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by Lancasterclaret
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Hells bells lads, this is one of those very rare times that you are both right.

Thomas Cook does have an outdated economic model, and there is no doubt that Brexit is causing problems in the travel sector.
by Lancasterclaret
Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Brexit party has more diverse MEP's than any other party. And that means jackshit if they all abstained Andy I mean, the whole idea of them is they stand up for Britain surely? What better chance to prove to people like me that they are not what say they are? All they had to do was to vote in favou...
by Lancasterclaret
Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

On the contrary, two Brexit party MEP's spoke in the debate, calling for " actions not words " from the EU. One read out the names of imprisoned women in Iran, including the lady concerned ..... The E.U. nations, especially the French, are investing heavily in Iran ... despite their breac...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I think it's entirely due to the amount of time spent on here. The constant exasperation one experiences, it gets to you. Over time it gets harder and harder to put yourself in the other person's shoes (which is essential whether you simply want to win an argument or, preferably, to help illuminate...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I am happy with a no deal Brexit. The world will not end. Yes I accept there will be issues but no one really knows what they are. Then get some trade deals done, one hopefully with the EU. You do understand the very first day of "No Deal", the status of European citizens, the divorce set...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

CrosspoolClarets wrote:In least surprising news of the day, BeLeave have been found by the Court of Appeal NOT to have breached funding rules. So all the hysteria was incorrect.


Just the lies now then?

Jolly good
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I really used to like your posts on this subject IIBYW. On this forum there are too many leavers (knowingly or unknowingly) willing to lie, misrepresent and post things without any care to fact check which makes having a reasonable intelligent discussion virtually impossible (polite or otherwise) Y...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... isis-video

Dunno if anyone is a fan of the John Harris "anywhere but westminster", but the latest one is good and depressing in equal measure.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

If it be your will wrote:Only if you take your remainer glasses off first!


True, but to me it sums it up pretty well (which kinda makes your point!)
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Norwich predicted scoreline
Replies: 49
Views: 1193

Re: Norwich predicted scoreline

2-1 I hope

Be nice for it be a goal frenzy but I'm not sure we'd end up on the right side of one of them
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

If it be your will wrote:I mean, look dsr. Is this answer for real or what??


You are going to have to take off your leaver glasses if you think there is something wrong with that!
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Brexit secretary being less than conciliatory in a speech from Madrid

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/11 ... 5229181953

Hopefully for internal consumption, but this doesn't look good if we are serious about a deal.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

dsr wrote:I thought that the line "This guidance is for England" made it clear enough. I'll make it a lot more obvious next time.


Just make your posts factually correct would be a start
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

And I still manage to be polite. You think, and you are fairly representative of Remainer zealots in this, that firstly Brexiters are stupid to a greater or lesser extent, and secondly that clever people have the right to be rude to stupid people. Obviously I dispute the first as a matter of fact, ...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Martin or nil. We all want a deal in the end. Anyway, the trouble is I suspect a lot of what you read is written by zealots, knobheads and liars (joke - yes, I'm saying that you should practice a bit of the tolerance you preach and stop being so extraordinarily rude to dsr - he just has a different...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardell ... -submitted

And there we go. Some ideas submitted.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Probably a fair analysis. It just seemed an odd thing to say ("it's over") but maybe he didn't intend to say it or mean it to sound threatening. Whilst the ridiculous grandstanding by the Luxembourg PM was clearly designed to give him his 5 minutes of fame, we are all human and maybe this...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Trains messed up again. Time for another post. Does it really matter that there's a bit more "paperwork?" Is all this paperwork so demanding that everyone will give up? Again, it matters when it suddenly becomes relevant for most of your exports on Nov 1st, when it wasn't on Oct 31st. And...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Anyone know what our Finnish and French Friends meant when they said we had 12 days to produce the goods or else "it's over". Did they mean over as in we leave with no deal or over as in we can't leave? Yeah, we have to produce concrete proposals as an alternative to the current Withdrawa...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Olympiakos
Replies: 20
Views: 1965

Re: Olympiakos

I wanted Spurs to stuff them 6-0, with all six goals being well dodgy.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:32 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That's not the argument.

Will there be more or less paperwork for farmers post Brexit?

Apologies for the Ringo line of questioning but it's one of those questions where there is only one answer, and you know it as well.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Good morning, Lancs. Is it a surprise to you that there's a lot of paperwork required for the movement of agri-animals? Are you concerned that the paperwork to export beyond the EU is even more extensive that the paperwork within the EU? For me, all it demonstrates is that exporting firms are used ...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Fascinating This is for EU export https://www.daera-ni.gov.uk/articles/exporting-pigs-great-britain-and-eu-member-states But it turns out you need MORE paperwork for non-EU exports New Zealand https://www.gov.uk/export-health-certificates/export-pig-meat-to-new-zealand-certificate-7653 China https:/...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:50 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

No, I'm amazed. Frankly, I hadn't realised that until now, meat exports were subject to no health checks, no vet inspections, no paperwork, no customs or VAT forms, no farm licensing. I hadn't realised it was so easy. You'll be telling me next they're going to have to put tags in cows' ears after B...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

If it be your will wrote:Your post I could at least get my head round. Martin's, no.

Oh well. Let's just sit back and see what the hell happens.


I'd normally "like" that but I can't

I don't think we can afford to sit back and see what the hell happens.

We have to sort something out before Oct 31st.
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

If it be your will wrote:Jeez. We're on different planets, aren't we?


I think we are.

