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by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@SwissRamble does his imperious thing with Barcelona's accounts https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1183641858066583552 Never cease to be amazed by Barcelona's accounts and, as I've stated previously on here, they exist on a different financial level to any other European club including Manchest...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Silkyskills1 wrote:I wonder what happened to Albert Holmes' career?


Stayed at Chesterfield until 1976 where he amassed a total of 470 appearances in a 16 year career there.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hampstead Claret RIP
Replies: 161
Views: 5822

Re: Hampstead Claret RIP

Desperately sad news.

Farewell to a top contributor on this forum.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

You obviously haven't been keeping up with them over the last few months. Partick have turned into a joke and are at serious risk of it getting even worse if they're taken over by the clowns who run Barnsley. The best case is that Euromillions winner Colin Weir funds a fan-led group to take over. W...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

How normal professional (traditional?) football survives - Partick Thistle publishes detailed accounts for 2018/19, a season that saw them drop to the 3rd tier of Scottish football - these financials are similar to a lower league 2 team in England that would not produce anything so transparent http...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Clarets and Brooks both crash to defeat as dodgy apples hit town
Replies: 10
Views: 465

Re: ARTICLE: Clarets and Brooks both crash to defeat as dodgy apples hit town

This result was a real setback from what was reckoned to be a potential home banker. We were back to the lack of consistency which has been mentioned before on this series of threads. Dad was convinced the team was jaded after the recent schedule which included those two friendlies and yet within a ...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Down Th'Imp
Replies: 42
Views: 1853

Re: Down Th'Imp

Fair play to the op in compiling such a comprehensive list......And what a list it is.......Some of the greatest global rock bands of the era, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Fleetwood Mac, Free, to name but a few. Just sensational. Difficult to pick any holes in the list but (and I'd be interested to hear the...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Which ground
Replies: 24
Views: 1480

Re: Which ground

Filbert St, the scene of one of our greatest away performances of all time in Sept 1961, a 6-2 win. Jimmy Mac was at his imperious best and we ripped Leicester to shreds, could easily have been double figures. We'd also won 6-2 away at Birmingham City just four days earlier at a time the great team ...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

We know the finances at Barcelona are pretty bonkers - they generate more revenue than anybody and expect it to go through the billion euro mark this season - their wages are equally enormous, as are their bonuses https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7547861/Barcelona-gave-players-92m...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Labour now want to interfere in running football clubs
Replies: 60
Views: 2385

Re: Labour now want to interfere in running football clubs

So which two members of Burnley's board would supporters want to sack?..assuming, of course, there would be any. None of them. All seven are Burnley fans first and foremost and all are committed to the cause with the best interests of the Club and team at heart. In that respect they are the polar o...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Who is behind Joyce. Miller ? Definitely Brian Miller and if claretblue is correct and it's the Hamburg home game the missing players are Blacklaw, Angus, Elder and Mac. The puzzler for me is exactly what our players are applauding?........Are they giving a round of applause at the end of the game ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Late goal earns point at leaders Spurs
Replies: 14
Views: 392

Re: ARTICLE: Late goal earns point at leaders Spurs

they also used to do a very comprehensive write-up in the local paper of each reserve game...the Central League was very competitive! We won the Central League in 1961/62 & 1962/63 with a very strong side. As CT says crowds were in the region of 10,000 on a regular basis, it was also the best w...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Look at the state of the pitch in the first photo, looks like the tide has just gone out. Is it Turf Moor ?

What's the story behind the "Welcome to Turf Moor" photo ?.....Mac, Cummings and even a returning John Connelly on there. Maybe 1975 ish ?
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Late goal earns point at leaders Spurs
Replies: 14
Views: 392

Re: ARTICLE: Late goal earns point at leaders Spurs

A good point at Tottenham but we were still looking for that elusive to find consistency in both results and performance.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Three more great photos W_C_Z.

Perhaps 1964/65 (the last season for the 1962 Cup Final strip), 1968 the dismantling of the Cricket Field terracing and 1981/82 Division Three Champions.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

If I am understanding this correctly Birmingham City will face another points deduction this season - @KieranMaguire with a summary of the parent company's 2018/19 financial results https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1178719251957473280 What a frightening set of figures and they deserve the p...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: All lit up in Folkestone
Replies: 15
Views: 1002

