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by aggi
Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

Apparently it’s because ‘we’re more sociable’. Translation - our economy is too dependent on the service industry. This is actually the EU's fault. I'm not sure exactly why but Ringo was very adamant that the EU had a master plan to let Germany do all the manufacturing, France the farming and the U...
by aggi
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 3 years ago today
Replies: 26
Views: 1086

Re: 3 years ago today

The patronising Chelsea fans were pleasantly quiet in the White Horse after the game.

I was getting loads of messages at half time saying "Burnley are top of the league". Sadly we didn't quite hold on for that in the second half.
by aggi
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Funniest thing you have seen at a football match
Replies: 60
Views: 2253

Re: Funniest thing you have seen at a football match

Post-match reaction to Preston losing
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Going to Boro and discovering that the goalkeeper making his full debut was Stuart Ripley's son. He received dog's abuse throughout the game, had a shocker and never played for them again.
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

I presume dsr has no issues with these migrants/refugees crossing the channel. After all, they’re just doing what they think is best for their families, so it doesn’t matter if they’re breaking any rules or laws. A lot of people have been incredibly strident in pointing out that All Lives Matter. H...
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

I saw your words but am still confused. The issue was that there was no agreement to do U.K. border checks in Amsterdam like there is in Paris and Brussels so the Eurostar from Amsterdam had to stop in Brussels for border and security checks. I’m not sure why Belgium would be involved in an agreeme...
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexi

In reality though that doesn't really stand up scrunity as so far regarding brexit I've been right far more times than I've been wrong & I think if you was to really analyse what's been said you would begrudgingly admit this despite disagreeing from an entrenched remain point of view, I've always m...
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

Who was the row between? The border checks are necessary because the train is going to the uk which isn’t in the Schengen Area. The Dutch Government were refusing to sign off it seems. Interesting conspiracy theory is that it's because they're worried about the impact on passenger numbers at Schipo...
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Modern Day Things That **** You Off
Replies: 152
Views: 4228

Re: Modern Day Things That **** You Off

The idea that driving 250 miles counts for a holiday counts as a "staycation".

Those people who are perpetually offended at people they call perpetually offended.
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

But the member states are the EU. So does that mean that they're not independent of...themselves? Have you learnt nothing? The EU is an entirely separate entity from its member states and does whatever it wants regardless of what the members want. That's what happens when unelected politicians rule...
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexi

I’m not questioning the unemployment figures nor whether they are raising sufficient income. You’ve got all walks of society earning a crust some honestly some dishonestly I feel as if we could potentially be straying off course here, nobody is right nobody is wrong here as it’s absolutely impossib...
by aggi
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: James Tarkowski in the news
Replies: 59
Views: 6294

Re: James Tarkowski in the news

Related to this topic there was an interesting snippet in the Athletic that Brentford bought out Oldham's sell-on fee for Tarkowski for £200k.
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

It was actually based on tax evasion that's what the 25% figure stated, it's absolutely rife people working cash in hand, so you've got the illegal immigrants here which is a uncertain but high number, you've potentially got taxi drivers, near enough every service offered on Facebook again file und...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

No I'm seriously suggesting 25% as a whole percentage doesn't comprise of illegal immigrants I never stated there did, but for some strange reason you are choosing to neglect anybody else within the 25% & concentrating on the illegal immigrants in order to reduce the percentage, if you go back to m...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Coyle has a new job.
Replies: 83
Views: 4222

Re: Coyle has a new job.

Without the efforts of Mullen, Stan & Cotterill along with the financial backing he wouldn't have been able to get us promoted to the Premier League, how far back do you go ? I can see that argument. I'd say Coyle as we were in a downward spiral under Cotterill and Coyle's achievements effectively ...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:27 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Coyle has a new job.
Replies: 83
Views: 4222

Re: Coyle has a new job.

And someone clearly doesn't remember that just 3 and a bit years later we were selling our star forward hours before a new season started, for a bit of loose change because we were pot less. Played a big part in where we were in 2012, but not 2020. Well we were "pot less" but we still had enough mo...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?
Replies: 168
Views: 4842

Re: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?

I thought the point of the journey was the Mr Cummings thought that he had got the first stages? Maybe it was just that he thought it was likely he would get it? At that time the general opinion was that it was very contagious and members of the same household would be likely to catch it from each ...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:50 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-53075318 The home office have even admitted themselves there don't know how many illegal immigrants are here but you doubt my estimated figures!!! Well yes, because the estimates are terrible. Taken from the article The last official estimate in 2005 found about 43...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:04 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?
Replies: 168
Views: 4842

Re: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?

