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- Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The ‘wages’ part of this seems to be being brushed over. It’s one thing not being able to afford extraordinary costs such as the stadium, but not being able to pay players is another thing altogether You get the feeling that things are so tight that they are paying bills by priority and not running...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:36 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1082
Re: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
I've been involved in TV residuals over the years and it's a real minefield. Payments generally come out of profits and a lot of effort is made to keep those paper profits low. Wrexham probably receive some share (whether flat fee or percentage) as there is a fair bit of filming at the ground/with ...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:56 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I have said all along that Fan Advisory boards were a smoke and mirrors type exercise from The Times Premier League clubs under fire for using fan boards for own PR Sixteen months after Fan Advisory Boards became mandatory in wake of the failure of the European Super League, there are questions abou...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:00 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1082
Re: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
Only if they decide to do the same. It is never as simple as that - expectations of players and agents also change, then there is the competitive fairness i it all - of course the National League does not have any form of FFP, but the spending that has gone on there for at least a decade has had si...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1082
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 780
- Views: 45499
Re: Season tickets next season
As is already known the rises in Season Ticket costs and the squeeze on concession prices is widespread Why Premier League clubs want to kill off season tickets - is yours at risk? As the Premier League modernises, a depth of feeling festers that those who have contributed to our country’s spectacle...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:12 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Part Two of 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' features a name familiar to this thread from The Athletic ‘Under every rock, we found a lie’: How the bid to be English football’s first black owner unravelled In the second of our series about the men who want to buy English football clu...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:04 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Somehow I missed this when it happened last week - Ipswich town owners sell a 40% stake in the club for £105m - valuing the club at £262.5m - to an American Private Equity Group CLUB STATEMENT | BRIGHT PATH SPORTS PARTNERS https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/22/press-release-bright-path-sports/
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Esk with a piece to follow up the detail of those conditions outlined in Josimar, he reminds us that hey actually formed part of the conditions 6 months ago as well, it is the hard deadline that is new - though it appears that Rights and Media Funding are not pushing for their money now as they...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 780
- Views: 45499
Re: Season tickets next season
It’s been a truly woeful season. The club could write the book on how to systematically take apart the good feeling and good will. Those price increases for kids and concessions are outrageous. There are a lot of unhappy customers. they have done a TV show about it instead - but will it ever be air...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The hope was that the Football Governance Bill would go through the process and be approved uickly, however we keep hearing of possible amendments that are likely to be popular with certain voters in an election year, which could actually delay the process. From The Telegraph MPs want to force Premi...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 780
- Views: 45499
Re: Season tickets next season
Just been reading this about Season Ticket price increases at Manchester City the changes we are seeing at Turf Moor are widespread in the game - that does not give reason to follow the herd though, our club's owners made a point of telling us that they would be different, their approach to running ...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
A new series of five articles (over five days) looking at 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' - first up fraudster Chris Kirchner, from The Athletic The $25m fraudster who came so close to buying an English football club In the first of our series about the men who want to buy English ...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 780
- Views: 45499
Re: Season tickets next season
They've called it 'Together We Are One' - that is, of course as long as you are not under-22 or over-65. Could just mean that they envisage a time when one price fits all it felt inevitable that the concessions were going to be hardest hit, it means the PR headlines can focus just on the Adult pric...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
- Replies: 142
- Views: 9776
Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
that is the FA - they still have that in their rule books, it is the only type of frivolous appeal penalty that I am aware of in English FootballSteve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:55 pmI’m sure we had a midfielder years ago who had his suspension increased after a ‘frivolous appeal’ against his red card!!