Re: ARTICLE: All lit up in Folkestone

There was one NI game against Wales in the first week of April'63 when their team included Alex Elder, Willie Irvine and Jimmy Mac. However Mac had signed for Stoke some four weeks before this game and incredibly Irvine still had to wait another six weeks before making his first-team debut at Burnley.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

yet another proposed bid for Newcastle https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7509201/TOON-TAKEOVER-Peter-Kenyon-makes-fresh-300m-bid-buy-Newcastle.html My observations - doesn't value the club at the price Ashley wants (i.e. the money he has put into it) - doesn't pay all the money at ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Athletic
Replies: 49
Views: 3466

Re: The Athletic

Pretty certain Chester Perry has linked a couple of the articles on the Magic Money Tree thread.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Back home and Burnley get win against bottom club Birmingham
Replies: 8
Views: 433

Re: ARTICLE: Back home and Burnley get win against bottom club Birmingham

Doesn't appear to have been the most inspiring of performances against the team at the bottom, but another win and up to third. Last time I left before the end was at Leeds. We were 3-0 down and I missed a superb Ralph Coates goal. Probably the most memorable part was the rare headed goal from Jimm...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Bob Lord: Burnley Born and Bred
Replies: 17
Views: 1498

Re: ARTICLE: Bob Lord: Burnley Born and Bred

5th October'19 until 29th February'20.
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

1927. Zerzabelshof. Lost 4-2. n1927.jpg Translation: After a rare sensational fight, surprisingly, the German amateurs won 4: 2 victorious. Hargreaves and Winter fighting for the ball n1927-2.jpg Hardly the ideal way to end the summer tour of Germany in 1927, a 2-4 defeat to the amateurs of FC Nure...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Full names ...
Replies: 46
Views: 1850

Re: Full names ...

Proud to say we named our son Irvine.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Incredibe collection of photos you have at your disposal W_C_Z.

Is it possible you were official photographer for the Club at some point ?
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

On closer inspection of our shirts maybe it's the close season tour of Germany in 1929 ?
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

The very last photo is fascinating me. Is this from our European tour in May 1914 following our FA Cup win ?

Surely that has to be Jerry Dawson our keeper with the most ever appearances for our Club ?

Unbelievable pic.

Where's Tommy Boyle !!
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Working_Class_Zero wrote:Photo is of the 'Under 21s before a tour of West Germany in 1965.


So, Willie Morgan had already played 62 games for our first team by the time of this U21's tour of Germany in the summer of 1965.

Who is our keeper ?
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Hendrick and Wood share the honours in Norwich win
Replies: 23
Views: 578

Re: ARTICLE: Hendrick and Wood share the honours in Norwich win

I thought Hendrick was superb against Narch but, (yes there's a but). He has quite close ball control and can take players on so why not get in the box more often and maybe create an opportunity for himself or others, or at least draw a foul for a possible penalty. Go on lad, don't be shy. Maybe th...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Could it be in connection to our winning of the Central League in 1962/63 ?.......or even 1961/62 ?
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

As for the last photo....Len Kinsella is the player next to Ralph Coates on the back row and Billy Gaskill is between Brian O'Neil and Dave Merrington on the front row.

Goodness knows exactly what the occasion is. Perhaps W_C_Z can enlighten us.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

The middle pic is brilliant WCZ. Brilliant it most certainly is, as are the other two photos in W_C_Z's latest contribution. Agree with Tricky Trevor that the middle one must be our recognition of Tottenham's successful 1960/61 season. Typical of the humility and sportsmanship of our Club at the ti...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

United's key financial figures for 2018/19 Record fiscal 2019 Revenues of £627.1 million, in line with annual guidance Fiscal 2019 adjusted EBITDA of £185.8 million, in line with annual guidance Fiscal 2019 Operating Profit of £50.0 million all the real details here https://www.businesswire.com/new...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

the EFL have appointed Rick Parry as Chairman https://www.efl.com/news/2019/september/rick-parry-named-as-efl-chairman-designate/ It will be interesting to see what a former Chief Exec of the Premier League (when EFL turned down their offer to negotiate on their behalf and guaranteed 20% of PL earn...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Town set for change as Clarets face trip to Newcastle
Replies: 9
Views: 1147

Re: ARTICLE: Town set for change as Clarets face trip to Newcastle

The Newcastle game was the first time we'd seen what many considered to be our strongest line-up of Blacklaw, Angus, Elder, Adamson, Cummings, Miller, Connelly, Mac, Pointer, Robson & Pilkington (although Bobby Seith might well have had an argument to be included). There was a short quote from A...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Town set for change as Clarets face trip to Newcastle
Replies: 9
Views: 1147

