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by claretspice
Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Thomas Frank
Replies: 27
Views: 2736

Re: Thomas Frank

But they did judge it and that's why we had the long wait. They were still checking for a potential foul by Muric when the goal was scored and that check had to be completed before the goal could be given. Per comment above, not 100% sure that is correct. I think they looked for a reason to disallo...
by claretspice
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Thomas Frank
Replies: 27
Views: 2736

Re: Thomas Frank

They did actually look at it which is why we had the wait before restarting. What a farce it would have been if they'd decided it was a foul and given Brentford a penalty rather than a goal. Surely, once they'd scored the check should have stopped. I assume they checked for offside against the play...
by claretspice
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Brentford - MATCH THREAD
Replies: 446
Views: 11331

Re: Burnley vs Brentford - MATCH THREAD

Muric's passing has been delightful in this game, this is what we've been missing. It's less the shot stopping, it's more the build-up play we've been missing with having a keeper who can pick out a penny at 50+ yards while under pressure. If Trafford comes straight back in next match Muric's going...
by claretspice
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Assignon, Esteve and Fofana
Replies: 68
Views: 3999

Re: Assignon, Esteve and Fofana

I think all the chopping and changing hasn't helped him and he's not ready to be the senior defensive partner but I could see him developing into a solid premier league defender. If he'd spent this season playing alongside Mee I think he'd have looked considerably more assured. Although you look at...
by claretspice
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tresor
Replies: 81
Views: 6324

Re: Tresor

I think there is a good player in Tresor and it may well be that he's someone who, if he is here next season (and I have to say the fact he's been so absent since Christmas and now describes himself as a "ghost" does make me wonder if he's below the threshold for the permanent move to be mandatory),...
by claretspice
Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Possible affordable targets for next season
Replies: 82
Views: 4435

Re: Possible affordable targets for next season

What we'll be after depends on what we sell of course, but there are always some relative bargains to be found in the Championship and it'd seem to make sense to be looking for some solid Championship experience and leadership to compliment the callow players we'll have in the squad. There are a cou...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen
Replies: 44
Views: 2304

Re: Cullen

I'm just saying it's a constant and notably worse than Muric's averages. a few % difference is one thing but when it's 10,20 and even 30% higher then it's vastly different. The eye test says similar. Yes but muric was being specifically asked to locate a particular man and the team structure was de...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen
Replies: 44
Views: 2304

Re: Cullen

I suggest the prime culprit for the goal conceded at Spurs was Amdouni, he tries to do a trick instead of protecting the ball. We looked miles better with Muric in goal than we had for any of the previous weeks. The job for our goalkeeper next season is not a sweeper keeper, it's to step out and or...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen
Replies: 44
Views: 2304

Re: Cullen

Disagree. The level of passing Muric has is just outrageous. Again, in L1 Traff had similar accuracy / completion at medium and long ranges as he does right now - he just can't do it. I don't understand the relevance of that stat without a lot more detail about how Bolton were instructing him to pl...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen
Replies: 44
Views: 2304

Re: Cullen

Read my post before commenting. I mentioned a quote from Jed Wallace and was also talking about us in the Championship not the Premier League. To suggest Trafford is on the same planet as Muric on the ball is fanciful at best, their ability to keep the ball out of the net is another argument but Mu...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings
Replies: 86
Views: 4882

Re: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings

I thought O'Shea was poor today, the silly booking and the two goals, but it can't help playing alongside Estève at all. I certainly think that Esteve is being targeted. It looks to me like he's being targeting by balls that require him to turn on the basis it's a weakness in his game. It doesn't t...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O'Shea Booking
Replies: 36
Views: 2572

Re: O'Shea Booking

It was utterly stupid.

He's generally done fine, and I'm not convinced it particularly impacted his defending for either goal, but it's indicative of a lack of the dressing room discipline that was a hallmark under Dyche.
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tad unlucky to lose today- me thinks!!
Replies: 67
Views: 3242

Re: Tad unlucky to lose today- me thinks!!

I don't we was unlucky at all I can't remember Neto having anything to do apart from the free kick. In terms of possession we had the lions share but didn't do much with it. It never looked like we would score & Bournemouth just held their shape & picked us off at will & looked more threatening wit...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tad unlucky to lose today- me thinks!!
Replies: 67
Views: 3242

Re: Tad unlucky to lose today- me thinks!!

