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by claretspice
Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Che Adams interest
Replies: 24
Views: 2226

Re: Che Adams interest

Perhaps I'm too cynical, but this has the ring of a story that suits Birmingham given they're about to have to explain to the Football League why they turned down offers from us and Southampton at the end of the window, and justify their seemingly extravagant valuation of the player.
by claretspice
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Swansea in trouble: article
Replies: 121
Views: 3500

Re: Swansea in trouble: article

" Whatever we did or didn't do in the summer, we've got a midfield pool of 7 very established premier league performers, plus one starlet, for 4 berths. We can't really expect much more depth than that." But we haven't have we because at least 2 of those are hardly ever fit. It was and is...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Swansea in trouble: article
Replies: 121
Views: 3500

Re: Swansea in trouble: article

I am not talking about the injury record of players when signing, rather what we knew or should have last summer. The glaring issues were the long term injuries to defour and brady our 2 most creative players. 12 points after 19 games from a team that performed as it did last season shocking and wo...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Swansea in trouble: article
Replies: 121
Views: 3500

Re: Swansea in trouble: article

Expecting any significant contribution from defour and brady this season was extremely optimistic. Also we know jbg is injury prone. Lennon is well known for inconsistency. The magnificent contribution from McNeil is probably a surprise even to SD. All in all not to bring in a right-footed winger a...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Swansea in trouble: article
Replies: 121
Views: 3500

Re: Swansea in trouble: article

Here we go again. What bit of down to the bare bones in midfield don't you lot get? We are in the fight of our lives and can't even find a sub across all of midfield, mainly due to poor recruitment. And people compare us to massive overspenders. I'm sorry - this needs calling out because it just is...
by claretspice
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: The Barnes and Wood effect
Replies: 11
Views: 1074

Re: ARTICLE: The Barnes and Wood effect

They're one of those partnerships that just balance each other nicely. Dyche has talked about lots of things that have changed since Boxing Day, but one he hasn't spoken about publicly but which he might privately admit is that he's gone back to basics himself: 4-4-2 with a partnership that has prev...
by claretspice
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bottom 8 teams on 13th May...
Replies: 43
Views: 3030

Re: Bottom 8 teams on 13th May...

The one thing I would say is that amongst the 6 teams who are realistically fighting out to avoid finishing 18th, it would be a huge surprise if none had a bad run between now and the end of the season. Therefore, it still seems like to me that one of the 6 will end up on 34 points or less. 3 more w...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brighton v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 52
Views: 3588

Re: Brighton v Burnley - Player Ratings

Hard fought and not especially pretty, but we got the job done. Heaton - 8 - three or four excellent saves and generally an assured presence. Bardsley - 7 - solid enough. Taylor - 8 - thought he was given a tough examination and once again he came through with flying colours. Tarks - 9 - he's been b...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brighton v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 52
Views: 3588

Re: Brighton v Burnley - Player Ratings

Hard fought and not especially pretty, but we got the job done.
by claretspice
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:07 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Barnes and Wood
Replies: 99
Views: 5387

Re: Barnes and Wood

How do you play McNeil as a number 10 without playing 1 up front because neither Barnes or Wood are good enough to play on their own, maybe a diamond midfield with 2 up top ? ---------Cork Hendrick Westwood ------McNeil Barnes Wood To be fair, both Barnes and Wood have played up front on their own ...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Barnes and Wood
Replies: 99
Views: 5387

Re: Barnes and Wood

Interesting...my first thought would’ve been to put Hendrick back there, not McNeil. I don't dislike Hendrick in that role, but I think it's a more natural fit for McNeil. In his short career with us he's shown an ability to get into goal scoring positions, intelligent movement between the lines to...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jeff
Replies: 36
Views: 3291

Re: Jeff

Great to see him playing well and really influencing games in both attack and defence. Lancaster is very kind above, but I'm pretty sure there were a few people who suggested this might be his best role, certainly in our set up. It seems to get the best out of his great strength, which his ability t...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: McNeil
Replies: 81
Views: 5097

