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by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Chester Perry wrote:The really shocking thing Roy is that the shirt deal now brings in more than the matchday Income - not sure many fans would swallow a doubling of season ticket/ticket prices and a sponsor like Oak furniture land instead


Indeed.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Another article on gambling sponsorship in football - this time focussing on the normalising aspect for children and how the fight against such sponsorship appears to be coming from the lowest levels of the game https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/football-betting-gambling-firms-betvictor-non-league...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Joey on his time at Burnley
Replies: 33
Views: 2436

Re: Joey on his time at Burnley

It's difficult to overstate just how influential Joey was in his time at Turf Moor. He played a massive part in us winning the title in '15/'16 and I'm certain Dyche will be forever grateful for his contribution to our success.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Given all the turmoil of FFP in the Championship especially. @KieranMaguire has begun looking at the position of each of the clubs - this is an initial rough calculation, I believe that a more thorough analysis will following in the coming days. It does seem to show that for all it's failings FFP (...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce
Replies: 39
Views: 1415

Re: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce

Colin McDonald would have been 31 in that photo in '62. How fantastic to see him in your photo on here of him just last season with all our other England keepers.

Can you repeat the photo on this thread, Tony?
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce
Replies: 39
Views: 1415

Re: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce

ClaretTony wrote:Had a long look at this pic now and it is definitely not George.


I take your point......Someone posted a photo on here last week of Adamson and Bray welcoming the players back to training for the 1969/70 season. The difference in looks over those 7 years is just too stark.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce
Replies: 39
Views: 1415

Re: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce

Also Tony, we really should know the player directly behind Jack Butterfield, his face is very familiar but for the life of me can't put a name to him.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce
Replies: 39
Views: 1415

Re: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce

Born on the 11th day of the 11th month, he was very young looking if that's George. I'm beginning to seriously doubt it's him now. As for Attwell, are you meaning the one to the left of Les Shannon as you look at the picture? Agree with you re age but still there's a very strong resemblance. Yes, t...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our club could learn this lesson.
Replies: 33
Views: 2307

Re: Our club could learn this lesson.

Can understand the sentiment, but why single out our Club to learn a lesson ?

Is there another club in the PL that charges less admission prices than us ?

I know the combined cost of my Granddaughters season ticket and mine last season was something like £357........Nothing much wrong with that.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce
Replies: 39
Views: 1415

Re: 1962 Ex Clarets v Rolls Royce

What a superb photo. A friend of mine, Tommy Willighan, who played for the Ex-Clarets around that time will not be happy with me not being able to name them all. Definitely Les Shannon and Colin McDonald on the back row and I think Reg Attwell is next to Les. Then Arthur Woodruff at the end with I t...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

No great surprise and obviously budgets would change downward (as would commercial revenue) - but it is useful to see in this stark format rather than as a percentage of revenue. @KieranMaguirre shows us the losses that would be made in the Premier League without the TV money https://twitter.com/Ki...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: A lot of people aren’t fans of the new sponsors ...
Replies: 74
Views: 3267

Re: A lot of people aren’t fans of the new sponsors ...

Do you think it's actually a dilemma for the directors? I get the impression that they're pretty happy to keep on signing bumper sponsorship deals like this and aren't particularly worried about how it looks. Of course we don't know the answer to that question, JohnMcGreal, and any opinion is going...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: A lot of people aren’t fans of the new sponsors ...
Replies: 74
Views: 3267

Re: A lot of people aren’t fans of the new sponsors ...

Shutting our eyes and enjoying listening to the jingling of coins coming in from the Far East is something this country has got far too used to in recent years, whether it be funding coming in from dodgy governments with strings attached or in this case gambling money coming from organisations who ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

yesterday saw the release of a report that highlighted the depth of gambling in shirt sponsorship in the coming season of the Premier League http://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40568 - Post #1684 (http://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Maguire goes to United
Replies: 96
Views: 7572

Re: Maguire goes to United

boatshed bill wrote:Leicester are making some serious profits on player sales. Good model to follow?


Follow??...........Player trading has been a necessary element of the way we operate since Bob Lord was a lad.

