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Max Cabs 01282 555555 Get yourself to the New Brew-m for an hour after the game to let the traffic die down, get picked up from there, and you'll be in msnchester for 19:00. Wouldn't envisage it being much more than £40-£50 ( but ring for a quote first, they'll not be beaten on price ) Just be care...

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Of course but its got to be relative. I would say players like Mike Conroy, John Deary and John Pender were excellent players but lets face it they excelled in the bottom tier and maybe did ok in the third but relative to our position at the time they were brilliant Convoy was on the crest of his c...

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Suicide prevention day... and I’m having my worst black dog day in about 3 years. Anyone who thinks mental illness is a fashion, they are very lucky. Fortunately the black dog only visits a couple of days at a time these days. Mind training will soon kick in. Horrible, horribly debilitating conditio...

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It really is not worth trying to discuss anything on here. Enjoy yourselves

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Lancasterclaret wrote:I don't make stuff up and try to pass it off as fact.

Thats what you just did.

Ok I made it up, because you are the only one watching anything on Brexit. It has been debated more than once. But hey ho as usual you know best. So ok

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Lancasterclaret wrote:Thank **** you are not a lawyer.

Thank the same you are not an MP

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I can't believe that anyone who objects to Boris Johnson's legal manoueverings could say with a straight face that the referendum was not binding. Referendums are not normally binding on Parliament. However in this case, said in both leaflet prints that any decision would be enacted... thus making ...

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Politics live on BBC.... four remainders, all with different opinions of how parliament should go forward.

Johnson expected to appeal court decisions to Supreme Court.

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Lancasterclaret wrote:Post 267 was in 1453 I think.

Fall of Constantinople took our minds of Brexit for a while

You’ll all be pleased to know I’m back to the books properly soon, looking forward to a rest from politics.

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martin_p wrote:???

Said I wasn’t being drAwn into tittle tattle again, so I really cannot be bothered.

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Interesting looking at the voting, this pretty much represents the balance of power now. Impressive from Boris https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2019/9/9/e6a9c9c5-86eb-43bb-8822-00c3f2051be5.png I fully expect any documents that are supplied to be heavily r...

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Post 265#7.

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martin_p wrote:Successful! Should be interesting, although I expect the government to ignore it.

If the rumours about Bercow are proved correct, I expect they will far from ignore it.

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If you're able to be serious for a moment, perhaps you can tell us what Labour is supposed to represent? Quite a few posters on here have said Johnson will get a good deal from the EU. He's a leaver, and so is his whole cabinet. He's got a month away from parliament now, to concentrate on it. I won...

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(I'm still not sure if this is a wind-up, if so, good one.) This is entirely concocted in your head. Considering you are able to concoct this in your head, I have to wonder what else, too! Hehe... I did have certain posters in mind tbh. Guilty. I do however think Scotland might come back to haunt t...

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It will happen on the 31st of October . The EU won't extend any talks and no silly new law will be broken as it will be out of our hands. Leave is well and truly back on track. This of course remains an option for Europe who want a conclusion, possibly even if it is the wrong one. I still expect Jo...

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Hey, I'm still left wing - hence my desire to leave the EU. Yes, same here despite so many posters wanting to paint me as extreme right. Just shows how very few actually know what Labour is meant to represent. (Edit) sadly, I don’t see many John Smith’s out there to get it back on track, when even ...

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He we are again with 'Momentum'!!! Momentum do not have the power to deselect candidates (they've got very little power at all, in fact), it is for the members of the CLP to vote for a selection process to be carried out. Momentum are a group of Labour members that help get the Labour message out, ...

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martin_p wrote:Because it was a joke based on your ‘understanding’ of parliamentary procedure.

I’d save gloating until you get your result. Oh hang on results don’t matter in your world.

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[quote="martin_p"]Presumably we can have a referendum whenever we want given the precedence set by parliament voting to have one in 2016.[/quote So why are parliament just forcing that through? Could it be they are not as confident of success as.... a. They pretend b. Remainer’s insist is ...

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So we are not in the middle of a constitutional crisis, everything is peachy in parliament. bercow is beyond reproach and it’s just Boris Johnson who has a case to answer.now we’ve cleared all that up I think we should have an immediate referendum as according to this board, the remain electorate is...

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martin_p wrote:Given that poster is posting today I doubt he was banned.

Hope you are correct, but I have yet to see a post from him... despite my appeals and attempts to clarify his posts real intent to the mods.

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martin_p wrote:The speaker.

Cannot see a problem with that at all given the even handed way he’s seen as doing his job, by all concerned.

Go for it.

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Because it's a humble address, a one-off request to the queen, rather than a new bill. If it set a precedent then they'd be using the precedent from last time round when the government was forced to reveal the Attorney General's advice. So who calls the shots where this is appropriate or where is i...

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aggi wrote:It doesn't. It's a one-off request.

Where does it say that?

If it sets a precedent... it can be used in Law... that is what lawyers use to prove the law.

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martin_p wrote:It’s not legislation that is being proposed, so your understanding isn’t what you thought it was.

If it is passed by parliament it becomes legislation.

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The only precedence set might be the speaker allowing it to be debated, but every time the opposition wanted to see specific paper they’d have to propose a motion and get it passed. There was something similar last year where parliament voted that the government should release the David David Brexi...

