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Ed Conway @EdConwaySky Here's what the Tory plans imply: a 2.9% avg annual real terms increase. More than during austerity but nonetheless the second-smallest increase of any comparable period since the NHS was created. Far from strongest in a generation it's among the weakest in any postwar genera...

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What a tit.

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martin_p wrote:There’s plenty of people seeking employment not on those two benefits.

I'm referring to the groups referred to in the article linked.

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You do realise that if you are not claiming benefits (JSA or Universal Credit) you are classed as being in work. That's purely what jobless figures are based on. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/17/unemployment-figures-should-be-millions-higher-says-research Do you not agree with exclu...

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Certainly looks onside but city should've had a penalty.

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Good god. You have spent three year telling people they are overreacting when they dare suggest that brexit may cause financial disaster. Yet you now voice your opinion that a labour government will result in financial disaster. Maybe I should have just called you a hypocrite, you might have unders...

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Cork 9
Westwood 8
McNeil 9*
Wood 8
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I agree that from a totally democratic and non party based perspective that if Labour agreed a CU style deal and went to a referendum they should put something like May or Johnsons deal on the table. You could argue that No Deal should also be on there as well but I think Remain / Labour Deal / Joh...

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Heard this a lot (especially on here!) but are we sure the majority wanted to stop freedom of movement? I mean, it works both ways so we lose out as well. You might not be sure which is fair enough but I feel sure it was the single biggest factor without any doubt in my mind. We wouldn't lose out u...

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Keeping those things on the table strengthens the government's bargaining position. Labour's position is not about preparing for further negotiation and strengthening the bargaining position. It seems they want to agree a deal on the basis we stay in the CU with close alignment to the single market...

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Imploding Turtle wrote::lol: ok

Apology accepted

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Yes, the goalposts have definitely moved in the last three years because we were told that voting Leave meant leaving the EU with a deal that would make Leaving easy and uneventful, but now we're being told the only real Brexit is a no deal Brexit. Even if you had been asking prior to the referendu...

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My point was I'm pleased you're finally demanding some kind of explanation as to what kind of Brexit to expect now that the question is being possed to Labour 3 and a half years after the answer would have mattered the most. Do you think I've only been seeking explanations now? And I wasn't demandi...

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Imploding Turtle wrote:That doesn't matter.

So what was your point? Like everyone else I had to judge my vote at the referendum based on the best information available at the time.

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Imploding Turtle wrote:Wait. Now you want specifics about Brexit? Shame you didn't think to ask for them 3 ******* years ago, eh?

I wasnt asking you, but eh?

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Labour's position on Brexit is very middle of the road. Negotiate a leave deal better for ordinary people - which a customs union one would be. I know it would curtail other trade deals for the UK, but the loss of EU trade, and any new trade deals negotiated by the Tories would be worse for UK work...

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ElectroClaret wrote:Haven't seen it yet. Is it something like the David Busst
injury? That was very bad.

Or worse?

Didnt look as bad but still nasty.

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MACCA wrote:Son just pushed him, was no malice etc, was the awkward fall / clash with Aureo ( sp) that broke it.

How VAR hasn't looked at it, is mind boggling.
He had yellow out, saw the injury and thought ouch I'll change it to a red...

Agree, disgraceful VAR did not overrule.

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Never a red card and I feel for Son who was clearly distressed. Horrible injury to look at.

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It's certainly having a negative impact on the game. Should be scrapped.

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Granny WeatherWax wrote:Take it you didn’t watch Westwood last season?

You're right he was excellent last season so it would be ridiculous to write him off. Cork has been good so far this season.

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Yes. Scheduled for Amazon Prime.

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Not sure that was solely down to the formation, we just didn't turn up. Should we drop the 442 because we got a spanking yesterday? I agree it wasn't solely down to formation but it certainly was a key factor - our shape was all over the show. No we shouldn't drop 442 because of yesterday, particul...

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SGr wrote:Not sure if anyone else remembers how much of an abject failure 3-5-2 was, but I do.

Yes, exemplified by the 5-1 defeat to Everton last season.

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I'd stick with 442 because it has served us very well. May be a case for it at some point but don't need a knee jerk reaction just because of yesterday.

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All is not lost yet Frank. We have only had two poor performances all season to date. I fully expect Sean to make the changes over the next couple of games to stop the rot Agree - we've done ok so far despite yesterday's poor performance. The league table is tight but we're 14th currently and most ...

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FactualFrank wrote:See. You can talk sense if you put your mind to it.

Keep it going.

What is wrong with you, you appear to have issues.

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Bowen would be a good signing but if he continues with his form a bigger club will look to sign him. Extend Drinkwater's loan deal and look for a young up and coming right back like Luke Matheson.