Re: McNeil

Not yet Trevor was controlling our midfield at 17 and could send a defender the wrong way without touching the ball. The best to come through we ever had and he’ll never be bettered. In a bad team that had just won promotion from the 3rd to division one and yes he was a very good player and went on...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Barnes and Wood
Replies: 99
Views: 5387

Re: Barnes and Wood

Another outstanding display from our front two, with each getting on the scoresheet again. The thing that concerns me is that Base pairing are clearly the go to strikeforce, yet if one of them now gets injured, we can’t ask Crouch to start games… Well not in my mind we can’t. The whole shape of the...
by claretspice
Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Had Barnes been sent off.....
Replies: 57
Views: 2770

Re: Had Barnes been sent off.....

If it's true that he realised he may have made a mistake, then why did he not simply consult with the ref assistant to get his thoughts on the matter, give him some thinking time and then either confirm or change his decision. I suspect that Barnes rep had preceded him which led to the original dec...
by claretspice
Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Had Barnes been sent off.....
Replies: 57
Views: 2770

Re: Had Barnes been sent off.....

You used to see it in tennis (e.g. McEnroe) but whether it's still around I don't know. On Industrial Language, when I learned to ref I was told you had to be aware that some people (and he wasn't looking at me I think!) use industrial language as a norm and it should therefore be acceptable. It is...
by claretspice
Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Had Barnes been sent off.....
Replies: 57
Views: 2770

Re: Had Barnes been sent off.....

And no you don't see it in rugby because they don't have the muppets refereeing their games that we do. Ty - if you think that rugby referees definitely make fewer mistakes than football ones - you're wrong. To use one example, England were nearly cost the 2003 world cup because of a referee who di...
by claretspice
Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Had Barnes been sent off.....
Replies: 57
Views: 2770

Re: Had Barnes been sent off.....

Don't agree with your last paragraph. I'll bet there is nothing in his contract that says you must keep control of your emotions, in fact quite the opposite, and even at a million pounds an hour if you are passionate then no amount of money is going to take that away. I have never been Barnes' bigg...
by claretspice
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Had Barnes been sent off.....
Replies: 57
Views: 2770

Re: Had Barnes been sent off.....

Taylor has been inevitably criticised for a really poor decision to deny the penalty and card Barnes for diving. However, I'm pretty sure the only reason Barnes remained on the pitch is that Taylor recognised from Barnes' (and others') reaction that he'd probably made a mistake, and decided that the...
by claretspice
Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Now the dust has settled...
Replies: 33
Views: 2055

Re: Now the dust has settled...

A few weeks ago at the backend of 2018 I posted that if we didn't sign somebody who was good enough to walk into the starting 11, we'd go down. We haven't done that, but since I posted it, two things have happened. Heaton has come back in and McNeil has emerged as one of the first names on the team...
by claretspice
Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Could the ref decisions over the last 3 games
Replies: 49
Views: 1727

Re: Could the ref decisions over the last 3 games

I'm not sure this sort of analysis is ever especially worthwhile - there's no telling how the game would have panned out had we got the first half penalty on Saturday, for example - but if we want to go down this road then it's got to be acknowledged that our winner against Brighton before Christmas...
by claretspice
Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Crouch is a good signing
Replies: 89
Views: 3585

Re: Crouch is a good signing

The same could be said of most or all combinations/partnerships throughout the team many times earlier this season. It doesn't mean those combinations wouldn't be working now we are playing so much better. True to some extent, but i think the difference us that the combination of Vokes with either ...
by claretspice
Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Crouch is a good signing
Replies: 89
Views: 3585

Re: Crouch is a good signing

Spice, I completely disagree. This season we have played combinations of all of the above, and Sam on his own, so don't think that replacing either Barnes or Wood with Sam would be an issue. The signing is a poor one. No matter which way we dres it up. 15 years (yes, that long) we'd have all been g...
by claretspice
Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our rivals and their signings
Replies: 40
Views: 3269

