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- Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:33 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: La Liga games in the USA
- Replies: 17
- Views: 791
Re: La Liga games in the USA
These are the ones who have just been awarded Football League highlights in the US so I imagine Wrexham playing a league match in the US wouldn't be too far behind. They have also has a long running partnership with UEFA, which fed the International Champions Cup which was played in North America, ...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Elsewhere in The Athletic this is an interesting article - Tottenham's recent accounts showed they were making £4.8m a game (probably more this season), it is not a stretch to imagine a new 'Old Trafford with a 90,000 - 100,000+ capacity generating £10m a game or so - all of which makes the previous...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:11 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The proposed change to % of revenue which is more in line with uefa seemed to favour clubs in european comps and therefore more revenue. As you say this new proposal could put those clubs at a disadvantage to the big european teams. Tricky one this. I suspect that this piece in The Athletic today a...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:46 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: La Liga games in the USA
- Replies: 17
- Views: 791
Re: La Liga games in the USA
There is a rule but we've seen far too often that rule tend to be broken when these club owners want something. we know from recent events re the long running legal case pursued by the promoters Relevent against the MLS and FIFA that FIFA have backed down, been removed from the litigation and are c...
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:14 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
They still remain under the ownership of convicted fraudster Andy Pilley, and in the control of the family -so much for the owners and directors test being improved (the convicted rapist owner of neighbours Blackpool wad able to prosper under the previous iteration -before his attempts to defraud a ...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
In the above I noted that MLS teams outnumbered Premier League ones by 2:1 - not that I found that surprising given I have been noting their valuations for some years now So I was interested to find this story this morning - A British Citizen is paying $500m for a new MLS franchise in San Diego - t...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonights Football
- Replies: 106
- Views: 3001
Re: Tonights Football
he has never liked playing a Dyche team - since his first encounter at Turf Moor when we showed him that he was not the only one who new how to get his team to press.
there have been numerous funny (both ha ha and weird) encounters since
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
A new and lengthy article from Martin Samuels about the anchoring proposal to sit alongside the Squad Cost Ratio version of FFP. Samuel is right about it giving the opportunity for the owners of the biggest clubs the opportunity to finally make some profit via dividends (that could also raise the e...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:33 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Nottingham Forest tweet
- Replies: 194
- Views: 12027
Re: Nottingham Forest tweet
Breaking News: It has been revealed that Simon Hooper, the referee for Saturday’s game between Nottingham Forest and Manchester City used to own a Luton van. The Forest hierarchy are said to be furious about a clear conflict of interest and are demanding that he is replaced. I am a little surprised...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Sky Sports News are saying that 777 Partners have put more funds into Everton, taking their loans to the club past the £200m mark - while this seems bizarre given that they couldn't raise the funds to pay off MSP Capital, it will have been a condition of their extension to that MSP deal https://twi...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
One of the things I most enjoy about the writing of Miguel Delaney is his demonstration of understanding of context, history and the wider issues that influence a situation - here he uses tonight's Merseyside derby as a both a history lesson and an exemplar of almost everything that is wrong with th...
- Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:17 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off again for Kettering Capital, nothing on Calder Vale Holdings yet. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12975630/filing-history It's all a bit of a bizarre situation with these and their lack of accounts. Indeed - 1st set o...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Football Governance Bill passed its 2nd stage tonight in Parliament - though it seems a number of MP's have unsurprisingly been taken in by the misinformation surrounding FA Cup replays from The Guardian MPs call for English football’s regulator to have power to save FA Cup replays MPs vote in f...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 9:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
There are suggestions from Alan Nixon that 777 partners are paying MSP Capital (and its investors) around £1m a week for the extension to the April 15 deadline. This will be on top of the circa £20m a month that they will have also pledge to keep Everton afloat and the stadium build progressing 777...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Premier League Chief Executive Richard Masters, takes his turn to put is case of concern about the Independent Regulator for Football and the Football Governance Bill from The Times Premier League is envy of world – government must not put that at risk Football Governance Bill could give the new re...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:12 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am not sure that this is legally possible from The Times FA could ban clubs from globetrotting post-season friendlies Player-welfare concerns were raised after Newcastle and Tottenham arranged match 10,500 miles away in Melbourne, three days after end of Premier League campaign https://archive.ph/...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:21 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
as football in England (and Europe's elite leagues) takes on more and more of American practices, the accessibility that was once considered the right of the ordinary fan has gradually dissipated, and that trend is only speeding up with ordinary fans given less seats proportionately each season. Su...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:40 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
There is an interesting section in Martin Zeigler's column in the Times today - not least because it brings up an issue which Interpol regards as one of the 3 key methods of money laundering international football transfers (the others being gambling and the art market). Of course there is a simple...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:44 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Another example of football becoming disenfranchised from what helped establish its popularity - as the article demonstrates this is a situation that is not unfamiliar in our town from The Times ‘We’d be lambs to slaughter’ – why some fans don’t want to get promoted It’s the tightest Championship p...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:20 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: FA Cup Replays
- Replies: 80
- Views: 2992
Re: FA Cup Replays
So it has taken a while but we now have potentially the most sensible writing on this issue that clearly outlines the process that led to the reformatting of the FA Cup - and wonder of wonders The EFL (representing their members and even the Football Supporters Association were part of the discussio...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I must say that while I am not surprised by the outcry of the significant changes to the format of the FA Cup, I am somewhat surprised at the misinformation from the media fuelling the outrage against the Premier League and yet more calls for the Independent Regulator for Football to step in. Natur...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Is this a sign of how desperate the situation at Everton is? - the clubs own financial advisors seeking funding for 777 Partners rather than finding an alternative, because the process would take too long for a new buyer to take control from Bloomberg Everton's Advisers Scramble to Save 777 Takeove...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:06 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Is this a sign of how desperate the situation at Everton is? - the clubs own financial advisors seeking funding for 777 Partners rather than finding an alternative, because the process would take too long for a new buyer to take control from Bloomberg Everton's Advisers Scramble to Save 777 Takeover...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Guardian with a bit of additional info on that loan extension from MSP Capital to allow 777 Partners opportunity to find the funds - also includes the sum Everton are paying in interest on their loans each week - which is about the same that the average Championship club loses each week Everton...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Geo-political Economy of Football is an old and long running theme for this thread - but given what has dominated it in recent times is is almost a pleasant change to go back to it, Rory Smith in The New York Times asks a really rather good question and in some ways I feel the answer lies with t...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 12:24 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Another example of football becoming disenfranchised from what helped establish its popularity - as the article demonstrates this is a situation that is not unfamiliar in our town from The Times ‘We’d be lambs to slaughter’ – why some fans don’t want to get promoted It’s the tightest Championship pr...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
the Guardian release the fourth part of the Oligarch Files relating to Roman Abramovitch Offshore cash and huge loans: how Roman Abramovich turned Chelsea into world-beaters Exclusive: Leak reveals network of companies used to route fortune made from the oil fields of Siberia into Stamford Bridge h...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Matt Slater's Business of Football column returns today, and it is particularly timely given it covers 3 of the previous 4 posts on this thread, with extensive features on Everton's proposed (and much delayed) takeover and the FA Cup Changes introducing a lot of information about the economics and c...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:37 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
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After a week where UEFA club competition left just 1 English club standing in the semi-finals of 3 competitions and a weekend where the PSR breaching, points deducted pair of Everton and Nottingham Forest meet in a supposed relegation battle, the bottom two (Sheffield United and Burnley) meet in the...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
777 partners seem like they rob Peter to pay Paul. Have they actually got a pot to p1ss in ? possibly not anymore though it is expected that they will be putting more operating money into Everton in the coming days This is an interesting if unsurprising move https://twitter.com/sachatavolieri/statu...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:40 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: FA Cup Replays