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Ego is a massive problem just look at players like Ronaldo and the negative effect he's had.

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Tall Paul wrote:Kante

Great player. But not as good as Hazard although totally different type of player. Hazard won fans' player of the season and players' player of the season last season.

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FactualFrank wrote:That's the whole point. But now it went over your head it won't work, so well done.

It's exactly the point I was making but must have gone over your head.

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Tall Paul wrote:Hazard wasn't even the best player at Chelsea, let alone the best in the league.

Who was better at Chelsea?

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FactualFrank wrote:Leeds know they are pretty much going up, so Phillips is no chance. They'll wait until the summer and then offer him an improved contract.

They'll only go up when you stop saying they are promotion certainties. So carry on.

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We've regressed massively since the 7th position finish. During that season we passed it around and mixed tactics up, yet we've gone back to the same old either a)hoof it to the front two and hole for a knock down, or b)play a long ball into the channel and hope someone gets past the defender to cr...

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jrgbfc wrote:Wilder has already shown far greater flexibility and tactical nous than Dyche.

We read some absolute shite on this messageboard at times but this is right up there.

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How do you know this? Genuine question as I'm guessing there must have been a survey or poll that showed it. Also (another genuine question), how has freedom of movement negatively impacted on Burnley? I'm not aware of a poll. It's based on the many conversations I've had locally which will be a st...

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Support any old Brexit that comes before the house? Labour have been fairly clear about the kind of Brexit they'd support, and neither May nor Johnson have brought such a deal before the house. Labour want to maintain the benefits of the single market. That means freedom of movement. The useless Co...

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Right. But not because of his actions as MP though. That's my point. You're saying Cooper has been **** because as MP she's not done anything for us, but that Birtwistle was a good MP because while he did nothing for us as MP he did do something good before he was MP. You're not comparing apples to...

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I know what you said, i didn't dispute what you said. I'm asking you why you were comparing his fight for A&E from before he was an MP to Cooper's record AS an MP. They're two very different roles. Because the fight helped lead to a major upgrade to urgent care which was delivered while he was MP

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Excuse me a moment, but the A&E closure happened in 2007 before Birtwistle was an MP. Why are you comparing Birtwistle's record from before he was an MP to Cooper's record when she WAS/is an MP? Yes it did and I clearly said that in the post you actually quoted. He campaigned as a local elected...

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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24793/gordon_birtwistle/burnley/votes How does this link respond to my point? And in any case my main point is that Cooper hasn't been a good MP for Burnley. Again do you live in Burnley and if so what do you think she's done locally for her constituents and the to...

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That’s an MPs job - to stand outside a shop. I'm not a Lib Dem supporter but Birtwistle he did a much better job than Cooper. He fought the closure of A&E (which happened under Labour) and we now have a significantly upgraded urgent care centre. He committed an enormous amount of time to local ...

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She’s voted against austerity for one thing, or are you going to say that austerity is good? Bring up her actual record, and criticise it, rather than what you “can’t think of”. I do believe tightening of public expenditure was essential following the credit crunch, yes. Are you a Burnley resident?...

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As for Cooper - I’ve seen all sorts of nonsense on social media about how she “doesn’t represent the interests of the people of Burnley” - but nobody is ever willing to pony up her voting record in its entirety, but instead claim she’s voted against Brexit, even including the vote against the Henry...

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When and by whom was it decided which parts of the report would be released? Seems a little convenient that the next part which will look at the failings of the cladding firm, council and government won’t be released until January after the upcoming election. It's an independent public inquiry. I w...

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It’s increased a great deal since Lansley’s top down reorganisation that CMeron promised we wouldn’t have. When the NHS has been sued for millions over the way contracts have been awarded, I’d say it’s gone too far. - Labour introduced 'any willing provider' in the NHS prior to Lansley - legal chal...

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Spijed wrote:So the Conservatives promised the NHS was off limits as part of any American trade deal did they?

That lie didn't last long.

According to C4 Dispatches everything is up for grabs.

Having watched it last night how have you concluded everything is up for grabs?

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Mee had to beat Vardy in the air. Not Giroud, not Deeney, not Murray, not Carroll but Jamie Vardy. Some people really have their favorites... It was about that specific goal and build up to it, not how good Vardy is in the air compared to others generally. However I believe you underrate his abilit...

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BOYSIE31 wrote:But Vardy was fine to react ??

Yes because his position was different and he was able to attack the ball.

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BOYSIE31 wrote:And Mee at fault for Vardy's goal as he never even jumped with him.

Vardy's goal was one of those instances where the striker was able to attack the ball with real purpose, unlike the defender in this case Mee. Haven't seen it back but I wasn't at all convinced Mee was at fault at the time.

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