Not unlucky at all, pitiful against a very poor Bournemouth side. The one shot I remember was like a pass to their goalie, though we were unlucky with Larsson's free kick almost crossing the line. Shame to see berge having to play centre half again when he's so much better helping the attack. Going...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen
Replies: 44
Views: 2304

Re: Cullen

They will be (if both are still here) but the balance I mentioned earlier is the key to everything. Last season, the ability for Muric to play as an additional outfield player in our build up play was massive, Jed Wallace said we were impossible to press because of this. We weren't impossible to pr...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tad unlucky to lose today- me thinks!!
Replies: 67
Views: 3242

Re: Tad unlucky to lose today- me thinks!!

We played better than of late in the first half. Odobert, Fofana, Brun Larsen and Vitinho all had very presentable chances to score. Unfortunately we conceded the obligatory soft goal. Second half was flat and our decision making in the final third let us down. As the game wore on you could see the...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RATE THE REF - David Coote v Bournemouth
Replies: 53
Views: 2277

Re: RATE THE REF - David Coote v Bournemouth

Tavernier should have walked. He did the same thing as Dara but went unpunished then got a yellow in the 2nd half. It wasn't quite as blatant but I agree, by this point we're dancing on the head of a pin to make the distinction. Either disrupting the throw is a yellow card or it isn't. Taverner pro...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RATE THE REF - David Coote v Bournemouth
Replies: 53
Views: 2277

Re: RATE THE REF - David Coote v Bournemouth

I don't normally rate but i can't understand for the life of me how Semenyo stayed on the pitch. He got booked for pushing Brunn Larsen in the face. He then gave away a foul when he pushed Taylor over because Taylor had got the wrong side of him and was driving at the full back. As Kompany correctly...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings
Replies: 86
Views: 4882

Re: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings

Muric gives us drive and purpose with the ball at his feet, Trafford doesn’t. He’s simply not up to it at the moment - who knows he may be in a few years. Your comments on Trafford and O’Shea baffle me - but it’s all opinions. Indeed it is. I thought O'Shea today was exposed by Esteve alongside him...
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings
Replies: 86
Views: 4882

Re: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:10 pm
Trafford 4 it’s getting cruel now. Serious mismanagement to keep him in.
I think the biggest argument for dropping Trafford is reflected by the scores he's now getting for a perfectly fine performance in which he played to instructions. He's becoming a lightening rod for the teams failings.
by claretspice
Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings
Replies: 86
Views: 4882

Re: Burnley v Bournemouth - Player Ratings

A basically good performance undermined by a couple of poor lapses defensively, a lack of confidence around the opposition box and some understandable but unhelpful and in some cases unfair impatience from the crowd. Trafford- 7 - thought he showed character today. One good save, no chance with eith...
by claretspice
Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:50 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat
Replies: 29
Views: 1442

Re: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat

Hes a very important player for the squad as he as the experience of the Dyche days, which i think is important in keeping a strong hard working core within the squad. However the longer hes in the team the more his limitations show. This has been the case since he joined. I dont understand your co...
by claretspice
Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat
Replies: 29
Views: 1442

Re: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat

Theres an obvious flaw in this plan as well though in Brownhill. He would need to be showing for the ball, getting in the spaces and being able to turn and play forward. He isnt able to do this, he treats the ball like a hot potato which is probably why he has been trying Amdouni there. The one who...
by claretspice
Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat
Replies: 29
Views: 1442

Re: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat

I'd agree with Spice on Cullen. I've been of the opinion all season that our problems are much more to do with tactics than individuals. Cullen for me was hung out to dry earlier in the season. The box midfield would seem to work well when you're in control of a game, but we didn't have that contro...
by claretspice
Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat
Replies: 29
Views: 1442

Re: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat

Last season we had Muric getting the ball to Cullen rapidly giving him time to pick a pass and open up play,this season we have the ponderous Trafford taking an age to play the ball.out giving the opposition time to mark up, Cullen didn't become a bad player overnight, the tactics did though. Altho...
by claretspice
Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat
Replies: 29
Views: 1442

Re: ARTICLE: Substitute Cullen comes out on top in Palace defeat

Cullen and Cork in a 4 2 31 maybe. To be honest I forgot about Cork. I would have doubts about Cork having the physically needed and together with Cullen they may end up trying to occupy the same space... But things can't really get much worse so anything is worth a go. A big feature of the Kompany...
by claretspice
Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Simple vote for Kompany to stay or go…no debate
Replies: 424
Views: 14735

