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by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Have to say, and not for the first time, that Swiss Ramble take an unbelievably in-depth analysis of Chelsea's financial situation. The best part for us is where he makes comparison with all other PL clubs and particularly interesting is a look and breakdown of our Broadcast Income for the '18/'19 s...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@SwissRamble with his usual excellent analysis - Chelsea's financial results 2018/19 https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1215183113942437888 Some astronomical figures there at Chelsea. When perusing other PL clubs' accounts always find it interesting to make comparison with Burnley's wherever po...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:31 pm
the last "charge" held over Burnley has been released as we never used the facility

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 3242710017
And not before time.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

on Tuesday Everton have their annual shareholders meeting, where their financial plight will be revealed in all it's PR wrapped glory - it is the first time they have done so without prior release of the results to the small shareholders - it could get interesting/heated though many are prepared fo...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

following his recent spate of animated graphics (there is another I will link shortly) @KieranMaguire has published a study on wages in the Premier League up to the last set of Financial results https://www.whataretheodds.co.uk/premier-league-wages/ Burnley at £258m ?? I have Burnley's cumulative P...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bob Lord Stand
Replies: 20
Views: 2211

Re: Bob Lord Stand

I'm sure I remember the Wrexham game as being 3 sides still. That was a remarkable day winning 1-0 in front of a packed Turf of 35,500 fans, including 12,000 from Wrexham. The day that Bob Lord banned the cameras and for many years there seemed to be no footage from the game. Then on 15th January 2...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bob Lord Stand
Replies: 20
Views: 2211

Re: Bob Lord Stand

First game the Bob Lord stand was open was the 5th Round FA Cup tie against Villa on 16th Feb.'74.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return
Replies: 98
Views: 4503

Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Blackrod wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:32 pm
I wonder how much of the 110 k week we paid. Crazy for what he offered on the pitch and the pathetic off the field antics.
The average weekly wage at Chelsea last season was in excess of £130k.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Going on the Turf - 1920
Replies: 56
Views: 2469

Re: Going on the Turf - 1920

I love this sort of stuff. Are there any good sites that have collections of old Burnley pictures? Worth noting that we lost 6 games though that season though. Dyche’s fault. Check back on this site, bud, about 6 months ago. The thread was Burnley fc in pictures, think started by Steve1956. One of ...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Going on the Turf - 1920
Replies: 56
Views: 2469

Re: Going on the Turf - 1920

Looks to be a nice sunny day, perhaps it was the first game of the season against Bradford City. We lost 1-4 but it was the only defeat at home all season. Dad often talked about that game as being one the first he could remember as a little 'un. Lost the next two away and then went on a 30 game unb...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Going on the Turf - 1920
Replies: 56
Views: 2469

Re: Going on the Turf - 1920

Good stuff, Mike.

What a team......what a season.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"
Replies: 168
Views: 7372

Re: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"

In the capital and reserves Last reported figure in the P&L account was £60.6m with total shareholders funds of £76.7m. That figure is on the Balance Sheet, not the P&L, and the £60.666m is within the Total Shareholders Funds of £76.684m. As posted earlier the Cash at Bank and in hand was £34.412m....
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"
Replies: 168
Views: 7372

Re: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"

Over the last 6 years up to June 2018, turnover has been just over £400m, operating profit (before depreciation) just over £100m, and net spend on players about £55m. We are left with less than £50m spare cash, a fair chunk of which has been spent on Gawthorpe, and £10m more on repaying the directo...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Things not well at the club?
Replies: 104
Views: 5802

Re: Things not well at the club?

I’ve said before that, to me, the chase and capture of the Premier League has been better than trying to stop it escaping again. Without outside investment we are trapped in a paradox. We can’t compete in the Premier League, even with the PL Money, but we also can’t compete in the Championship over...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Things not well at the club?
Replies: 104
Views: 5802

Re: Things not well at the club?

The £80m is all of the clubs wages - players, manager, coaches, sports scientists, and all other staff. I thought we employed around 100 staff in total - might be wrong with that but I know the non playing staff has increased a lot since we have been in this league. I’d say in terms of playing staf...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

For anyone who wondered we were on 280 Mill just below Leeds and Portsmouth it is scary how much some of the Clubs in this list have paid out baring in mind how long the likes of Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan and Portsmouth have been out of the prem. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Found this very interesting wages paid from 1992/93 to 2018/19 from the excellent Kieran Maguire again. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1190706/ Fascinating graphs and might be of interest to some to place those Wage bills for Burnley alongside the Net Profit for the same years in Ches...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

For balance here is another animated graphic looking at pre-tax profit in the history of the Premier League https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1213920989794443264 Brilliant to see that 'little old Burnley' appear at 4th in the list of Clubs earning pre-tax Profits in the Premier League. I thi...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Are Everton about to get another Billionaire investor? - there is no doubt that they need the money and the relationship with the current major shareholder is very well established https://www.ft.com/content/396c358c-2d75-11ea-bc77-65e4aa615551 Be intriguing to take a serious look at these potentia...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation
Replies: 244
Views: 8363