Even in the last set of accounts profit on player sales accounted for £31m of the overall £45m net profit.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Maguire goes to United
Replies: 96
Views: 7572

Re: Maguire goes to United

For £80 million you'd expect a world class defender and one of the best around Does anyone seriously think he is at that level. He doesn't even come close to VVD. Purely down to market forces. VVD has been at Liverpool for 18 months and for the forthcoming season we enter a new and improved TV deal...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

This would suggest it did - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/leeds-united-elland-road-buy-back-13-years-after-first-selling-a7813411.html Interestingly Wikipedia suggest that Leeds sold Elland Rd to the council in 1982 buying it back in 1998 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Did Krasner's deal at Leeds actually go through?
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Were we really the first Roy? I know we were probably the most careful in the way it was done and that it was only done in the best interests of the club and it's small creditors, but the first? Nearly 13 years now since Barry and John Sullivan established Longside Properties to buy Turf Moor from ...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMaguire looks at what FFP has meant in the EFL championship - essentially proves, that much like the EFL it is not fit for purpose https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1149941197370220545 All EFL clubs continue to chase the Premier League dream, and who can blame them when the rewards of...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bournemouth......
Replies: 78
Views: 3841

Re: Bournemouth......

Can easily end in tears when the likes of Fraser, Brooks and Ake discuss amongst themselves why Wilson is now earning almost double that of the other players.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: This week’s blast from the Burnley past is...
Replies: 27
Views: 852

Re: This week’s blast from the Burnley past is...

On the subject of goalkeepers I was chatting to Mick Finn yesterday in Accrington and he reminded me of his debut for us at Stamford Bridge in 1974.......Time flies.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Managers
Replies: 28
Views: 854

Re: Burnley Managers

John Haworth - Tommy Boyle
Frank Hill - Jimmy McIlroy.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

Peter Jones hadn’t been mentioned previously but he is to Ray Ternents left. Have we got the player between John Murray and Alan West? I think it is possibly Len Kinsella. I think you're spot on, Len Kinsella it is........He only played one game that season but was very much a part of the squad. Th...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

A very young and slim Frank Casper there, Trevor!.......Must have been one the last photos he had with Rotherham as he came to us in June 1967. Have we named all the players in the pic now, I think there are 23 in total. Perhaps ClaretTony can fill in any gaps? There was another Jones played once th...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMaguire adds a bit more to that Sheffield Wednesday analysis https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1149379557247639557 look at how much the owner has chucked at the club - over £100m, still owes then £60m for the ground and the company that owns it now resides in Hong Kong, Question for t...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

I'm pretty sure Rodney Jones was at the club then. I never saw him play though and in those days of one substitute I don't recall ever seeing him. Hipper, Rodney Jones was here from '67 to '71 during which time he played just 9 league games. 8 of those were in the '68/'69 season but he did not feat...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

Apparently Peter Mellor had just been signed from Witton Albion and he appears to be the only keeper in the squad.

In fact Mellor played every league game in the '69/'70 seasn and all the Cup games.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

Hipper wrote:Who are the three players to Doc's left?

Next to Peter Mellor is number 3 and behind him, is that Rodney Jones?


Mick Doc, new signing Eric Gillespie and John Murray.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

Hipper wrote:That's Waldron behind O'Neil isn't it?

Jim Thomson I think is behind Kindon - you can just see the back of his head.

Where's Eric Probert and Geoff Nulty?


I think that's Nulty, between Kindon and Ray Ternent.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

Brilliant guys!......Any left then?
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

Ok, I'll start with Mellor, Kindon, Nulty, Ray Ternent & Merrington.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Old Burnley Images
Replies: 27
Views: 2019

Re: Old Burnley Images

Burnley Civic Trust inherited the Burnley Express archive some time ago and volunteers have been busy digitising articles and photographs for public viewing on their website. There are articles of interest to Burnley residents, including a number of Clarets stories and photographs from the last 50-...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

It has taken a long time to get there but Sheffield Wednesday have finally posted their accounts for the 2017/18 season - @KieranMaguire takes a gander - includes confirmation of the sale and leaseback of Hillsborough to avoid FFP sanctions (though appears no cash was used in the sale buyer appears...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Australia v England Cricket Semi Final
Replies: 240
Views: 3997

Re: Australia v England Cricket Semi Final

Royboy looking imperious.....a beautiful flick of the leg for six.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

A look at how for the Premier League, pre-season has become a big and global business https://www.playthegame.org/news/news-articles/2019/0581_premier-league-preseason-matches-have-become-a-global-business/ Burnley's first European adventure was 105 years ago in 1914 to Germany, although the motive...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who is this, where are they and when?
Replies: 40
Views: 1762

Re: Who is this, where are they and when?