- Replies: 80
- Views: 2992
Re: FA Cup Replays
Maybe it's just time to scrap Premier League Teams from the FA Cup? Or just get rid of the whole football league system - it's just in the way. from a FIFA/UEFA perspective it is about creating a standardised approach - unfortunately for us, England is the massive outlier with the depth and histori...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:33 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Meanwhile it seem s that the new Independent Regulator for Football is to be based in Manchester - might as well be close to some of your biggest lobbyists, large and small. from The Times Football regulator to be based in Manchester, with chairman on £130k Person heading up new regulator will earn ...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:07 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: FA Cup Replays
- Replies: 80
- Views: 2992
Re: FA Cup Replays
Don't forget that the EFL have previously offered to terminate the League cup - as part of their negotiations for greater Premier League monies. They have long known what was coming, this faux outrage is about them trying to claw more money from the Premier League - and to be honest if it is to happ...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:59 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Beyer
- Replies: 45
- Views: 4178
Re: Beyer
yesterday was the first I heard about a long term injury to Al Dakhil who is also out until next season
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:48 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: FA Cup Replays
- Replies: 80
- Views: 2992
Re: FA Cup Replays
I have been posting about the causes for this situation - and it is only the first step in a greater plan - for years now on the MMT. It is not surprising that this has come about, the only surprise is the number of people who have found it surprising. this which is also in the MMT is my take I must...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:44 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I must say that while I am not surprised by the outcry of the significant changes to the format of the FA Cup, I am somewhat surprised at the misinformation from the media fuelling the outrage against the Premier League and yet more calls for the Independent Regulator for Football to step in. Natura...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It has been a week bookend by financial deadlines for 777 Partners football interests and warnings about financial commitments not being honoured throughout * we are now back in Belgium and the long running saga of completion of the deal for Standard Liege from Walfoot courtesy of Google translate F...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Filings starting to appear at Companies House relating to the Accounts of Burnley FC Holdings Ltd (released on Easter Monday by the club https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08335231/filing-history and Burnley Football and Athletic Club Limited https://find-and-update....
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
That worries me that Kilby was against it. He's the one who truly has the clubs interests at heart. He deserves more acknowledgement as a legend of the club and the town than he ever gets not just for football but for how many lives he's probably saved aswell I think Kilby's position has been known...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
this is what he said "I don't mean to be over-dramatic on it because I can't explain it, but if you knew you would be 'oh my goodness, this is incredible'.” Alan Pace, January 5 2021, introductory press conference – a response to a question about the financial structure of the takeover This is what...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Yes, I’m sure they realise that the club being successful is the best chance of them realising a profit. But their idea of success may be very different to ours. We may place a higher value on winning the FA cup whereas they may place a higher value on selling a player purchased for £2m for £50m. I...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It has been a common refrain from the clubs under the 777 Partners umbrella, and indeed across many of their business dealings given all the reports and litigation that we have seen - When are you going to meet your financial responsibilities? - Vasco Da Gama join in the chorus from Inside World Foo...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
In the scale of football club owners I'd say that ours aren't that high up on the dread and upset scale. It's not an ideal structure (although I think many people had a very rosy view of what being taken over by private equity meant) but we're a long way from absentee owners or those facing swathes...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:33 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Legacy Fans v Corporate sensibilities - The Athletic picks up the baton The new Premier League culture war: Corporate interests vs ‘authentic’ fans https://theathletic.com/5416265/2024/04/16/premier-league-fans-corporate-culture/ It is all linked Last summer Unnofficial Partner did an excellent pod...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:54 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
This guys though are a few thousand followers on social media, some not even anywhere near that. We’ll need some much bigger hitters to even scratch the surface in those territories. it depends on who you are trying to influence - these guys are well connected in their business communities and know...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:42 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
these "minority" share holders are brought in to increase profile in overseas territory, in terms of financial they are bringing very little. including JJ in that There is indeed a large amount of 'influencer' element that we are seeing at the moment - and there will be a wide range of views about ...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10000
- Views: 1024069
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Athletic looks at how the new FFP that will be tracked next season but will not come into force until the season after (2025/26) will look and affect the transfer market which so many clubs have built a huge reliance upon - there is a reason that auditors are raising material concerns about such...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:19 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
It is probably better to ask why is the boardroom and much of the senior staff on the business side such a contrast, when the FA has set targets for a much greater diversity.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:09 amHi Paul, why do you think it's better for the club to have a multinational mix in the ownership?
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1257906
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
True. I’m not sure how this differs from our previous investors who also wanted to, and did, benefit from massive profits. For now and the foreseeable I think it is being marketed as an asset investment based on capital growth rather than an income producing investment - the development of the mult...