Re: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation

if they really want to "stretch the structure" sell up and let people with the capability move in. Wile........That's the reason I offered an open-mind solution to your similar thread of a few days ago. To avoid repetition, perhaps a link to that thread might now be appropriate. To be fair to Crick...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation
Replies: 244
Views: 8363

Re: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation

David Brookes, Dan James, James Maddison for example, I'd never heard of them before there transfers and subsequent appearances....we just dont tap into the lower leagues like others do. I'm still shocked at our wage bill given the players we have, we have done exceptionally well there is no doubti...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..
Replies: 4
Views: 234

Re: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..

Thinking about it more, there really should be a film made about that period at Burnley Football Club and in particular captain Tommy Boyle. The problem is anyone not familiar with our history would not believe the facts........Tommy captains the side to win the FA Cup in 1914, then goes off to figh...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points
Replies: 4
Views: 370

Re: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points

Interesting reference to Colin McDonald in the linked article having played an 'A' team game at Gawthorpe as part of his long term recovery from a broken leg. There was a massive buzz around town that his return to the first team was imminent, but ever so sadly it never happened. Colin struggled on ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points
Replies: 4
Views: 370

Re: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points

Quite possibly this was the performance of the season so far, 5-2 away at West Ham, a team that had won their previous seven home games on the bounce. Plenty of Burnley fans there to see it too. No Jimmy Mac but Ian Lawson, as ever, proved a worthy deputy and scored a couple. Mac, by his own admissi...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..
Replies: 4
Views: 234

Re: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..

1920/21, a truly remarkable season. Starts with three defeats on the bounce, then the following 30 games undefeated and finally Champions of Division One. Halley, Boyle & Watson, household names. Bob Kelly 20 goals, Joe Anderson 25 goals. Even 7 goals from man mountain and captain Tommy Boyle at cen...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.
Replies: 53
Views: 2369

Re: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.

believe me, I am a dullard when it comes to these (and probably most other) topics, but if there is a plan of action, or a next phase, all well and good. I would rather we remained strong, but with a local link too. But I can't see how we can compete or improve that much with a colossal wage bill a...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.
Replies: 53
Views: 2369

Re: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.

Very reasonable and understandable sentiments from the OP, but the reality is it's not going to happen. There have been two serious attempts and other tentative enquiries but all have been resisted by the current seven Board members. Easy to understand their concerns and suspicions particularly when...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brighton
Replies: 93
Views: 2995

Re: Brighton

Or just post information that everyone has access to :roll: Not aware of the source of the information of the table shown in Joey13's post but the comparison indicated of Brighton and Burnley is wholly inaccurate. They appear to have used data from the accounts of both Clubs to financial year ended...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Name the Ground
Replies: 37
Views: 1822

Re: Name the Ground

Peel Park, Accy.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is the Dyche/ Burnley
Replies: 187
Views: 6645

Re: Is the Dyche/ Burnley

If you think Burnley being in the premier league and being competitive there is mediocrity, then you need to recalibrate the scales that you are using. Realistically, where do you think a club like Burnley would normalise in the 91 clubs in the league, all being equal...... Top 6? 6th - 10th? 11th ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Boxing Day win for Burnley at Old Trafford
Replies: 5
Views: 276

Re: ARTICLE: Boxing Day win for Burnley at Old Trafford

"The win took Burnley back to third in the table, above rivals Blackburn Rovers (who played twice in two days against Blackpool) on goal average." Twice in two days! Puts the alleged fixture congestion into perspective Jimmy Mac often made reference to the difficult fixture list over Christmas. In ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Boxing Day win for Burnley at Old Trafford
Replies: 5
Views: 276

Re: ARTICLE: Boxing Day win for Burnley at Old Trafford

My brother went with my dad to this one on the old 'Ribble' X23 from Haslingden. Sadly, I wasn't allowed to go. Our last ever victory at Old Trafford to now? A lot of 'almosts' since and I think your use of 'United came back strongly in the second half' says a lot about our fortunes there. Must als...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sheff Utd away record
Replies: 33
Views: 1753

Re: Sheff Utd away record

This is our first season after promotion in 1947. Five wins and five draws in first ten and then defeat at Preston on Boxing Day. https://www.uptheclarets.com/fixtures-results/194748-results Two amazing seasons in our history immediately after the end of WW2. 1946/47 we were unlucky beaten finalist...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: That Charlie Taylor Stat
Replies: 45
Views: 2635

Re: That Charlie Taylor Stat

Down_Rover wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:05 pm
I will never forget his strike at Anfield.