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I think you don't understand how parliamentary democracy works. If you have a majority, you can pass bills unless you are stopped by rebels. Its perfectly possible for the H of P to sit like this for years if that is what the opposition want (it would be very stupid though!) I fully understand how ...

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They could ask, but any government with a majority would just vote it down. No they couldn’t. Not once the precedence is set. They could, absolute minimum create delay after delay demanding further information, cross examination etc. Take your tinted glasses off. I may not be a lawyer, but I saw it...

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Bercow announces plans to quit on Oct 31st. Proper f**k you to the Conservatives with that as he's guaranteeing that the H of P will elect the next speaker. Sure the Conservative party are in turmoil at the news. Betty Boothroyd was a good Speaker, Bercow may have well remained seated on the labour...

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Or at least where they don’t trust the leader of a government with a fair sized minority in parliament. In all other circumstances it has little chance of working. Where does it say that? Say labour want to nationalise, once it’s in power (assuming we have left Europe, so they are allowed to). Coul...

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Next we will be having a similar motion that those signatories do the same for all communications they have with the EU negotiating team, EU officials and their legal teams, together with communications with opposition MPs whilst they were members of the Cabinet. And every other act of parliament, ...

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Trying to argue that Johnson is trying to check racism whilst he's trying to normalise racism as part of his dog whistle politics is a tough argument to make (which is probably why most seem to deflect to anti-semitism and the Labour party leaving both sides to bitch and whine and nothing actually ...

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Don't you think thats a bit too simplistic though? Surely you concede that the language being used by politicians and certain media outlets is certainly contributing to it? Absolutely agree Lancaster. Parliament has rarely if ever had a poorer intellect level, on all sides. I am in no way defending...

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You did mention Johnson though. You painted it like his actions are a force of good for combating racism whilst looking to single out Corbyn (before finally backtracking and making it more general about Labour once called out on it several times) for displaying racism. Your views and posts on polit...

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Elwa's actual supposition was that Corbyn likes to pick on Jews whilst Johnson is trying to check racism. The counter argument was have you got any examples of Corbyn picking on Jews and how do you arrive at that conclusion about Johnson when to the contrary there has been high profile examples of ...

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John Mann , Labour MP who's announced hes stepping down to become an anti semitism tsar "Corbyn is an enabler. His unwillingness to undo the damage he has done has had huge consequences. "He's not just an enabler - he's the enabler in this country. "His refusal to sort things out ...

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Funniest thing I ever heard from a manager: Jimmy Mullen at Anfield; “I would have put my house on Liam Robinson scoring that” ( or words to that effect) comedy gold.

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When did Corbyn pick on Jews? See post 13122. If you are genuinely interested, three or four of the usual suspects decided me saying context was vital, before deciding what was racist and what wasn’t; was code for defending racism. One poster decided he would ridicule me... I merely re-posted his q...

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Karma

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ClaretTony wrote:It did

But only often enough to be newsworthy...

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Devils_Advocate wrote:Dominic Cummings talk from 2017 on how how he ran the vote leave campaign. Thought it was really interesting so here's the link in case anyone else fancy's a gander

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDbRxH9Kiy4

Is it long? I really cannot say I’m a fan of his.

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martin_p wrote:To be fair you started it by accusing Corbyn of ‘picking on Jews’!

In retrospect I accept it was a poor turn of phrase, and was meant purely as shorthand for Labour’s much publicised problems.

Which in itself illustrates the point I was trying to make.

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AND THAT is what an ill thought out quote out of context can do.... page deleted and member possibly banned. can we now get away from constantly trying to point score and belittle please and discuss things... like they should in parliament, not as they do.

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It’s always a tricky phrase to pin down, but in this context “political correctness” appears to mean “not being racist”. I mean the whole lot of it. Racism comes from self worth. Self worth is effected by many things, but economic pressure is right up there. If someone says something it does not me...

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Link the times Corbyn has been racist. I really cannot be bothered title tattling with you about who said what, and when. As I said I don’t think political correctness should be seen as the be all anyway. If they spent less time on political correctness, we might start knowing what people actually ...

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A quick smear of Corbyn, and then insist that when a senior government figure calls Muslim women wearing hijabs “letterboxes” that’s neither picking on a minority nor stoking hatred? Everyone has their own bias, but you have no balance at all. You are entitled to your opinion... the letterbox thing...

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Be useful if you can point out where Corbyn has ‘picked on Jews’. Also some examples of Johnson trying to ch ck racism would be good (to counterbalance all the well known examples where he’s fed it). As you are aware, or I’m wasting my time with further explanation; racism increases with economic s...

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But don't you think some of the rhetoric from some Brexiteers has increased the rise of racism towards players like Sterling? In all honesty Spijed apart from a few (and I mean a few ) who have used it as an excuse, (not that they previously needed one) no, it is merely a reaction to a fall in the ...

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Meanwhile Raheem Sterling and other black footballers are saying racism is only getting worse. And Boris has the audacity to say he will heal the racial divide. Because racism doesn’t exist in Europe...oh hang on... Could it be that Parliament waisting three years of running the country to play pla...

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