Nothing in a lexit is vaguely credible to me so we are bound to be!
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Well I hope to speak for nearly all leavers here, and will welcome any leaver to object if I don't speak for them, but very, very few leavers would mourn the passing of May's deal. It was terrible. Absolutely woeful. That's not the same as saying a close variant of it won't be passed, though. But i...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Right, come on martin_p, be completely honest (you can edit your response away a minute later): when you typed that, was it a genuine representation of reality as you see it? It does depend on how the court case ends up I suspect. if the government wins, you'll be lucky to see parliament back befor...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm reading a lot about a "Special economic zone" for NI to try to get around the backstop, but I'm also reading a lot of head shaking going on from the European experts about how it doesn't go far enough. There just isn't enough time to do a deal if we stick to the Oct 31st "leave re...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You really are distasteful. I asked it before - are you like this in real life? Yeah, but only with complete knobheads. I'm perfectly fine with normal people. Actually, I'll clarify that. Only with people who threaten what I stand and believe in. Which is the UK and it continuing to be the beautifu...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

dsr wrote:And zealots like you. I know you think you are the voice of reason because you're willing to leave the EU as long as we remain subject to all its rules, but believe me - you're a zealot too.


Jesus

You need proper help.
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I don't see why the illness of the man's child, or the NHS apparent underfunding, is the responsibility of Boris Johnson. Certainly he ought to look at May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Callaghan, Wilson, Heath before he blames Johnson. So far down the rabbit hole you can't see what a **...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

May didn't push for a hard Brexit. She pushed for her ridiculous deal that would have all the penalties of staying in, plus some extras for luck, while giving up some of the rewards. Er, she did. then took it to the people in 2017 and thats where the dream of a "Hard Brexit" should have d...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It is patently, unmistakably obvious this is what the vocal remainers are attempting to do. All leavers know this. We all know it has absolutely nothing to do with 'People might have changed their minds' or 'We should compromise (i.e. effectively remain)' garbage, it's all about preventing the enac...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Labour activist who works for Emily Thornberry, he speak with forked tongue. https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1174320861349892096 Hearing unconfirmed reports that the man in that video in the hospital was sacked by the Times for making up quotes in a story, and by Michael Howard for lying abo...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Biggest problem I have with all of this is that one side is rewriting history every time they get stopped. No Deal hasn't been a democratic option since 2017, but its bought back time and time again by the same group of zealots who refuse to accept that their vision isn't followed by a majority. Its...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Not ignore. Get them a good deal. Hopefully. We are in this together but we voted out. By all means get them to vote on deal or no deal. Just not Remain. Leave means Leave. Where is this good deal with our red lines and the ERG? Leave means Leave, just not an any cost and if we can't get what was p...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

That is a total misunderstanding of the real world. Technically, legally, correct. But not reality. Reality is that vetos only give you bargaining power. If the other 27 countries are desperate for you to vote with them they will either offer something to prevent your veto, or threaten you in some ...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You couldn’t of course. Leave has been decided - now it is all about what type of Leave. Thus any second referendum should be the current deal, or no deal. The only people suggesting Remain should be on the ballot are Remainers desperate for a reversal. Look at this thread for proof. Hardly any Lea...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

People think they are being reasonable about a second referendum which restricts Leave to one variant of it, but they would never consider applying the same logic to Remain (e.g. only Remain if the EU doesn’t integrate any further). We should call it for what it is - an opportunity to stack the dec...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I don't believe you are that naïve Lancaster. Plenty of leaders / governments have got into power on a seemingly relatively moderate proposition and then...well you know the rest. I did consider running Tall Paul's joke about Erasmus spelling Mcdonnell's name wrong but I decided that this is too se...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:Leave under what terms?


I'm not 100% sure he's aware of where he is at the moment.

What is he going to do

Option 1 - ignore and talk about something else

Option 2 - attack another poster for pointing out where he is
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Our next MP

It'd be a clever move. I'd be interested how committed Brexit Party supporters would react to such a policy, because that would be the key. It could be a game changer if they actually adopted that policy, though. (I bet Farage has considered it, you know!) But I don't think they'd do it, no I bet h...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm assuming you are a committed Labour voter for the upcoming election (is this definitely right?). In that case, what do you think Labour's Brexit policy should be for the election? I'm assuming you don't think it should be 'Negotiate a deal then campaign against it', so what should it be? I quit...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

John Mcdonnell is a Marxist. You clearly want to support him Erasmus, but if you don't like the fact that he is a Marxist, you really ought to take it up with John Mcdonnell rather than this message board. It is John Mcdonnell who defines himself as a Marxist. I can't stand the bloke or his intenti...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Our next MP

You got any evidence for the brexit party's tough language on immigration? hhahahahhahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha! (breathe) hhahahahhahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha! hhahahahhahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha! hhahahahhahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahah...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Our next MP

The true adherents of the Brexit Party do make it enormously difficult for left-wing leavers to even consider switching their vote to them, that's for sure. But attracting at least some the 'socialist leave' group is essential if the Brexit Party are to make serious inroads. Farage is politically c...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Did you understand what I wrote about scenario planning? There's no point - and no one would waste their time doing it - to start with a "this is the best it will be case" and then call it your "base case" or to have a planning scenario that you call your "reasonable worst ...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Our next MP

I've been vaguely tempted to vote Brexit Party in the next GE, because I want to leave the EU, and because we've already voted to leave the EU. I don't like its rules. I'm a socialist. Now it's difficult to know how many socialists would be willing to switch from Labour to Brexit Party for this rea...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 14521
Views: 270271

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

AndyClaret wrote:And it's you who sides with a foreign government every time my friend.


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