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by claretspice
Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)
Replies: 471
Views: 52405

Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Sounds like you are prepared to take another risk on Defour's fitness. I am not. Cork's performances in 2018 were worrying enough to convince me that he can't assume he starts every week. Well firstly, I agree that Defour's fitness is a concern and I'd prefer that we didn't "take another risk ...
by claretspice
Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)
Replies: 471
Views: 52405

Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Sounds like you are prepared to take another risk on Defour's fitness. I am not. Cork's performances in 2018 were worrying enough to convince me that he can't assume he starts every week. Well firstly, I agree that Defour's fitness is a concern and I'd prefer that we didn't "take another risk ...
by claretspice
Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)
Replies: 471
Views: 52405

Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Its simple we have too many keepers. If we don't get a cm player better than what we have then are almost certain to be in a relegation fight from day 1 imo. I'd say that's a slightly extreme position given how well we performed with Cork and Westwood in that department after Christmas last season,...
by claretspice
Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brighton showing us the way again by early business
Replies: 90
Views: 3754

Re: Brighton showing us the way again by early business

It is clear there are some fans who would rather we waste money now on garbage than sign no one - same every window. That may be true, but we're talking some fans, most definitely not the majority of fans who have commented on this thread, and it's not really relevant to the point the OP makes. It'...
by claretspice
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)
Replies: 471
Views: 52405

Re: BFC TRANSFER NEWS (MUST CONTAIN LINK)

Hoyle didn't want to - he'd only a year left on his contract I think and he had initially turned down an offer to extend. When he changed his mind, Hoyle said now and said he would sell him. I'm not suggesting that this isn't correct - I don't know - but in fairness it seems right to point out that...
by claretspice
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brighton showing us the way again by early business
Replies: 90
Views: 3754

Re: Brighton showing us the way again by early business

I don't think anyone is saying that signing players early automatically results in success, but equally Dyche himself would readily admit that he'd prefer to have players in before pre-season kicks off. We're still a good fortnight away from that milestone, so this is clearly all a bit premature, bu...
by claretspice
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rafa Goes
Replies: 64
Views: 3534

Re: Rafa Goes

ClaretTony wrote:Mourinho is clear favourite


Surely that isn't happening whilst Ashley is at the helm?
by claretspice
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Search for central midfielders begins
Replies: 48
Views: 2090

Re: ARTICLE: Search for central midfielders begins

If you're judging it on the quality they've shown whilst playing for us, it's hard to look beyond the pair who were the engine room that launched us into European contention - Cork and Defour. I'm sure others will vote on other factors, like longevity and legacy - can absolutely see the arguments fo...
by claretspice
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wolves in for Tarkowski
Replies: 243
Views: 17138

Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

I'm not so sure it is such a big ask for a Premier League standard centre half. He's a professional footballer who earns thousands of pounds... I'd be pretty confident that Gibson can play as a right sided centre half. If not, Gibson would come across as a very strange signing given that Tarkowski ...
by claretspice
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wolves in for Tarkowski
Replies: 243
Views: 17138

Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

This, as usual, is a really poor argument. Nobody ever cares if there are two right footed centre halves so why is two left footed centre halves such a problem? Gibson is a very good footballer. He's more than capable of using his right foot and/or maneuvering the ball from a right sided centre hal...
by claretspice
Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wolves in for Tarkowski
Replies: 243
Views: 17138

Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Spijed wrote:What's Gibson, if he isn't ready to step in?


A left sided defender.
by claretspice
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wolves in for Tarkowski
Replies: 243
Views: 17138

Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

And yet the Total Wage bill to Jun'17 was £61.2m compared to £81.6m to Jun'18 when we came 7th. Given inevitable basic wage bill increases since June 17, doesn't that confirm the suspicion that the wage bill (including bonuses) this finished season will be somewhere between 60-80 million, and likel...
by claretspice
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wolves in for Tarkowski
Replies: 243
Views: 17138

Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

I thought I read something where Dyche was recently saying our true wage bill before bonuses was nearer to £60m which implied that virtually all of the extra money we got for finishing 7th is directly linked to the staff / players bonuses. But even if that is true, we will have paid bonuses again t...
by claretspice
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:30 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wolves in for Tarkowski
Replies: 243
Views: 17138

