail from different years. The Wages are '18/'19 w...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The full cost-per-point league table
Replies: 18
Views: 1517

Re: The full cost-per-point league table

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:46 pm
Who gives a ****, always annoyed me the obsession with wages!
Oh dear!!
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The full cost-per-point league table
Replies: 18
Views: 1517

Re: The full cost-per-point league table

Where's the OP when you need him ??

Even the Burnley figure is nonsense. That figure has our total Wage bill at £37m when we know the previous year was £86.6m
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The full cost-per-point league table
Replies: 18
Views: 1517

Re: The full cost-per-point league table

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:21 pm
It is - it’s their’s from the Championship
Not sure even that makes any sense......their Wage bill to Jun'19 was £40.7m and they accumulated 89 points.

They had 54 this season, the same as ours.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The full cost-per-point league table
Replies: 18
Views: 1517

Re: The full cost-per-point league table

Impossible for anyone to have the level of information required to arrive at those figures.

Can only be informed guesses at best and will remain so until clubs' financial accounts are available early next year.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who is our best ever centre forward
Replies: 106
Views: 2483

Re: Who is our best ever centre forward

George Beel
Tommy Lawton
Ray Pointer
Willie Irvine.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

We do own the training ground as it is but it's very limited which is why a new one is being built. Building something like that in the Bournemouth cornubation is extremely challenging in a way that isn't in many other parts of the country as there's simply no land available. The same applies to th...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saudi's back out of Newcastle take over
Replies: 34
Views: 1880

Re: Saudi's back out of Newcastle take over

Who in their right mind would invest in football at the minute with all that's going on? I mean, it's not very profitable at the best of times. Well, that aspect was always going to play a part in the outcome, but the massively complex issues between the Saudi State and PIF meant a positive resolut...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Saudi's back out of Newcastle take over
Replies: 34
Views: 1880

Re: Saudi's back out of Newcastle take over

A predictable and, in the end, inevitable conclusion to this drawn out saga. An awful lot of people will be mightily relieved that the decision has been taken out of their hands. However, the weeping and wailing will be heard from the North East for some time to come. Eventually they will realise th...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:34 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 706
Views: 79485

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:38 am
2-0 up in the first five minutes
https://www.uptheclarets.com/fixtures-r ... 66-results
A Willie Irvine hat-trick in the end, and he still ended up on the losing side!
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who is our highest wage earner?
Replies: 34
Views: 2483

Re: Who is our highest wage earner?

Just imagine earning that amount of money every week for playing football. What would you even do with it all? Mind boggling. But that's whats required for simply being part of the Premier League, Wile. Remember we are paid around £120 million each season by the PL and they expect that Income to be...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who is our highest wage earner?
Replies: 34
Views: 2483

Re: Who is our highest wage earner?

Dyche is the top earner, followed by Wood and Mee who are thought to be on the same wage The OP did ask specifically for the highest paid player. I think it's pretty common knowledge that Sean Dyche is the highest paid employee on the books, although his salary is often exaggerated particularly on ...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who is our highest wage earner?
Replies: 34
Views: 2483

Re: Who is our highest wage earner?

Been debated before on the MMT thread, but the truth is that no-one outside of the Club has that level of information. We know all the historical Wage bills in total and the fact that the players' wages are very highly incentivised in terms of bonuses, but that's about it. The Wage bill suggests tha...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 706
Views: 79485

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Also, just to add, I saw a remarkable photo the other day of rival captains on the day Tommy Boyle for us and Robert Ferguson for Liverpool being introduced to King George V before the game. It was the first time the reigning monarch had been present at football's most important day.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 706
Views: 79485

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

What a fantastic photo that is! Seems to be some conjecture as to the colours worn by Burnley and Liverpool in that Final. Let's clear that one up, we wore Claret & Blue and they wore red, even if there was a slight clash. No doubt about the quality of the photo though, or the result as we won the ...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Bournemouth's finances look scary when laid out like that. People on here have the nerve to complain about our transfer policy etc but it's a damned sight better than Bournemouths. Some scary numbers indeed, Sid, none moreso than the Net £76m in transfer fees owed at the end of the financial year. ...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Chester, the links in the previous two posts appear to be the same......Can we see the link for Sporting Intelligence?

Cheers.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24143

Re: Investor

Change is inevitable. Nothing lasts forever and we now have three Board members who are in their 70's, one in particular who has been on the Board for 34 years since 1986. We have to hope that both Mike G and John B have the desire to stick around for some time yet and hopefully the knowledge gained...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Looks like we may see the biggest increase, as compared with last season, of any club in the League Clearly the potential £17.3m broadcast rebate will cause some pain in Burnley's boardroom, but just to emphasise how favourably we should come out of this situation in relation to other PL clubs, let...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Swiss ramble thinks we will get 16m more than last year, if we finish 9th, each place is now worth 2.7m after the rebate. https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1286547672413933569?s=19 All of which as outlined on pureclaret's "Premier League position money" thread some ten days ago (if someone wou...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

For the first time Vysyble have made their "We're so rich it's unbelievable" report available for free (previous editions cost several hundred pounds) The 5th edition was released last night and is available here https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtukq9pa6u258ti/WSRIU%205th%20edition.pdf?dl=0 A fascinating...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:39 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Venky chicken.
Replies: 49
Views: 2873

Re: Venky chicken.