Re: Our rivals and their signings

Must say I think Fulham might have signed an astute one in Harvard Norveidt. Saw him a few times for West Ham and he was impressive as a midfielder or right back.
by claretspice
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Crouch is a good signing
Replies: 89
Views: 3585

Re: Crouch is a good signing

You think there may perhaps be a flaw with our transfers? Well bugger me sideways, I'd never have guessed. Well we shall find out if it's a flaw in due course. It probably depends in part on how confident the club are in the medium term fitness or Brady and Defour, and how soon Lennon will be back,...
by claretspice
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Crouch is a good signing
Replies: 89
Views: 3585

Re: Crouch is a good signing

I think we have to remember that the only person whose opinion really mattered on this one is Dyche. Vokes doesn't leave without his say so, and nor does Crouch arrive. I presume the thinking is that even if one of Barnes or Wood gets injured, we wouldn't bring on Vokes as a like for like replacemen...
by claretspice
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Transfer Deadline Day
Replies: 413
Views: 16396

Re: Transfer Deadline Day

He knows more than our own journalists. He does, but because it suits him to spin a story, he simplifies negotiations into a serious of chess moves with dramatic effect. As anyone who has ever negotiated any sort of deal knows, it's never quite as static or simple as he suggests. To use a simple as...
by claretspice
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

Nothing is done yet. Crouch/Vokes hasn't been confirmed yet, despite being widely trailed hours ago, which makes me wonder if there's another moving part there. But in any event, there are two different things to be distinguished. The first is our ability to get deals done, and I'll be as disappoint...
by claretspice
Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Transfer Deadline Day
Replies: 413
Views: 16396

Re: Transfer Deadline Day

If we don't do any more business, I'll be disappointed, but I'm not sure I follow how we are weaker?
by claretspice
Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

Nail on head. It would be peak Burnley for Barnes to do his cruciate against Southampton, and just like when Marney got injured the other year, have absolutely no cover at all (I include Vydra and Crouch in that as neither is cut out for 90 minutes at this level). Speaking of when we had no cover f...
by claretspice
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hendrick
Replies: 24
Views: 1664

Re: Hendrick

Yes he OP was at the game, where he witnessed Ashley Young supply the cross for their equaliser, so the second part of your post is clearly ********. Maybe you weren’t... Not really, because the equaliser came from a corner from which our regular set up did not apply and so he was not Hendrick's ma...
by claretspice
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hendrick
Replies: 24
Views: 1664

Re: Hendrick

Didn't think he had his greatest game last night, but you'd have to be a bit of an imbecile to miss the positive effect he had defensively when he swapped wings with McNeil, so I assume the OP wasn't at the game. Instantly, Young ceased to be a threat, because Hendrick's positioning and defensive wo...
by claretspice
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

If it's a player that Dyche really wants then why can't we outbid Southampton, if Vokes leaves then some of that fee can be offset. I really think if we can agree a deal Dyche's personality will seal it. Suggestion is that both us and Southampton want Adams provided space is freed up by Vokes or Au...
by claretspice
Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

Presumably, the logic of Crouch would be to give us "target man" cover for the rest of this season, before bringing in someone else (Jay?) in the summer. If we end up with Crouch plus Adams and Vokes has gone the other way, then whilst I'll be desperately sad to see Vokes go, that doesn't ...
by claretspice
Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Manchester United v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 40
Views: 2750

Re: Manchester United v Burnley - Player Ratings

Funnily enough, I think we've played better at Old Trafford, but we've never been so unfortunate not to get 3 points. What an absolutely herculean effort that was. Heaton - 8 - Only really had to make two saves of note, but made them brilliantly, and was as assuring a presence as the last time he re...
by claretspice
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again
Replies: 34
Views: 1726

Re: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again

Got to be honest, I'm not sure he got a decision "wrong" (as opposed to being one that could have gone a different way - football decisions are not black and white) all night and I'm certainly not sure the United fans around me would agree he overtly favoured United. They were frustrated w...
by claretspice
Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again
Replies: 34
Views: 1726