Re: ARTICLE: Town set for change as Clarets face trip to Newcastle

Back to winning way even though it was not a vintage performance. George Eastham was a superb player and I think that was his last season at Newcastle before his landmark High Court victory which opened up a whole new era for professional footballers. He moved on to bigger and better things at Arsen...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Sorry Roy not got the time at the moment - if you go to the top of the page and put club valuation in the search box likely to get close to what you are looking for as it is a thread limited search Cheers CP, the main area of debate seems to be in April this year, particularly mid-April (posts 908,...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

following today's news that Prince Abdullah has won the High Court battle for Sheffield United (http://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41907) @KieramMaguirre posted the following tweet https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1173565989369389056 I am assuming that £5m is for t...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Local plumber scores to beat injury hit Clarets
Replies: 7
Views: 1094

Re: ARTICLE: Local plumber scores to beat injury hit Clarets

No suggestion of it at all. Angus was at fault giving away the corner and no mention whatsoever of Elder being at fault in the reports. How about this observation from Tim Quelch..........."Poor Alex made a disastrous start, losing his winger, Tom Finney, at a 6th minute corner. The 'Preston p...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Local plumber scores to beat injury hit Clarets
Replies: 7
Views: 1094

Re: ARTICLE: Local plumber scores to beat injury hit Clarets

ClaretTony wrote:What Elder mistake? Finney headed home a corner from the side of the pitch.


From my memory Alex clearly lost Finney from the corner, but then quickly recovered to give a man of the match performance.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@SwissRamble does his thing with the Hull 2018/19 financial results https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1173495607039844357 The Allam's doing what Ashley should do at Newcastle - get the loans down to bring the price of the club down - wonder what will happen to the £10m+ from the Harry Maguire ...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Local plumber scores to beat injury hit Clarets
Replies: 7
Views: 1094

Re: ARTICLE: Local plumber scores to beat injury hit Clarets

Bit of a setback at Deepdale but Jimmy Mac, as always, was a big miss.

Alex Elder after his initial mistake for Finney's goal was outstanding and here to stay.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

As Wolves come to terms with balancing European and domestic football a situation they hope will be a constant, the realisation that they need additional Investment has hit. It seems the owners a looking for a partner willing to take a minority stake. https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/w...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Our congratulations go to Hull, the first English club to post it's accounts for the 2018/19 season and we are not yet quite tat the middle of September (at least another 6 months for ours though I suspect) @KieranNMaguire has a gander while travelling to watch Brighton v Burnley https://twitter.co...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:58 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Stories emerging that Middlesbrough (not content with suing Derby over their ground sale) are now suing the EFL for their role in the same https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1172266787624370177 good luck with that one - I think Gibson has totally lost it There is a report in the Times - which...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley F C in pictures
Replies: 490
Views: 26221

Re: Burnley F C in pictures

Amazing photo from 1929. Football was massive even back then but Burnley were struggling in Division One. We narrowly avoided relegation for the second successive season, finishing 19th both times. It was a short reprieve though and we were relegated the next season 1929/30. One positive though was ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Radio Sheffield did a special on Football finance last night with special guest @DrRob_Wilson - it was promoted with the following tweet https://twitter.com/mikemccarthy/status/1171727317133082624 here is the programme on playback from 4:45 in - available for a few days only https://www.bbc.co.uk/s...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:30 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 2323
Views: 235405

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@AndyhHolt clearly demonstrating the machinations of the Premier League and what puppy dogs the EFL are to them https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/1172050177328373760 Wasn't aware of this particular vote by the PL today. Be interesting to see which way it goes, and wonder which method Mike Garlic...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Burnley leave it late to beat Preston
Replies: 25
Views: 1875

Re: ARTICLE: Burnley leave it late to beat Preston

Watching the rain pour down this morning it's hard to believe the drought situation that the town was in 60 years ago. The area was literally desperate for water and on the 9th September (exactly 60 years ago today) the Town Council, for the first time, considered the use of standpipes throughout th...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Burnley leave it late to beat Preston
Replies: 25
Views: 1875

Re: ARTICLE: Burnley leave it late to beat Preston

Quicknick wrote:And what a left back he was. 18, eh? I thought he was 19. You're probably right, though.


Remarkably he was still only 18 when he made his full international debut against Wales some 7 months later.

What a career he had ahead of him including 34 international matches whilst at Burnley.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Burnley leave it late to beat Preston
Replies: 25
Views: 1875

Re: ARTICLE: Burnley leave it late to beat Preston

Probably only right to say a few more words about Adam Blacklaw's form in those first six matches. He'd been nothing short of sensational and to be honest won us the points on more than one occasion. No doubt Adam was happy to take the plaudits but he knew (and admitted as much to me many years late...

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