Out of interest, what sort of profit/loss are they making by languishing mid-table in the Championship? 15 points from the bottom 3, which could be less next season (looking at it from a glass half full perspective) Last financial year a Loss of £18.2m which is about the norm for them and basically...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: English football's best front two pairing
Replies: 36
Views: 1037

Re: English football's best front two pairing

Not sure who they played for but a certain Ray Pointer and Jimmy Robson scored 124 goals (66 & 58) in three seasons '59/'60 to '61/'62.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?
Replies: 59
Views: 1454

Re: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?

It was there for a good number of years after I started going but had not, in that time, been used in terms of charging extra. But it was an extra penny or two to go in there at a time in the 1950s. Think Dad paid 3d extra for me. Some very special and vivid memories of big moments in games in the ...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?
Replies: 59
Views: 1454

Re: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?

Stan Tastic wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:38 pm
Is there an enclosure at the front of the Longside?
Indeed there is, the turnstiles are just about visible in the group photo.

When I was a tiddler my Dad paid the extra for me get my "special place" against the perimeter wall.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Thanks Roy, that's very kind of you! The photo is a player called Sam Chedgzoy who played for us before and after WWI. Regarding broadcasting revenues if next season is played behind closed doors I would expect considerable discounts to be negotiated (even though domestic viewing figures would incr...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?
Replies: 59
Views: 1454

Re: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?

mdd2 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:47 pm
Jimmy Robson?
Aye, Robbo it is. He must have nipped to the barber's shop.

Brian Pilkington had left for Bolton some 5 months before that photo was taken and a couple of weeks prior to the second leg of the European Cup match in Hamburg.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?
Replies: 59
Views: 1454

Re: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?

Stan Tastic wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:51 am
i might be misremembering this, but didn't Harry Thomson save every penalty taken against him one season, until the last game, when Alan Ball put one past him for Everton.
Harry certainly had a long run of saving penalties topped off by the one away at Napoli where he broke their hearts.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?
Replies: 59
Views: 1454

Re: Burnley Reserves League Winners 61/62 - can someone name the players in the photo?

Definitely Peter Simpson behind the Central League trophy. Top lad was Peter, he came down from Sunderland as a teenager and stayed in digs on Ingham Street in Padiham, just a stone's throw from training at Gawthorpe. Stayed here for six years before moving on to Bury. David Crompton is the missing ...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Owt for nowt
Replies: 187
Views: 4934

Re: Owt for nowt

Hes not happy, that's clear...and our progress after the lockdown has only added to his stock. Leeds are offering Bielsa 8million if reports are to be believed...that's double SD wage, will our club offer similar in the hope he signs again ? No, not the slightest chance. In fact the current £3.75m ...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 4927
Views: 361296

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Luke Edwards....another one removed from the Christmas card list.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Shirts of the past
Replies: 28
Views: 1229

Re: Shirts of the past

Tommy Boyle in the iconic shirt with the blue ring round the neck. Captain of both the 1920/21 side that won the First Division Championship and the FA Cup Final in 1914.

Be a bit special if we adopted that shirt for next season, the centenary of that Championship win.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: Seventh heaven on the road
Replies: 15
Views: 619

Re: REPORT: Seventh heaven on the road

Correct, as usual, Royboy. Thompson kept a clean sheet in a 2-0 win over Aston Villa.17-11-54 In which case there's a lot riding on next week's game for Nick Pope. Jimmy Strong kept 16 clean sheets for us in the 1947/48 season. Even the great Jerry Dawson, I think, kept only 15 in the Champions sea...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: Seventh heaven on the road
Replies: 15
Views: 619

Re: REPORT: Seventh heaven on the road

Seven away wins and 26 away points, evidence of another exceptional season.

Not sure about the Colin McDonald stat though, think Des Thompson may have been in goal for one of those 16 clean sheets in the 1954/55 season...?
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Owt for nowt
Replies: 187
Views: 4934

Re: Owt for nowt

I’m not certain about it because I don’t study the club accounts. But I’m pretty sure that he doesn’t take a salary or dividend. He most certainly does not, nor do any of the other six directors. In fact, on the contrary, when the club were desperate for finance just a few seasons ago they were fir...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Premier league position money
Replies: 23
Views: 1671

Re: Premier league position money

Thanks Roy, much appreciated. Where would that leave us in terms of where we might have been without Covid 19 rearing its ugly head ? Obviously season ticket refunds and no match day income at all for 4 games have to be factored in, but could it be that things might not be as bleak financially this...