Here is another from Burnley's 1914 and first overseas tour when they played Viktoria Club Berlin. Within only a few months they would be at war killing each other. http://i68.tinypic.com/27xl6rl.png Can't find that one in the book, Mike. :) But there is another of the Germans presenting Tommy Boyl...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who is this, where are they and when?
Replies: 40
Views: 1762

Re: Who is this, where are they and when?

Thinking about it the story has all the hallmarks of a wonderful film script. Captain Tommy Boyle lifts the FA Cup in 1914 before going off to fight for his country in WW1 where he suffers life threatening injuries, only to survive and return to captain Burnley to win the First Division Championship...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who is this, where are they and when?
Replies: 40
Views: 1762

Re: Who is this, where are they and when?

I guess the trip to Berlin in May 1914 was a reward for winning the FA Cup a couple of weeks earlier at the end of April. However, with WW1 imminent I suspect they would have been happy to return home.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's overdraft
Replies: 26
Views: 3150

Re: Burnley's overdraft

Quite remarkable how our financial fortunes have turned around in just a few short seasons. Some six years ago we were dependent on loans from various directors, many of whom are still at the Club and revelling at our success whilst now taking a back seat. Our latest accounts to June '18 reveal Cash...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

In post #1168 (http://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1167) we finally learned the size of the TV deal that will cover the next 3 seasons of Premier League Football - In the following couple of posts Royboyclaret and I tried to work out what that would mean to ...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bee Hole End in the snow in April
Replies: 14
Views: 1131

Re: Bee Hole End in the snow in April

A defeat that came within a five game losing streak which pretty much sealed our fate of relegation to Division Three. The downward spiral was soon to continue even further.

Aye, John Pender at the back for Wolves.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMguire produces a chart matching wages to points earned over the last 25 years of records in the Premier League https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1147855553005260800 Absolutely no surprises there with the expected strong correlation between levels of Wage bill and points earned. The o...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I fancy a walk
Replies: 27
Views: 1868

Re: I fancy a walk

I did Gawthorpe again yesterday with the dog, from the Grove Lane side......Highly recommended.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 1732
Views: 106055

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

This may interest some of you - a new ebook - ‘England’s Oldest Football Clubs 1815-1889: A new chronological classification of early football’ https://twitter.com/martinwestby/status/1146761272098283520 They appear to have us down as 1874 to present date, but it was at a meeting in May 1882 that t...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:20 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Terry McPhillips
Replies: 6
Views: 1538

Re: Terry McPhillips

Winstonswhite wrote:That’s a funny one. New owner in, who’d you presume is easier to work with than KO and he resigns?? Maybe already got someone else lined up and jumped before pushed.


Charlie Adam or perhaps Simon Grayson ?
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How many actual Burnley games have you actually seen?
Replies: 59
Views: 1906

Re: How many actual Burnley games have you actually seen?

summitclaret wrote:Approx 3000. Guess it's cost me about £ 60k at current prices


60 years averaging 50 games a season, that's some going summitclaret. Fair play to you, it's certainly more than I've clocked up.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How many actual Burnley games have you actually seen?
Replies: 59
Views: 1906

Re: How many actual Burnley games have you actually seen?

ClaretTony wrote:I wasn’t aware they did that back then but given match admission was only 50p per game then it was more expensive to buy a season ticket after June if that’s correct.


Of course there was also the same number of Central League games included back then.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How many actual Burnley games have you actually seen?
Replies: 59
Views: 1906

Re: How many actual Burnley games have you actually seen?

I wasn’t aware they did that back then but given match admission was only 50p per game then it was more expensive to buy a season ticket after June if that’s correct. That's what it says in the little green season ticket I've just found at the back of the drawer. Thinking about it that was probably...

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