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Greenmile

Damo wrote:A gang of Corbynistas, demonstrating kinder, gentler politics again I see

You ok, snowflake?

Greenmile

Paul Waine wrote:Thanks, Greenmile. That's given me a little laugh.

Have a great day.

Can you let Lancs know, I'm going to get some lunch and then I've got work to do.

Enjoy your lunch. Hope your afternoon is better than the car-crash of a morning you’ve had on here.

Greenmile

Paul Waine wrote:No, my assumption is that there's a little group on here who echo each other.

Is that fair comment? Or, can you prove me wrong?

They echo each other because they’re all right, Paul. Like the scientific community “echo each other” in respect of anthropogenic climate change, for example.

Greenmile

jontybfc wrote:Not quite the conversation I remember having. You asked where I got my opinion from, I linked a few experts. You then said you wanted my own forecast because you had one yourself. Which we never saw.

...and we never will, because it doesn’t exist outside of Paul’s fevered imagination.

Greenmile

Awfully sorry about that, Greenmile. There were so many of them. But, hey, you will be using those words another time, possibly. Apologies also to the members of the "group" that I didn't quote. So your assumption when loads of different people pull you up for talking ******** is that the...

Greenmile

Paul Waine wrote:Quite a collection there, don't you think.

(Not necessarily in the order copy/pasted - I hope no one minds).

You’ve credited my post to Martin, and vice versa, but hey who cares about accuracy, right?

Greenmile

The 'N' word (ffs sake we can't even use it when actually discussing it now :lol: :lol:) is one of the ones that gets me most. It is considered highly offensive (and maybe it is) but West Indians and Black Americans use it all the time when talking to each other. Also George Burns the American come...

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Anyone can say people should pay higher taxes in order to fund public services and help those who are less well off in society, the issue comes when policies are put in place that might affect them that people start moaning. The pensioner who is happy to pay more tax will naturally be more than wil...

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Well you are comparing a well off pensioner whose tax burden will probably not change with someone whose still working and will see a disproportionate raise. The only way Labour seems to be able to attract voters is to bribe them with free gifts paid for by “taxing” faceless entities. Billionaires ...

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Tall Paul wrote:Paul seems to be going full Ringo this morning.

More of a pound-shop dsr, IMO.

Greenmile

That's easy - black. But only when attached to an insult. Otherwise it is an accurate description. The abbreviation of Pakistani (don't think I can write it on here) is considered offensive but I have had many Pakistani friends who refer to each other as such - so that appears to be only offensive ...

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JC/JMcD playbook: 1) we will not increase taxes - except on the top 5% (and tax dodgers and billionaires); 2) We plan to spend £83bn - all paid by top 5% (and tax dodgers and billionaires); 3) We will democratise business - trade unions on company boards, sectoral wage bargaining, everyone has the ...

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Anybody wondering why I am currently backing Boris (the only Tory who can beat Corbyn), I have just done the maths this morning. I run my own business and my wife chooses not to work due to us having a child with additional needs. If I have an average year and earn about £50,000 - we will be about ...

Greenmile

It's not ambiguous language at all. It's commonplace in housing. You are suggesting I was dishonest about the commitment on starter homes. Yet starter homes wasnt originally mentioned. New homes generally was highlighted of which affordable housing is one type. The suggestion I may have made up the...

Greenmile

Leaving the Labour manifesto out of it for a minute, because they're obviously not going to win anyway, what exactly should be done? If you hold the view that taxing large companies and rich folk more inevitably leads to economic ruin, what's the alternative? I'm assuming most people aren't wanderi...

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Which term? Tell me clearly and explicitly how I've been dishonest? By using deliberately ambiguous language (“delivered” / “supplied” / “provided”) to imply that the Tories honoured their manifesto pledge (and maybe by making up the numbers re new builds completed, but I’m giving you the benefit o...

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"Proportionally, of the 57,485 affordable homes delivered in 2018-19, 92% were new build and 7% were acquisitions" It's not my fault you have no understanding of common terms used in the housing sector. Supply being the most appropriate and used term of them all. But not the term used in ...

Greenmile

Hi Greenmile, does it matter that you are quoting from David Cameron's 2015 manifesto, rather than T May's 2017 manifesto? And, I'm curious, did you think that "build" meant that the new starter homes would be build by Conservative MPs, or other members of the Conservative party, or inclu...

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Ive just told you how many they built. Anything other information you want look up yourself. This is getting dull. No you didn’t. You told me how many were “completed”. Language matters. Edit - if this time you really did mean “built”, it looks like you’ve got your figures wrong - an honest mistake...

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Why am I trying to fool folk? If the single issue of starter homes had been mentioned I wouldnt have disputed the point. But it wasnt mentioned at all. To satisfy your thirst to differentiate between new build and additional supply/delivery/provision of affordable homes, here you go: There were 53,...

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He thinks you're turtle cos you used the word c*nt. Dont worry though as this is the poster who still thinks the Russians are in bed with Corbyn and not Johnson's and Farage's paymasters - in other words he's a bit of a dimwit Ah ok. So he thinks IT created a sleeper account three and a half years ...

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They have built loads of new affordable homes. Why are you bothered about new build? Would you not see say 100 new affordable apartments converted from a disused mill a positive thing, increasing the supply of affordable housing in the area? How can you possibly argue that increasing "supply&q...

Greenmile

I've done no such thing. The quote I responded to referred to a conservative manifesto commitment. It said nothing about starter homes. The tories committed in their manifesto to increase supply of affordable housing. Supply is the most relevant word in this context. If you look at any local author...

Greenmile

Stayingup wrote:Haha. Gives you away under your new name. Own up!!!