Re: Simple vote for Kompany to stay or go…no debate

I hope Kompany stays, but I also hope there are some changes to the way the club operates. The amount of control that appears to have been vested in one person is a bit frightening. There is no obvious counterpoint to Kompany anywhere in the football side of the operation. Even last week Matt Willia...
by claretspice
Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Selections on Sunday
Replies: 108
Views: 4908

Re: Selections on Sunday

At this level i don't think it's credible to start with Benson and Odobert as wide players. They don't support the full back enough - even if we play with a central midfield 3. Personally I think the root of many of our problems has been a tendency to play with Odobert and Amdouni who are passengers...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Take a look back
Replies: 33
Views: 1745

Re: Take a look back

Definitely a factor, I agree. But re the team changes against City, was it really a good idea to start the opening game of the season with 5 debutants considering the team had just blitzed the Championship? Even more baffling when you consider that Kompany was quite candid in explaining that it tak...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Take a look back
Replies: 33
Views: 1745

Re: Take a look back

Cast your mind back to the start of the season. The first six fixtures - Man City (world champs), Villa, Spurs, Forest, ManU, Newcastle. Robbed by VAR at Forest so 1 point and 15 goals conceded Also a game behind the rest because Luton’s ground wasn’t good enough. What a difference 3 points at that...
by claretspice
Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Aaron Ramsey injury
Replies: 120
Views: 5936

Re: Aaron Ramsey injury

I'm another who finds this sudden bout of proprietorial expectation over a player most have spent the last 6 months denigrating hard to square. The club have to my mind provided plenty of information and I too don't see much difference from the Dyche era. Really, this thread should be about expressi...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Home before the final whistle
Replies: 121
Views: 5346

Re: Home before the final whistle

Cool, that makes sense. From My perspective I enjoyed the fact that the club didn’t buy into all of the myths about football… that you could only play one way, that you had to spend huge money on over valued footballers with questionable morals and attitudes, and I enjoyed that hard work, endeavour...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:47 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Which team wins
Replies: 63
Views: 2143

Re: Which team wins

Muric Roberts THB Beyer Maatsen Cullen Cork Benson Brownhill Zaroury Barnes Trafford Assignon O'Shea Esteve Delcroix Berge Brownhill Ramsey Amdouni Odabert Fofana Which team wins the game? How have we managed to get so much worse?? This season's team wins. For the same reason that, contrary to folk...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The future is difficult to fathom out
Replies: 45
Views: 2468

Re: The future is difficult to fathom out

Catastrophic seasons have hangovers. Sometimes. But it's midnight and it's up to us whether to stop drinking and have a few pints if water to make sure we're feeling a bit better in the morning. That's a choice for VK and his staff, the players, but also fans. 2019/20 Norwich managed 21 points. The...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The future is difficult to fathom out
Replies: 45
Views: 2468

Re: The future is difficult to fathom out

OK let's have a go at an optimistic, but not wholly implausible scenario. We sell a few players this season to rationalise the squad and raise some cash, but keep a core that includes O'Shea, Esteve, Bayer, Cullen, Ramsey, Foster, Koleosho, Zaroury, Redmond and perhaps Amdouni, and bring in an exper...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: What a ******* shambles!
Replies: 142
Views: 7162

Re: What a ******* shambles!

But at what cost? What league will we be in? We've spent BIG money on Trafford and Ramsey. They are on long contracts. The only reason I can imagine they are getting in the team is because club are desperate to flip them for profit ASAP. This isn't pop at them for for their performances or ability,...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RATE THE REF - Jarred Gillett v Arsenal
Replies: 35
Views: 1806

Re: RATE THE REF - Jarred Gillett v Arsenal

The guy never touched Ramsey ,he hurt himself as he avoided the tackle,probably got his studs stuck in the turf. The absence of contact doesn't mean it isn't a foul, of course - any more than the mere presence of contact means it is a foul. As you rightly say Ramsey was injured attempting to avoid ...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: What a ******* shambles!
Replies: 142
Views: 7162

Re: What a ******* shambles!

