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by thatdberight
Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

In the scheme of things, a relatively (in the grand scheme of things) short period of pain, for longer term benefit for us all, is surely worth it. The nuisance of lockdown isn't really the issue although, at some point (it's certainly not six weeks), even that does become a balance. It's the damag...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

To be fair , he didn't suggest you may want to change your mind. He asked you for links. You'd prefer I didn't change my mind when faced with a good point and I feel I may have been hasty and made a point that doesn't stand up? There's being wrong and then there's the sort of stupidity you indulge ...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

No, I reckon you're badly wrong now. I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest that old people are launching campaigns for lockdown. Can you find me the links? The campaigns for lockdown are from people who are opposed to any and all coronavirus deaths. On the other hand, I have seen letters from...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

The one question that has been bugging me is Why haven't full families or full households died from the Virus? If it's as catchy as made out you would think everyone in a house where one person catches, they all would? Or has there been cases that I have missed? Because hardly anybody except old, s...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

He explains it fairly clearly and his explanation plus his experience and understanding around these kind of political and legal statements is something I find very interesting and a very solid take. The bigger story for me is the farcical u-turn and back tracking which as I have stated really does...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

I posted the retraction on the Covid thread likening it to something out of 'Im the Thick of It' Lots of discussion about it on Twitter but personally think this dissection is very interesting https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1252683231981338626 I genuinely don't see what's difficult abou...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

The nature of these things is that the curve will take many, many weeks to get down to low digits (cases, not deaths), and would do no matter how high it rose. Unless this is stamped out completely, more or less, the exponential rise will happen again in short order. The lockdown will have to exist...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

The question was raised about those countries that have fewer deaths and the correlation with wearing masks, I responded and gave my opinion. I’m sure there are those at the WHO have many views on this which vary from the official line. I understand the official line and I also reasoned as to why t...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

What about Conservative voters and leavers who have similar concerns about how the government is handling this crisis,or don't we count,strange post that one by Jimscho,and as for the spelling,dear,oh,dear,when do the schools return again. :roll: Yes, we do count. I wasn't intending to imply that t...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

No, read it again. I have deduced using logic that they should mean everybody based on the fact that some people are carriers and can be sick, but show no symptoms - ergo, should be wearing a mask. Logic states that in order to include that group, then all people should wear a mask. I'm sure that t...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

To all the Labour supporters and remainders on here who are doing nothing but knock the government.Tough you lost the referendum you lost the election and you lost Brexit.Get over it.You and I know who you are you appear on every thread like this with your negativity.This is a time for the county t...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

The fact that some people are carriers and show no symptoms means that they meet the criteria for being sick. Extend that logic and you don't know who is sick and who isn't; therefore everybody should wear a mask according the the WHO. So when the WHO say that only people who are sick and showing s...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Cute. I don't have any suspicion mon frere, i was merely summarising what the tweets said, but nice try. As I said in my post, very clearly, it's hard to tell what's gone on as those responsible for the tweets were doing more investigating. Good news if it's entirely innocent (I haven't looked into...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

And how did you get to Wikipedia?........get a life! You see the bar at the top that says "www.uptheclarets.com...." We call that the "address bar". I clicked on that and then keyed "wiki" Because I've used wikipedia before, it offered me en/www.wikipedia.org as an option. I clicked on that. I hope...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:00 pm
Wow!......you can use Google too.
No. Wikipedia. That's why I said "According to Wikipedia". ****, you're another thick one.
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

paulatky wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:58 pm
...she doesnt understand the economy.
She's found her match.

(Pitiful attempt to justify the multiple IDs after a week by the way .... but at least you tried)
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sir Richard Branson
Replies: 103
Views: 5087

Re: Sir Richard Branson

tim_noone wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:31 am
Exactly...pump £500 million of his own cash in.
Most of his value is in the ownership of the very companies that are in danger of going bust. Not a brilliant bit of collateral to offer...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wheres Boris...
Replies: 307
Views: 9435

Re: Wheres Boris...