Greenmile

I've no idea why you are getting hung up on words like supply, deliver and provide. They are basic words. It very often includes new builds and sometimes conversations which is a good thing too. Housing supply is absolutely the most appropriate word. I’m getting “hung up” on lies and deception. Fir...

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taio wrote:The 2017 manifesto included a commitment to provide affordable homes. Hence my reference to 57k additional supply of affordable homes in 18/19.

...and we’re back to the weasel words. “Provide” and “supply” seem like they could mean “build” in this context, but they don’t , do they?

Greenmile

Starter homes wasnt mentioned in the post I responded to. It was about supply in the market and I think additional affordable homes built is really important. They are being built all the time under section 106 conditions. Yes, but “the Tory commitment on building new houses” was mentioned, and it ...

Greenmile

That article is specifically about starter homes isnt it? Yes. So was the Tory manifesto pledge we’re talking about, according to the first line of the article, at least. “The Tories' 2015 manifesto committed the party to building 200,000 'Starter Homes', to be sold at a 20% discount and exclusivel...

Greenmile

Rileybobs wrote:Can you give an example of when it may be considered ‘offensive’ to describe someone accurately?

Whenever I call Boris Johnson a despicable lying c***?

Greenmile

Here's a headline from Inside Housing which I subscribe to: "Affordable housing delivery up 22% from previous year in England, government figures reveal" Pedantry aside, yes, number of affordable homes completed. Here’s an article that says they haven’t built any (which was the original s...

Greenmile

taio wrote:It has a broader meaning than just posting something. The term delivery is often used in construction and housing.

Yes, it was sort of a joke.

“Delivered” did feel like a bit of a weasel word in your post though. Did they actually build these houses? Genuine question - I have no idea.

Greenmile

taio wrote:57,485 affordable homes were delivered in 18/19.

“Delivered”? Did they get them from Amazon?

Greenmile

Lancasterclaret wrote:Just letting you know that she successfully sued a UKIP candidate who tried to claim that.

You might be better deleting it.

If it is actionable, presumably you’re at risk yourself now, Lancs, given the unedited version now only appears in your post 57.

Greenmile

Sorry to point out bud but while we are talking 'offensive' language isn't 'fat git' a tad out of order? Relating to someone's appearance when being critical is wrong is it not? I find that someone posting on this particular thread using that king of language a little odd. Or is being offended not ...

Greenmile

This may well be a hoax but if it isn't wouldn't you rather know - by any means - the real view extremely influential people may have of you and the area in which you live ? Yes, but not at the cost of accepting the hacking of public figures’ (or anyone else’s) private messages as something we shou...

Greenmile

I’m not sure how much style of play would affect a keeper, other than throwing it out rather than kicking it. I don’t pretend to understand tactics well enough to explain this myself, but I’ve heard a few experts talk about how we set up to “funnel” shots into areas where they are easier to save. I...

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I’m pretty solidly anti-Brexit and all those that are enabling it, but I’m not entirely comfortable with anyone’s private messages being hacked and disseminated like this.

Greenmile

Jesus, have I done it again? I think I'm getting better though! You do it all the time. It’s weird because Johnson is easier to type and a more common name than Johnston, and you’re obviously interested in politics generally - it just seems to be some blind spot you have. Similarly, I always spell ...

Greenmile

I'm torn to be honest. I don't want a thumping Conservative win but one of the advantages if there is one is that is marginalises groups like the ERG and brings the possibility that a more rational Brexit. Then there is the certainty that another hung parliament will result in a 2nd ref, which give...

Greenmile

Hi Greenmile, but I did read more than the headline - and I did it before I posted my response. The writer's argument is that the fear of communism made the "bosses" (my term, he speaks of "capitalists") share more of their wealth with the "workers." The writer also br...

Greenmile

Hi Andrew, in the 1950s and 60s, the standard working week was more than 40 hours. Working 5 1/2 days - and Saturday afternoon for the football match - was the standard. My first job, 1971 - summer hols while I was still at school - included Saturday morning. Standard hours have fallen a long way f...

Greenmile

Paul Waine wrote:I read all I wanted to read. Thanks.

Not much point commenting on it if you’ve only read the headline, Paul.

Edit - it’s also a bit rich to dismiss something as “not true” without reading it.

Greenmile

Hi Greenmile, ok, we can expect arguments like that from the Guardian. It's not true, of course. How did communism work out for the people in the Soviet Union? or Eastern Europe? China? Venezuela? Can we add Cambodia under Pol Pot to the list? You haven’t read the article, have you? Or you’ve misun...

Greenmile

Hi Andrew, interesting post. I haven't read all the Guardian's article. Re this quote: "Back in 1980, labour’s share of the pie in developed countries stood at more than 61%, but it has been pretty much downhill all the way ever since. Income from employment as a share of gross domestic produc...

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpF4tBwhGQ&t=0m58s

Greenmile

The main reason I am still banging on about Marxism is that whenever I have pointed out that Mcdonnell is a Marxist (nice try with the once said routine btw) people that have suggested Marxism is not bad have also claimed that I have smeared him! I just wish those that like Marxism would embrace it...

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TIL Marxism, socialism and communism are interchangeable terms.

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android wrote:I care that John Mcdonnell is a Marxist. Just how thick do you think he is to wrongly call himself a Marxist?

Tell me about his Marxist policies then.

Greenmile

Why is it that so called free speech advocates only care about the free speech of racists / misogynists / bigots, and not the free speech of the folk who complain about racism / misogyny / bigotry?

Greenmile

android wrote:"I like to be honest with people, I'm a Marxist" Daily Mail is irrelevant.

So it’s just self-identification you care about. I presume you’re out fighting for trans rights every day then.

Edit - I presume you also think the Nazis were socialist, and the DPRK is democratic.

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