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:55 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
- Replies: 142
- Views: 9776
Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
I read somewhere that if appealed there was a chance the points deduction could be increased. No idea if that’s true, but I think it should be possible to prevent frivolous appeals. CP may know more on whether a points increase is a possibility at appeal. I am not aware of any penalty for a frivolo...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Earlier this week it transpired that Chelsea's new owners had reported the club themselves (again) for financial shenanigans under the Abramovich era - this time regarding the transfers of Willian and Samuel Eto'o (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67270626) and a number of payments out of Russi...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1144
Re: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
The Premier league is more corrupt than Blatter rules ignored or in Evertons case manipulated by smart barristers are you talking about the Premier League - the business, or the Premier League - the members organisation of 20 clubs, each operating at the whim of mostly billionaire owners who are no...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 780
- Views: 45499
Re: Season tickets next season
she also pays her taxesrandomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:40 pmDenise Coates has earned in excess of £1 billion in the last 4 years alone ( that's Billion, not Million ) . Whatever percentage of that allows season ticket prices to be frozen year on year is a drop in the ocean
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1144
Re: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
Latest on the fiasco : "So, we are still heading for a situation where we could have games on the final day of the season and we won't be sure what the bottom of the Premier League looks like because we won't have had the final decisions about these possible points deductions for Everton and Nottin...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:12 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Interesting piece on Leicester and why they are stalling the process on their charges around breaching financial rules - features significant input from the new guy on the football finance block - Stefan Borson, who I think offers much sounder assessments than Kieran Maguire - maybe because he actua...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:27 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
A new series of five articles (over five days) looking at 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' - first up fraudster Chris Kirchner, from The Athletic The $25m fraudster who came so close to buying an English football club In the first of our series about the men who want to buy English f...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:55 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Sadly, this is not a surprise Three years on, Football Index users are still trying to get their money back Some customers had five- or six-figure sums trapped when it collapsed in 2021 and say the site was not regulated properly https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2024/mar/25/three-years-on-f...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: James Trafford England call up
- Replies: 194
- Views: 8695
Re: James Trafford England call up
I read this earlier this week, an argument that he may be going to the Euros this summer - for the experience
from The Athletic
Assessing England’s Euro 2024 goalkeepers: Pickford a certainty, but who else?
https://archive.ph/6zp6K
from The Athletic
Assessing England’s Euro 2024 goalkeepers: Pickford a certainty, but who else?
https://archive.ph/6zp6K
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
In their 18th article on the proposed takeover of Everton by 777 Partners Philippe Auclair and Paul Brown reveal the conditions that the Premier League have set for their approval of the takeover. 777 Partners also have another new court case from Josimar Football Conditional access The good news f...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Sam Wallace on the hypocrisy of Leicester (and the others) fighting against FFP/PSR and other rules they voted to bring in. Sadly there is no mention of past issues with Leicester just the glory of their Premier League title and the difficulty of finding unknowns like Kante and Mahrez in the multi-c...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:15 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
International breaks tend to leave content thin on the ground for the international sports media, that is why you end up getting opinion based reports like this that pose as some kind of deep analysis, when they reflect a particular moment in time and their is little parity of pricing across the lea...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:39 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am trying to play catch up on my podcasts - Last week the Price of Football did a special podcast looking into tax in football, if you are a bit geeky about football finance, it is an interesting listen, Interview: Football tax adviser Tony Bogod on how much clubs pay in tax Kevin speaks to footb...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:32 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I am trying to play catch up on my podcasts - Last week the Price of Football did a special podcast looking into tax in football, if you are a bit geeky about football finance, it is an interesting listen, Interview: Football tax adviser Tony Bogod on how much clubs pay in tax Kevin speaks to footba...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is an issue I have been posting about for a long time and it seems it is only going to become more apparent. I am interested how proposals for 'anchoring' as part of the Premier Leagues new fiscal rules would deal with this additional income boost for Champions League clubs from The Times Champio...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Well this may come as a bit of a surprise, though as the article admits - it does not mean that the deal will be accepted - the conditions may be regarded as to much by 777 Partners, even designed to be, that would tally with my take on the situation from earlier in the week. It is just politically...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Today's Scorecard column in the Financial Times has a take on the prospective Independent Football Regulator (has IReF been discarded, it seemed so tritely perfect) Can a watchdog fix English football? https://archive.ph/UBv8e Will England’s football regulator root out bad owners? Rishi Sunak, Brit...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Today's Scorecard column in the Financial Times has a take on the prospective Independent Football Regulator (has IReF been discarded, it seemed so tritely perfect) Can a watchdog fix English football? https://archive.ph/UBv8e Will England’s football regulator root out bad owners? Rishi Sunak, Brita...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:09 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It looks like UEFA have given up on trying to legislate against multi-club organisations - the lack of announcement on this reminds me of The FA giving up on Rule 34 from 1983 onwards - starting with Irving Scholars bid to launch Tottenham on the stock market - In UEFA's case it is Article 5 that wi...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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you may have missed it but it has been big news in Spain all week - Luis Rubiales from President of the Spanish Football Federation, disgraced for forcing himself on Spain's women's team captain at the World Cup is under serious criminal investigation. this kind of thing is so common place this cent...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:21 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Odd that Leicester should be accused of breaching financial rules. Indeed, they are usually ahead of them, as the EFL found out once again in court a few weeks ago. as I have said previously, this is likely the 3rd time that the financial rules will be changed because of Leicester's actions circumv...
- Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Well this may come as a bit of a surprise, though as the article admits - it does not mean that the deal will be accepted - the conditions may be regarded as to much by 777 Partners, even designed to be, that would tally with my take on the situation from earlier in the week. It is just politically ...
- Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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Every time we see issues about competitive balance and new iterations/versions of FFP there are always a few posters who state the need for salary caps - UEFA recently came to a similar conclusion, though that has now been shutdown by the European Courts - which is hardly a surprise from The Times C...
- Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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Leicester have been formally charged by the Premier League for PSR breach from The BBC Leicester City: Premier League charges Championship club with alleged breaches of financial rules https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68580638 Leicester take their chutzpah and stroppiness to a new level from Th...
- Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:28 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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So this is interesting in light of my posting over the life of this thread and indeed over the last few days from The Telegraph Foreign state ownership of football clubs to be challenged by Peer The government plans to ban foreign states from owning newspapers while allowing them to purchase footbal...
- Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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Villa agree a new shirt sponsor deal for the next two seasons - the last allowing Vetting sponsors, I would think that £20m a year represents a significant uplift from their current deal, my guess is between 80% and 100% from The Telegraph Aston Villa agree £40m shirt sponsorship deal with Greek onl...
- Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:49 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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Am I the only one who thinks that Leicester are getting too much sympathetic press, for overstretching, particularly as there is no mention of their past history of dodging the consequences of their extravagances from the Guardian Leicester’s financial plight shaped by aftermath of FA Cup triumph C...
- Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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Hi Chester, I've read your postings with interest over the weeks, months, even years(??!!) - many thanks for all your efforts - and just wondering what your feelings with you having followed the money (so to speak) for so long. If I may, I'd be interested in your thoughts on the following; 1. What ...
- Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:55 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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I always find these columns from Jason Stockwood very interesting and thoughtful, I don't always agree with him, but he is absolutely right to argue that football is inherently political, a point I have been making for years from The Guardian Plans for regulator illustrate inherently political natur...
- Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:46 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The changes in ticketing policy and price banding at English top flight football clubs has been accelerating in recent times, most of it has been telegraphed for some time yet it still catches people by surprise, greater emphasis needs to be placed on pre-empting such moves from our clubs rather th...
- Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
S&P Global take a lengthy and detailed look at the rapidly changing and growing asset class of sports investment Sports ownership shifts from trophy asset to lucrative investment https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/sports-ownership-shifts-from-trophy-asset-to-lucra...
- Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:55 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
S&P Global take a lengthy and detailed look at the rapidly changing and growing asset class of sports investment Sports ownership shifts from trophy asset to lucrative investment https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/sports-ownership-shifts-from-trophy-asset-to-lucrat...
- Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Unofficial Partner have started a new series looking at Saudi investment in sport - as always it is good, the first episode can be heard now - fascinating stuff UP381 The Saudi Question, pt1 https://www.unofficialpartner.com/podcast/episode/7c2bd451/up381-the-saudi-question-pt1 the blurb nofficial P...
- Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:09 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Next seasons kit manufacturer - Castore
- Replies: 86
- Views: 4752
- Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:07 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9884
- Views: 982220
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Another rant by Martin Samuel about a new iteration of FFP - which he wedges is obsession with Mbappe (a phenomenal talent who has not shown himself to be a great team performer, which is crucial in the Premier League) and an element that has not been talked of much - Anchoring - where the big club...