Well, they just produced Billions out of thin air.......eventually prices will rise to compensate, diluting the value of your Pound. You have a better idea? Since most of your interjections are only a sentence or two long and just verbal sparring, some more detail of your view would prove .... emm....
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1252266724449230848?s=19 It will be interesting to see what comes out of this - its essentially the dept of health or their marketing agency has created a load of fake Twitter accounts purporting to be nhs workers posting in support of herd immunity and the governme...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

paulatky wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:45 pm
Drivel that in tbe main has turned out corret.
If anything the bad news I underestimated
What about uptheclarets? What has he got to say about it?
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

Agreed we do need to get out of this phase soon,which is why we'd better hope the cabinet has a strategy to exit the lockdown,given their erratic performance so far i have my doubts,even worse there's rumours that a split is emerging,that's the last thing the country needs at this critical point. H...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

Can I just say, it's nice to have paulatky back on this thread. A proven liar on so many levels, we've missed all of his IDs posting their drivel on this topic.
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

Until there are suitable treatments and a vaccine we can't just go back to normal though. We'll have to keep our distance wherever possible for quite a while yet. The one thing to come out of all this is the mistaken belief that it's just like seasonal flu. You don't get fit, healthy people who get...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:50 pm
The month that one of the UK's most immoral and opportunistic offenders was brought to justice. Shipman was sent to prison too.
I imagine you're here all week.
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

I honestly can't say I remember that week in January 2000 when more people died than at the peak of this Covid19 outbreak. Can't even remember it being on the news? According to Wikipedia, that month's big events in the UK were: Japanese carmaker Nissan adds a third model to its factory near Sunder...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is a regionalising of Div 1 and 2 the way forward
Replies: 22
Views: 1100

Re: Is a regionalising of Div 1 and 2 the way forward

I can't remember the regionalised DIvision 3, was Divisions 3 & 4 when I started but I'm sure I read once that Walsall were the club who had to move from one to the other. It's logical that if anyone did it would be them given where Walsall is geographically. Yes, Walsall were usually the team that...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

Masks: "The World Health Organization (WHO) has said that only two groups of people should wear protective masks, those who are: sick and showing symptoms caring for people suspected to have coronavirus" And this from the BBC who are leading the charge for this latest meaningless restriction of our ...
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wheres Boris...
Replies: 307
Views: 9435

Re: Wheres Boris...

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:07 am
I think it means your money just got diluted!
You don't make any sense. Apart from, hopefully, to yourself.
by thatdberight
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Covid-19
Replies: 13866
Views: 285596

Re: Covid-19

Turns out the only way to stop people dying is to kill them... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52361519 Despite histrionics above, more evidence that we need to get out of this phase sooner rather than later. Both for economic and social reasons but perhaps the medical counterbalance is more nuanc...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:16 pm
...whilst maintaining discipline...
A fairly broad definition for you which includes shouting "War Criminals!" it seems...

FWIW I certainly don't disagree with your last point even if I think it's hard to see exactly what's going on.
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

I'm sorry but if you saw someone about to put out a fire with petrol, you'd advise them to think again not say, "Well, let's see what happens, now is not the time to question anybody's decision-making."................. And if you were in the middle of a fire and somebody suggested we take two peop...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wheres Boris...
Replies: 307
Views: 9435

Re: Wheres Boris...

My thought was that Boris had just gone ultra-cautious due to the flak that is currently flying around. Further extensions to the lockdown would be hard to accept for a lot of people if the trend of the last two days' deaths continued. I really think they'll struggle to do that. I don't think 50% o...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:03 pm
Shame as you'd have the competition sewn up. Don't underestimate yourself.
I wish I could be as jaundiced as you.
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Given ST wrote about 38 days, where day 1 was 24th Jan, I'd suggest that Horton's post on 24th Jan is a "material" point. I think we all agree it's important. Whether it was written just before midnight on 23rd or 7a.m. on the 24th isn't important. To argue about the timing is to miss the point he ...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Hi qb, I don't use Twitter (at least I haven't done, yet), so I'm puzzled by the exchange re Horton's Twitter time zone. A little google I came up with this: ************* How to change time zone on Twitter? To change your Twitter account's time zone setting Sign in to your account on twitter.com. ...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

It could indeed be a straw to clutch. Seems an odd thing to have your account set 8 hours behind but I guess someone might have a reason to do so. Anyway, matters not in the grand scheme of things, just continuing to poke some fun at the lack of objectivity so many of you have. If your Twitter acco...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wheres Boris...
Replies: 307
Views: 9435

Re: Wheres Boris...