Re: Wolves in for Tarkowski

Seems to me that the technicalities of profit, cash at bank now and cashflow now and over the next couple of years are all being blurred on this thread. I'd be flabbergasted if Dyche doesn't have a (by our standards) substantial pot of money at his disposal this summer even without any sales, given ...
by claretspice
Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Villa splash out 22m on a striker
Replies: 22
Views: 2814

Re: Villa splash out 22m on a striker

He may well prove an excellent player for Villa, and I know very little about him, but at face value it does underscore that there's a bit of wishful thinking in the argument that by looking overseas, you automatically get better value for money. His goalscoring record in Belgium is good but not spe...
by claretspice
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:12 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Saints again on opening day
Replies: 57
Views: 3402

Re: ARTICLE: Saints again on opening day

Good fixtures tbh Possibly the most neutral set of fixtures we've had at this level. No real clumps of games against the top or bottom teams, but also a few decent runs of consecutive games against teams from the middle or lower end of the league to build to enable us to build some momentum. Could ...
by claretspice
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:12 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Saints again on opening day
Replies: 57
Views: 3402

Re: ARTICLE: Saints again on opening day

Good fixtures tbh Possibly the most neutral set of fixtures we've had at this level. No real clumps of games against the top or bottom teams, but also a few decent runs of consecutive games against teams from the middle or lower end of the league to build to enable us to build some momentum. Could ...
by claretspice
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Robbie Brady
Replies: 22
Views: 3300

Re: Robbie Brady

Hi piston broke. "We keep being told this will be Dwights eventual position." You must be right but i cannot recall ever reading that. Quite a few posters - I'm definitely one - have speculated that this might be his best role in the long run, and I know that Jon Walters said when he was ...
by claretspice
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leeds move for Vydra
Replies: 167
Views: 10251

Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Scored one more than Vydra did in 17/18, in 5 more games. And Vydra was played behind the striker. As I said though, the question should be what does Rodriguez offer that we don’t already have? Firstly, in fairness to Jay, I think he's generally been used by WBA as the deeper of two forwards, dropp...
by claretspice
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leeds move for Vydra
Replies: 167
Views: 10251

Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Ok - if you think Dyche would be wrong to sell him, so be it. I'm not getting into an argument about that. Nor am I going to get into a debate about the word "credibly". Suffice to say it wasn't a dig at you or anyone else (I'm not really into that game), it was an observation that - in my...
by claretspice
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leeds move for Vydra
Replies: 167
Views: 10251

Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Have a day off, will you. If people want to come on and argue, they can. That's why UpTheClarets exists. For people to disagree and argue the case. Yep, and I didn't say you couldn't argue it or that the topic should be banned, or indeed that people weren't entitled to have differing opinions on Vy...
by claretspice
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leeds move for Vydra
Replies: 167
Views: 10251

Re: Leeds move for Vydra

Vydra showed glimpses of promise to me, but in his (admittedly brief) appearances for us I'm not sure there was too much evidence to suggest he's likely to become a success at this level. At 27, the combination of all his experiences at this level don't provide any real encouragement to the contrary...
by claretspice
Fri May 31, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Extended home section in cricket field stand
Replies: 219
Views: 9541

Re: Extended home section in cricket field stand

Spice - to your point of where do we put the fans, the same place every club in the entirety of World Football does when they do ground renovations instead of a ground rebuild. By your logic we should never do it! I’m not in the business of ground redevelopment, I will leave the who’s, what’s and h...
by claretspice
Fri May 31, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Extended home section in cricket field stand
Replies: 219
Views: 9541

Re: Extended home section in cricket field stand

So how do other clubs manage stadium redevelopment then? Hearts? Liverpool? Wolves? Well, for a start it's much easier if have spare capacity. Where that's not the case, you've got to make the business case stack up. The cost of building over the Bob Lord would presumably be significant - so it sta...
by claretspice
Fri May 31, 2019 2:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Extended home section in cricket field stand
Replies: 219
Views: 9541

Re: Extended home section in cricket field stand

Fully agree with you. Athough I'm sure most fans can see rightly or wrongly we are the last priority. These impressive profits we keep posting could have probably left a legacy similar to the Barnfield 1 with a complete new stand and a proper spruce up of Turf Moor. What are you doing with the peop...
by claretspice
Fri May 31, 2019 1:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Extended home section in cricket field stand
Replies: 219
Views: 9541

Re: Extended home section in cricket field stand

Can’t imagine it would have cost much more to be honest. I know it’s at a different level but those at Spurs are brilliant, the seats are identical to all the others in the stadium. Even Oxford are now putting rails in. But neither of us know, do we? We evidently had these seats in stock, so they'v...
by claretspice
Fri May 31, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Extended home section in cricket field stand
Replies: 219
Views: 9541

Re: Extended home section in cricket field stand

ClaretTony wrote:So why not put in seats such as those at Spurs and Wolves to prepare for it?