I think the problem here is that "ill" has shades of meaning. Most words in English do, in fact, but it does give people the chance to argue that the word can only have one meaning and they know what it is. Not saying you're doing this, just sdaying how misunderstandings arise. If you feel dog roug...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:01 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?
Replies: 168
Views: 4842

Re: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?

Think we can add Dawn Butler to the pot now. Her black friend was not only white but he was actually driving. Who'd have thought it eh? Not only is that a lie but it is actually fabricating the truth to pursue a racist narrative. This is a weird lie given there is a video and he's clearly not white...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?
Replies: 168
Views: 4842

Re: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?

Although it's all pretty irrelevant now. The weird thing is the refusal to release any evidence. I can understand the refusal to release it to the papers. After all, one of the areas that Cummings specialises in is exploiting personal data so he may be fairly protective of his. The strange bit was w...
by aggi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?
Replies: 168
Views: 4842

Re: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?

Are you saying it was unreasonable for anyone in April to think that coronavirus might kill them? I think the death rate then was quite a lot higher than it is now, and we knew a lot less about it. Which parent wasn't ill? Father Cummings was not suffering too many symptoms at the time, but bearing...
by aggi
Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7878413/Slum-landlord-fined-1-500-cramming-30-desperate-tenants-disused-crumbling-care-home.html That's just 1 reported we know about, how many more exist we don't know about? You tell me. You want me to tell you how many of something we don't know about exi...
by aggi
Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

How do you realistically know how many people aren't working cash in hand or aren't illegal immigrants undetected? Yes it's 1 thing to accurately be certain about regarding the PAYE but how can you realistically be accurate about something nobody really know nothing about, you can't, an estimate is...
by aggi
Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

If you want to challenge my estimate there’s nothing stopping you, you would gain more respect by that method of countering my post, my estimates are taking into consideration the illegal workforce within the towns & cities thus increasing the overall percentages. Equally you could give some basis ...
by aggi
Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Coyle has a new job.
Replies: 83
Views: 4222

Re: Coyle has a new job.

A big part :lol: We were losing money, youth set up in bits, floating about in mid table of the Championship and didn't know our arse from our elbow when Dyche arrived. If you want 'a big part' , look no further than the man who is in charge now. Anyone who thinks that Coyle didn't play a big part ...
by aggi
Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?
Replies: 168
Views: 4842

Re: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?

Is that how you describe being stuck at home with a four year old child, no childcare available, and both parents possibly fatally ill? "A bit inconvenient"? For someone who spends a lot of time on here talking down the risk of coronavirus it's a bit of a stretch suggesting that both parents were p...
by aggi
Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

Realistically speaking you are probably looking at 25% of the UK workforce working illegally & evading tax & other deductions viewing as an estimate, it might appear high but that's also including UK nationals scooping cash in hand you can deduct from that to find the real figure, whichever way it ...
by aggi
Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

On a more positive note, UK and Japan look to seal trade deal within month https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53697547 This would be a significant deal to tie up before we officially leave the EU. This does look positive and it's good that we're finally getting ourselves into gear. It will be inte...
by aggi
Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

It's a very good point, and it shows again how useful it is to be a nitpickers' mitpicker when it helps you avoid the fundamental point. The fundamental point being that the Gotthard tunnel is a railway line that goes from outside the EU to inside the EU with no apparent problems. Whether the line ...
by aggi
Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

Hi aggi, my understanding of the Treaty is that ECJ is only involved in appointing chairman of arbitrators if, within 2 months period, the two arbitrators appointed by the UK and French euro-tunnel commissioners haven't made that appointment... There are also provisions that would preclude a nation...
by aggi
Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Salary Caps in Leagues One and Two
Replies: 44
Views: 1300

Re: Salary Caps in Leagues One and Two

Will we not see some rule bending regardless? Players being “employed” at the owner’s other business or players being classified as academy coaches? Or maybe another Derby situation with Tom Ince’s mum getting a job. I imagine the first thing would be to TUPE all your turnstile staff, coaches, stew...
by aggi
Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

The Gotthard Tunnel between Switzerland and Italy might be a good place to start looking. How do they do it? I'm pretty sure that the whole tunnel is in Switzerland. Anyway, there is limited ECJ jurisdiction in Switzerland so similar things may fall under that or one of the other treaties they've s...
by aggi
Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

Hi aggi, what's wrong with the Treaty of Canterbury? That's the bilateral agreement that was signed by UK and France to provide all the rules for the Channel Tunnel - some years before Maastricht. Has the EU also asked that the Common Travel Arrangements between Ireland and UK to be revised? That's...
by aggi
Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

To at least an extent, they are just looking for problems. Signalling systems? Are they seriously suggesting that the signalling system in place will become an issue because of Brexit? I'm sure countries have had joint ventures in the past without one country being subject to the other country's la...
by aggi
Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's not just about Brexit
Replies: 498
Views: 12474

Re: It's not just about Brexit

This is going to be awkward and the kind of thing that we are going to see repeatedly https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/30/brexit-european-court-row-puts-eurotunnel-operations-at-risk Some posters on here like to simplify trade deals down to free trade/tariffs and that's it but it was al...
by aggi
Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?
Replies: 168
Views: 4842

Re: Is Johnson capable of telling the truth?