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:26 pm
It is all too late. They failed miserably and cost lives, unnecessarily.

War criminals!
Unhinged.
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Sounds like something one might read in the Sun. Or The Guardian as it happens. Which you doubtless regard as the very epitome of journalistic integrity (apart from The Morning Star). https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/apr/10/world-health-organization-who-v-coronavirus-why-it-cant-handle-pandemic
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

What, you're saying that the French intercepted a load of kit that was contractually committed to be sold to the UK, and forced someone to break their contract? Evidence? Because that sounds far-fetched. Sorry to shatter your illusions. Reported here. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/apr/10/wo...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wheres Boris...
Replies: 307
Views: 9435

Re: Wheres Boris...

Does this include the poster, a right-wing bloke, running at least two accounts with one of them posing as female ? If that's true (and I see no evidence it is) then he's much much cleverer (or genuinely suffering from a personality disorder) than his primary ID suggests. Just because it gets repea...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wheres Boris...
Replies: 307
Views: 9435

Re: Wheres Boris...

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:29 pm
No idea what that means but whatever you say.
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:23 pm
He's got them bang to rights I'm afraid. They said his tweet was on the 23rd when it was on the 24th.
That could simply be somebody's Twitter account setting (although, yes, obviously UK time it was sent on the 24th)
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by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wheres Boris...
Replies: 307
Views: 9435

Re: Wheres Boris...

First thing I noticed as well. Pen of Cummings I'd have thought. Unfortunately for them, they couldn't say that as it applies equally to their rebuttal. I couldn't say. He's just a bloke in some newspaper headlines to me and I know nothing of him really other than him becoming some sort of bogeyman...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Spijed wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:58 am
That's why the figure of less that 300 dying in UK care homes isn't true and is a downright lie.
So I ask myself does this person already have a viewpoint that means he's likely to call it a lie... 🤔
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

DCWat wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:38 am
The confirmation bias brigade are out in force on this one, I see.
All biases present and correct being confirmed on all sides.

As you were.
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Ironic how the Brexiteers are now desperately relying on the EU and other countries to provide us with PPE. Meanwhile companies in this country are offering to help and hitting a brick wall, is this what taking back control looks like? I don't recall anyone proposing Brexit suggesting we were going...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:41 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Piers Morgan
Replies: 62
Views: 4159

Re: Piers Morgan

I have Morgan down as a professional gobshite based on the few occasions I've seen him for a few minutes and his reputation. But then I've just seen Jeremy Vine who appears to be broadcasting for three year olds / with all the intellectual rigour of a three year old. But then anyone on ITV / Channel...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

BurnleyAce wrote: ...what we should have done by 1st Feb is... Immediate full lockdown...
Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:21 am
...instead of us being out of lockdown now we wouldn’t be in 1 in the first place with them measures...
I literally couldn't make up someone whose posts are as devoid of intelligence as yours.
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Excellent post, you could have said though instead of us being out of lockdown now we wouldn’t be in 1 in the first place with them measures enacted by the 1st February, you reap what you sow in lots of ways & that’s no slight to the people powerless & engaged in the current struggle. Are you sure ...
by thatdberight
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Replies: 657
Views: 17226

Re: Sunday Times - 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster

Why would you think otherwise, after all we are just a piddling little nation in the North Atlantic that has never known what it is doing. Everywhere is better than here. Not at all. But I think they'll have done this better because of a number of structural and cultural issues that don't particula...