Personally don’t think the constant criticism of individual players is helpful and it’s probably unfair. There were ironic cheers when Ramsey completed a pass in the second half, just before he went off injured. How does that help a young player? The problem is the squad, not the individuals within...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ramsey
Replies: 47
Views: 5122

Re: Ramsey

agreenwood wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:49 pm
Has he even played 10 games worth of minutes yet?

Way, way too early to write off such a young player.
Spot on.
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Arsenal - Player Ratings
Replies: 79
Views: 4656

Re: Burnley v Arsenal - Player Ratings

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:42 pm
‘Make Turf Moor hell’. Christ how that has backfired it’s been hell for us! Think Kompany has got away lightly so far maybe down to general apathy.
The fixture draw sort of put paid to that notion at source. It didn't really give us a chance to make Turf Moor a fortress.
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The team that I would like to see from here on out...
Replies: 47
Views: 2660

Re: The team that I would like to see from here on out...

Are we not playing with a keeper then, or are you just taking it as a given that Trafford will be in goal? Interestingly when driving back tonight, Dean Saunders on Talksport said Trafford looks, plays and carries himself like a youth team keeper. Trafford is the keeper. Did nothing wrong today. If...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Arsenal - Player Ratings
Replies: 79
Views: 4656

Re: Burnley v Arsenal - Player Ratings

Given how terrible this season has been results wise combined with the lack of effort and fight shown on the pitch by too many players I'm pleasantly surprised at how little hostility there has been on the terraces I don't think accusations of a universal lack of fight or effort are fair, though.. ...
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The team that I would like to see from here on out...
Replies: 47
Views: 2660

Re: The team that I would like to see from here on out...

Go to palace with us much experience as we can muster.

Assignon O’Shea Esteve Taylor
———————-Cullen
JBGBrownhill Berge Odobert
————-Fofana
by claretspice
Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Arsenal - Player Ratings
Replies: 79
Views: 4656

Re: Burnley v Arsenal - Player Ratings

A very tough afternoon. I’ve certainly seen elite teams create more than Arsenal did today - for periods, particularly in the first half, we held our discipline well - but the simplicity of the chances when they came was alarming, as was the reaction to them. Trafford - 6 - oddly had very little to ...
by claretspice
Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Team for Arsenal
Replies: 46
Views: 2726

Re: Team for Arsenal

It's only what he finished with at City and played at home to Fulham. The difference is Beyer would play that role instead of Berge. Beyer could sweep in front of the centre halves, and as I suggested yesterday is comfortable in a back three having played that role for Monchengladbach many times. I...
by claretspice
Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Team for Arsenal
Replies: 46
Views: 2726

Re: Team for Arsenal

If Taylor is fit, and Beyer is fit I'd be tempted to play Bayer as a third centre half with O'Shea and Esteve, Assignon and Taylor as wing backs, Bownhill Berge and Ramsey in midfield and Odobert given licence either side of Fofana. If either Taylor or Beyer isn't fit, then its a 442, possibly with ...
by claretspice
Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Foster and Beyer remain out
Replies: 61
Views: 3803

Re: Foster and Beyer remain out

I think the position with Beyer is relatively straightforward. He's only 23, and has played less than 100 first team games. Quite a lot of those 100 games came at full back and less than 50 have come in either the Premier League or Bundesliga (i.e. top flight). As a result, it isn't a surprise that ...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Shearer ...
Replies: 52
Views: 4133

Re: Shearer ...

Dyche was (and still is) an outlier I think. Outside of the top 6, Everton are the only side barely conceding over a goal a game. Even the Liverpool defence looked ropey when tested yesterday. Luton are billed as the new equivalent to those promoted Dyche teams in the way they play, but it’s not bo...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Shearer ...
Replies: 52
Views: 4133

Re: Shearer ...

One of Trafford's problems that he has been rightly criticised for is decision making. He has developed a nasty habit of vacating his net and making it easy for the forward to score. As on Saturday, the goals aren't entirely his fault, but he ends up in no man's land too many times, three times rec...
by claretspice
Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Liverpool v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 43
Views: 3516

Re: Liverpool v Burnley - Player Ratings

It was terrible play from Amdouni that. A simple ball back inside to Ramsey and we are away. Instead he turns to his blind side and it’s a mess. If the ball had rolled through to him cleanly, I'd agree. Once he had to reposition himself so he was facing our own goal, that was harder/impractical I t...