What that article carefully does not say is whether or not the goods provided were made to the specification requested. It says that the fastenings were behind the ear instead of behind the head, and therefore unsuitable for NHS use. (Airedale hospital certainly used some behind the ear fastening m...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

I don't think EBITDA can really reflect the risk of relegation from the Premier League. The value of Burnley FC is more or less totally wrapped up in its Premier League place, and models based on past history can't cope with that. When I've done this in the past for clubs that are at potential risk...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

Or conversely, you use a broker who values your company using an ebitda model consistent with your industry which will dictate the value of any shareholding of the business. You could do that but given there's a tiny market for a (very, very) minority shareholding in BFC and it is mainly driven by ...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: James Tarkowski in the news
Replies: 59
Views: 6294

Re: James Tarkowski in the news

It could also be us not willing to pay the fee, it costs you more in the long run, especially when you end up with a Pope or Tarkowski worth 50m + each. Well that's when players appreciate. If we'd paid extra for Hendrick, Brady, Gibson, etc to avoid a sell-on then it wouldn't be quite as good. Sel...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:55 am
I can confirm that Parklane Textiles is Brian Nelson
Yes, that's one I could find. It's technically Brian and Sandra Nelson (his wife it seems). Can't say I know much about him
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

How would a shareholder (even with only one share) put their share(s) up for sale? Advertise privately and sell it for whatever the two people agree it is worth. There's no real market as it's a private company and all those little shareholdings make up about 6% of the total shareholding so they're...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

claretandy wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:42 pm
I think the minimum to become a director is a 1k shares, i.e £200k.
I can't imagine they'd be selling them for £200 now, that would be a significant undervaluation.
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

claretandy wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:49 am
Aren't the shares sold at £200 each ?, all depends on what an investor values the club at.
They were many years ago (when they were probably worth much less). Now there isn't really an avenue to buying shares so it's whatever you can persuade an existing shareholder to sell for.
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: BFC shareholders - CO. UTC Limited, Braeburn Trading Limited, etc
Replies: 2
Views: 559

Re: BFC shareholders - CO. UTC Limited, Braeburn Trading Limited, etc

Yes, that's what I assume. Just curious as to what's what.

This can probably be merged with the investor thread.
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

My understanding is that since 2017 Mike Garlick owns 60,308 shares which represents 49.24% of the total Share Capital. John B next with 28.2% and the remaining five share 16.36%. The balance of shares, just over 6%, are distributed amongst 1,800 BFC shareholders. Yes, I think I've underestimated t...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

A silly question but what is actually being bought, for that price. When the club has at least three players, whose value would be in excess of 30, 40 or 50 million, where does their worth come into the 50 to 80 million? My back of a fag packet calculation was valuing the whole club at about £250m ...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: BFC shareholders - CO. UTC Limited, Braeburn Trading Limited, etc
Replies: 2
Views: 559

BFC shareholders - CO. UTC Limited, Braeburn Trading Limited, etc

Just looking at Burnley's shareholdings and there are a few companies like the above and Bideford Trading Limited and Rothbury Trading Limited that don't appear to be UK companies. I assume they are most likely BVI companies or similar.

Any idea who owns them? They make up about 25% of the ownership.
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Investor
Replies: 450
Views: 24126

Re: Investor

The "investor " buys the shares from the directors at a profit for them, they are quids in, the investors promise substantial funds ably spent by some French, Dutch,Portuguese, Italian or Spanish (delete as appropriate) to fund their outlay and promises they sell Pope Tarks Taylor etc when it goes ...
by aggi
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Eddie gone
Replies: 244
Views: 10346

Re: Eddie gone

Tindall being tipped to take over at Bournemouth which seems a bit surprising.
by aggi
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New Kits 20/21
Replies: 330
Views: 23965

Re: New Kits 20/21

I do see the understanding behind this but I’d be buying the same kit twice for my kids if that was the case as they’d outgrow it after each season. I don’t agree with releasing three new kits a season though, keep an away for the alternative if needed the season after. We could easily keep the gre...