Good as he was attacking he came nowhere near Wardy as a defender. Ward had that knack of arriving in the right place at the right time
September 1974, an absolute screamer that silenced the Kop, was also the only goal in a 1-0 away win.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Championship teams we have never signed a player from
Replies: 27
Views: 717

Re: Championship teams we have never signed a player from

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:13 am
Don’t think we’ve ever made a permanent signing from Millwall
Hugh Robertson in 1895. With us for two seasons scoring 17 goals in 46 appearances before leaving for Lincoln in 1897.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: That Charlie Taylor Stat
Replies: 45
Views: 2635

Re: That Charlie Taylor Stat

Harold Mather weren't bad. Not many will be familiar with that name, Bullabill. Mather was a more than decent left-back for us and made 329 appearances but strangely never scored. Alex Elder played just one game more at 330 and scored 17 times. Much as I rated Elder, for me Keith Newton was the mas...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat
Replies: 20
Views: 1249

Re: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat

I recall that West Ham used.to play their midweek games on Monday nights so is that how they were top for.a.couple.of days? Really intrigued with this now. West Ham did play and win their game on Monday 31st August that week as did Blackburn Rovers who therefore retained their place at the top of t...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat
Replies: 20
Views: 1249

Re: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:09 pm
We’ve had six so far - Burnley, Spurs, Wolves, West Ham, Preston & Blackburn
West Ham for a couple of days?.........Don't recall any more to the end of the season.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat
Replies: 20
Views: 1249

Re: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:50 pm
How many different teams occupied the number one spot during the course of the season?
Five.........Blackburn (briefly), Tottenham (for the bulk of the season), Preston (briefly), Wolves (mid-April for two weeks), BURNLEY (very last day 2nd May 1960).
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Villa looking at fines?
Replies: 31
Views: 2319

Re: Villa looking at fines?

Over the last 4 years, our accounts have been made public between 3rd and 11th April in the year following the accounting year end of 30th June ... I have seen nothing that makes me think this year will be any different .. Absolutely, Clarets4me, which was the point I was making higher up the threa...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Villa looking at fines?
Replies: 31
Views: 2319

Re: Villa looking at fines?

Premier League rules are that the accounts have to be submitted by (I think) end of the calendar year. My understanding is that the critical date is Feb29th next year, as their accounts do not have to be made public at Companies House until that date at the latest. Villa posted a Loss of £36m in '1...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

There is speculation that Aston Villa could become the 1st Premier League club to breach FFP https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7807011/Aston-Villa-threat-FFP-rules-Dean-Smith-possibly-forced-fire-sale.html I am not so sure, anyone who has followed this thread regularly over the las...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat
Replies: 20
Views: 1249

Re: ARTICLE: Mecca move into town as Clarets suffer shock defeat

Still that lack of consistency in both results and performances. Decent as Billy White was as deputy, we certainly missed Jimmy Mac when he was unavailable. Note also that Billy Bremner was a scorer against our Reserve side on the same day, perhaps only 17 years old at that time.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Villa looking at fines?
Replies: 31
Views: 2319

Re: Villa looking at fines?

Burnley's accounts are finalised and sent to the Premier League much earlier than March - I think the deadline is December. They don't make them public until March, but they are ready before then. Aware that Burnley's accounts are completed and audited before the calendar year end but whether they ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Villa looking at fines?
Replies: 31
Views: 2319

Re: Villa looking at fines?

The Premier League rules for Profit & Sustainability are quite straightforward. The calculation is based over three seasons, two previous and an estimate for the current season. A Loss of £105m is allowed over those three seasons so long as the owners inject sufficient equity to cover the Loss. If n...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Stokes 2018/19 financial results show why they are so fearful of FFP/P&S - @KieranMaguire gives us the highlights https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1207216018105470976 Stoke City, the club that has effectively dropped off the edge of a cliff. From a team that in 2015 was beating Liverpool 6-...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Harry Potts
Replies: 4
Views: 854

Re: Harry Potts

That's an interesting one. Harry became a professional at the Turf in 1937 but was unable to make the breakthrough into Second Division football before War broke out in 1939. He actually made his league debut for us on the opening day of the 1946/47 season. So clearly permission must have been given...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Harry Potts
Replies: 4
Views: 854

Re: Harry Potts

That's an intersesting one. Harry became a professional at the Turf in 1937 but was unable to make the breakthrough into Second Division football before War broke out in 1939. He actually made his league debut for us on the opening day of the 1946/47 season. So clearly permission must have been give...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

The gap in tv earnings between top and bottom in la liga from its distribution narrowed slightly between top and bottom last season - but the difference to the Premier League remains stark with Top earning more than Liverpool did while bottom earned substantially less than half of that of Huddersfi...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2758
Views: 300518

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Rotherham show what good fiscal management can be done in the Championship (and the inevitable pitfall for a club of their size - relegation) in their 2018/19 financial results https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1205455104373121026 More than decent off-the-pitch financial effort by Rotherham....