At a guess, Because it would cost more and might be completely pointless if the law doesn't change to allow it, and the relative cost of this is so low it doesn't matter?
by claretspice
Fri May 31, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Extended home section in cricket field stand
Replies: 219
Views: 9541

Re: Extended home section in cricket field stand

I think our general approach to ground improvements has been bizarre. No doubt cheaper and less disruptive than undertaking large-scale redevelopment, but it seems short-termist and akin to putting lipstick on a pig. Surprised at this comment. I can't really see anything to object to in this move. ...
by claretspice
Tue May 28, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Clarets to continue shopping at home
Replies: 78
Views: 4300

Re: ARTICLE: Clarets to continue shopping at home

The daft transfer window caused us problems last year because ours closes before the rest of Europe. We were close to a winger from Hamburg but he hung on and got a move back to the Bundesliga just before their window closed. We know how thorough the manager is in terms of bringing in players, want...
by claretspice
Tue May 28, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Clarets to continue shopping at home
Replies: 78
Views: 4300

Re: ARTICLE: Clarets to continue shopping at home

I'm always slightly surprised at how candid we are in these matters. In many respects, its a great strength to be so honest with fans - but equally it does seem to show our hand a bit. It can't be helpful that Birmingham now know we don't have an alternative from the continent lined up if Che Adams ...
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 10:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salomon Rondon
Replies: 48
Views: 3942

Re: Salomon Rondon

You cant have it both ways. To coin a phrase, Rondons record - not even with assists knocks spots off Woods. I'm not having anything both ways. And leaving aside assists - which rarely show the worth of a centre forward's link up game - I'm not sure how on earth you can reach that conclusion on the...
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salomon Rondon
Replies: 48
Views: 3942

Re: Salomon Rondon

now you've counted every sub appearance as though it were a start, which is nothing if not misleading. So let's use minutes on the pitch last season. Rondon scored his goals every 237 minutes on the pitch, Wood every 255. So pretty darn similar. The year before is obviously very different, with Wood...
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 9:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Good grief ! - Dawson again
Replies: 118
Views: 8977

Re: Good grief ! - Dawson again

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Don't those two comments conflict?


No, unless you think my perception of Dawson is as important as Dyches considered opinion. I don't.
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salomon Rondon
Replies: 48
Views: 3942

Re: Salomon Rondon

Its not like its a huge difference. Wood has 20 over the last two years. Rondon 18. Rondon got more this season, Wood last. In both seasons Rondon played more games, which you've ignored for whatever reason. In that context it becomes a pretty significant difference. Wood's goals to games ratio in ...
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 8:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fabian Delph
Replies: 24
Views: 2718

Re: Fabian Delph

Would improve the squad of every other club on the league bar possibly Liverpool, and his wage demands will reflect it.

Anyone thinking he's remotely in our league is kidding themselves.
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 7:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salomon Rondon
Replies: 48
Views: 3942

Re: Salomon Rondon

Rondon is a much greater all round player than Wood though. Apart from his goals Wood doesn't offer us much else. If we're going to carry on playing direct I'd say Rondon is perfectly suited to us. Even if that were true about Wood's game, the caveat "save for goals" is quite a big one, g...
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Good grief ! - Dawson again
Replies: 118
Views: 8977

Re: Good grief ! - Dawson again

Just in terms of Dawson and the prize tag - the question is surely whether it is worth £15 million to us to replace Tarks - should he leave - with someone who can slot in and perform at a level which keeps us in the premier league next season and ideally a year or so beyond. I'd have thought the ans...
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 1:23 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: If you could re-live one goal celebration .....
Replies: 78
Views: 2785

Re: If you could re-live one goal celebration .....

Keane v Boro - but possibly, because I wasn't there, Francis v York goes into the mix too.
by claretspice
Fri May 24, 2019 1:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salomon Rondon
Replies: 48
Views: 3942

Re: Salomon Rondon

We won't be able to compete with other suitors. But whilst Rondon is a better target man then Wood, fact is Woods overall goal scoring record is better. Their stats are similar last season, but Wood's are much better for 17/18. Indeed Rondon was basically a 1 in 4 man in each of his two seasons at W...
by claretspice
Wed May 22, 2019 1:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Peter Crouch.
Replies: 43
Views: 3731

Re: Peter Crouch.