Re: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again

Not sure you've entirely got the point, but never mind. In no world is it OK to verbally or physically abuse someone because he made an honest mistake, however angry it has made you.
by claretspice
Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again
Replies: 34
Views: 1726

Re: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again

But they don't always do a good job and some are so far up themselves you can't see them. I think it should be fine to criticise them because if they don't get that criticism they will think they never get things wrong. I love it when managers give them stick and it's a shame that those managers ge...
by claretspice
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again
Replies: 34
Views: 1726

Re: ARTICLE: Moss rolling into Manchester again

Those comments from Coleman really are appalling, and the guff about it being straight after the game is no defence. He's obliged to act with a bit of self-control. The truth of it is that these comments come about because managers in particular - but also fans, it seems to me - have got it into the...
by claretspice
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

FactualFrank wrote:As you suggest. Just because we're publically going for a forward, that doesn't mean all other positions are ruled out.


If we are interested in Adams, then I daresay the fact that he's operated out wide in the past is probably an attractive feature for us.
by claretspice
Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

We've also been linked with an interest in him more than once in the last couple of years, so it's entirely possible we've been (quietly) tracking him for as long as Southampton, if not longer - we had a serious interest in him when he was in non-league football so it seems inconceivable we complete...
by claretspice
Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

agreenwood wrote:Sounds to me like we’re being used to get Southampton to cough up more money.


Why's that, AG?
by claretspice
Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: No Sam Vokes ?
Replies: 109
Views: 10848

Re: No Sam Vokes ?

I completely get the argument that we need to "progress" and improve the team. My doubts about jettisoning Vokes are based on two things. 1. I think he performs better for him than the narrative here suggests. I'm pretty sure his goals to minutes on the pitch ratio is better than the equiv...
by claretspice
Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Transfer Rumours...
Replies: 1158
Views: 128204

Re: Burnley Transfer Rumours...

Not seen enough of Adams to genuinely know if he's good enough, but every time I see him he strikes me as a Dyche-Burnley type player. He looks to me to have a bit of a mix of the attributes of Barnes, Ings and Gray - he's got pace and power a bit like Gray, the feistiness that I associate with Barn...
by claretspice
Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: No Sam Vokes ?
Replies: 109
Views: 10848

Re: No Sam Vokes ?

Hope this isn't true because he's still a player I really like and rate - unfortunately, right now, we don't have the other bits in the jigsaw to get the best out of him, but I still think he's got something to offer at this level. He does go, it's another member of the core of the squad that got us...
by claretspice
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture
Replies: 58
Views: 2359

Re: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture

The subtle difference being that, "us as supporters" are not responsible for ensuring the long-term financial security of the Club. That said, there's always a balance to be struck and, when last years accounts are finally revealed, perhaps people will see that balance has become somewhat...
by claretspice
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture
Replies: 58
Views: 2359

Re: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture

The only thing that matters to the BoD, and I mean ONLY, is the £119million that we receive for staying in the Premier League. Dyche will doubtless have been reminded of that when he signed his lucrative contract not long ago. Unless you can confirm you've spoken to Mike Garlick and have first hand...
by claretspice
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture
Replies: 58
Views: 2359

Re: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture

He's picking the team though Royboy. 3 centre backs on the pitch, Taylor at right back, Defour and Hendrick as a midfield 2, Vydra up front on his own. It was only going to end one way (yes I know that it was Man City). Not his fault he's got two senior right backs on the book and both have injurie...
by claretspice
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture
Replies: 58
Views: 2359

Re: ARTICLE: We know the bigger picture

A very fair argument. As long as you have never felt a warm glow when watching clips or listening to stories of our 1960s European campaigns, or FA Cup final loss. Personally. I think that’s what makes us Burnley, rather than, say, Stoke. It means something. We’ll never look back on this era with t...
by claretspice
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Stanley v FLD
Replies: 31
Views: 1819

Re: Stanley v FLD

Have we really reached the point when it's ok to wish physical harm upon a referee doing his best?

No wonder no bugger wants to do the job at grassroots level. No game without a ref.

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