I must have missed these 10 minute havoc causing cameos Southampton, Palace and Liverpool to name 3 off the top of my head. Arguably also Leicester. He had some impact, and if it's as 4th or 5th option and emergency target man, I'm not necessarily opposed. Neither Wood nor Barnes are the sort of ta...
by claretspice
Wed May 22, 2019 1:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How it is when you don't come straight back up
Replies: 99
Views: 4363

Re: How it is when you don't come straight back up

This is exactly why we have to ensure we don't get complacent. And not investing is probably on a par with overspending! A fine balance to find. But not spending because we are scared what could happen isn't a great strategy. Essential we buy around 3 key players to improve the first 11 this summer...
by claretspice
Wed May 22, 2019 1:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How it is when you don't come straight back up
Replies: 99
Views: 4363

Re: How it is when you don't come straight back up

Anybody else spot the comment in the article that Jay Rod may well be on the move too- simply because he might be too expensive for them to keep? If we want him (and it wouldn’t surprise me if we do!) then it might not be too difficult to prise him loose from West Brom this summer.... Every chance,...
by claretspice
Wed May 15, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bid for Jay then?
Replies: 54
Views: 4149

Re: Bid for Jay then?

Depends what Dyche wants. If he wants a replacement for Vokes as an alternative target man option who could play with either Wood or Barnes and add a bit more subtlety, then Jay is as good an option this summer as he was last. If Dyche wants a totally different option to the main two, then Jay won't...
by claretspice
Tue May 07, 2019 6:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: G Cahill officially linked
Replies: 51
Views: 5104

Re: G Cahill officially linked

No per se objection to this if we need a stop gap replacement for Tarks and aren't convinced by the younger options. We'll need someone in sharpish for pre-season if Tarks does leave so they can build a partnership. Cahill's as good a man for that as any. It would though place a greater emphasis on ...
by claretspice
Tue May 07, 2019 12:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jeff Hendrick
Replies: 63
Views: 4009

Re: Jeff Hendrick

So by NOT following up with more of the same, what are SD’s superior eyes telling us now? I know he knows more about football than me, and anyone else on here. But I know what my eyes tell me. They tell me that the team is doing what SD wants, fair enough, but they also tell me that JH has been was...
by claretspice
Tue May 07, 2019 12:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jeff Hendrick
Replies: 63
Views: 4009

Re: Jeff Hendrick

So by NOT following up with more of the same, what are SD’s superior eyes telling us now? I know he knows more about football than me, and anyone else on here. But I know what my eyes tell me. They tell me that the team is doing what SD wants, fair enough, but they also tell me that JH has been was...
by claretspice
Tue May 07, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jeff Hendrick
Replies: 63
Views: 4009

Re: Jeff Hendrick

Yes they did, but that’s only because stats can be manipulated to suit whatever argument you are trying to make. Funny how everyone KNOWS that, yet when they want to “prove their point” they find some to fit. It’s hard to argue with spices points of where we finished the season, but let’s not forge...
by claretspice
Tue May 07, 2019 9:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jeff Hendrick
Replies: 63
Views: 4009

Re: Jeff Hendrick

One of the first things we need to do this summer is get Hendrick tied down to a new deal. I don't think he did sign a new deal in the summer - as I understand it the club exercised an option to extend by another year. He's a very good player, who is as close to the athletic, box to box, technically...
by claretspice
Mon May 06, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Realistic transfer expectations
Replies: 62
Views: 4372

Re: Realistic transfer expectations

I'm not reading the OP. Needs editing and splitting up. But going off the topic title we need a central midfielder first and foremost. They need pace and good technique. Someone who can get us moving forward at a quicker speed. I'd prioritise good technique and possibly height above pace in the cen...
by claretspice
Mon May 06, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Who do you want to win.the playoffs
Replies: 50
Views: 2019

Re: Who do you want to win.the playoffs

I was hoping for Boro. Now I'd go either West Brom (preferred) or Villa. I don't want Leeds for obvious reasons and I'd rather the pool of clubs with premier league resources stayed as small as possible so I don't want Derby adding to it. Small irony this season is I look at the two promoted sides a...

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