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by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm not convinced we have this passed yet, so I'm not going to celebrate. I'm not overjoyed with Boris's deal, although it is slightly better than May's, and no one has mentioned the money yet. What do you mean? It's in the WA, which as I predicted is substantially May's WA. (95% unchanged accordin...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The United Kingdom
Replies: 31
Views: 855

Re: The United Kingdom

mdd2 wrote:NI I am sure will also become part of a United Ireland eventually.

It could effectively happen in another 14 days in many areas.
It certainly appears that it will be more "Irish" than united to us.
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: JBG out for weeks
Replies: 47
Views: 2209

Re: ARTICLE: JBG out for weeks

Looks like we could soon be approaching the time when we find out whether bringing Drinkwater to the club was sensible / wise / vital or not.
One more injury in these areas, and we'll definitely need him - once available for selection.
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Julie Cooper now in a very difficult position. Should she follow the democratic instruction of her constituents and support this deal or should she follow the anti-democratic Labour whip and vote against it? One option would be to support the deal and if she gets de-selected then she could stand as...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The self serving remainers will vote this down. It's always been about keeping us in the EU, whatever deal came back. You MAY be correct, but I would say that if you look at the numbers, by far the greatest threat to this comes from the DUP and the ERG. I would imagine that most of the Tory "r...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Looking at what has been emerging I would imagine that a confirmatory referendum will now be added to this deal in an amendment, and that this would be the option most likely to be able to get it over the line.
But who knows?
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:00 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It appears to be down to the ERG now.
Do they retain their full support for the DUP, or do they vote to reverse their own bill that effectively ruled out the Irish Sea border?
Does this mark the end of the Conservative and Unionist Party?
by nil_desperandum
Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I think it’s quite important that people who suffer cancer could potentially be dying in greater numbers due to the treatment becoming more expensive. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/13/eu-rules-could-make-cancer-deaths-likely-says-report/ https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1190339/Brex...
by nil_desperandum
Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Since getting defeated in the local elections Labour are trying to get the towns councils merged with Blackburn and Rossendale again in a vote this week. Desperate times for a failing party. So far as I understand it, this proposal has - broadly - got CROSSPARTY support, with some on each side diss...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Colne Rd Burnley
Replies: 24
Views: 1855

Re: Colne Rd Burnley

they wouldnt dare park one of those vans up round there. Just to clarify that the new style speed camera van is frequently parked in the vicinity of the Prairie, but never at the times it's needed. (i.e. in the late evening). It catches loads of people at 9 on a Sunday morning however when the road...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

So you mean this deal is similar to May's deal, except with this one there's no UK-wide backstop? Well - essentially yes. To clarify: my point is that the backstop wasn't part of the deal. It was a temporary measure proposed by the UK until a solution to the border issue could be found. The Irish S...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

AndyClaret wrote:FAO Nil Desperandom

So like I said then:
No changes to the Withdrawal Agreement.
All those points appear to be related to either the NI border issue, (removing the backstop) or the future (trade) relationship, which is all up for negotiation in the future anyway.
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hampstead Claret RIP
Replies: 161
Views: 5819

Re: Hampstead Claret RIP

Amen to everything that everyone has posted on here.
A good poster, and I'm sure a great bloke.
RIP HampsteadClaret.
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

AndyClaret wrote:Why are people saying Boris's deal is a harder Brexit than May's if they are exactly the same ?

Honestly no idea.
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

We'll have to wait a few days for the detail to be confirmed. The point about the backstop being temporary (or not) was clearly a key reason why May's deal failed. Those who opposed it were not convinced it would end up being temporary, or at least the EU would have much less appetite for finding a...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

May's WA has a UK wide backstop with no unilateral exit. Johnson's WA has (reportedly) a NI only backstop (rest of the UK won't be in it) with the possibility of unilateral exit by NI electorate majority vote. So there is a MASSIVE difference between the two. Except the backstop was intended to be ...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Morning Lancs. I really wish you would stop parroting this line and stick to your sensible points. ClaretAndy put up a picture of that thread yesterday from the Rahuel chap who used to advise Theresa May, explaining exactly why this deal has crucial differences. Argue it is a bad deal by all means,...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Quickenthetempo wrote:Telegraph reporting ID will have to be shown now when voting, to be announced in the queens speech.

Not good news for Labour.

Do you think there's any chance at all of the Queen's Speech passing?
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm not looking into it until it becomes official but if you have read up on it and confident. What's the latest on the divorce bill? Fishing rights? And Freedom of movement? I agree that no one actually knows, but there's absolutely no evidence, suggestion or rumour that any of those will be diffe...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

You can't have read his attachment and have posted that. It is clearly different from May's deal. If you have I am worried about you. Are you in denial now that we appear to be getting near to a deal to leave? Don't worry about me. I read widely, and from what I can see in that attachment and in th...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JBG injured.
Replies: 66
Views: 5306

Re: JBG injured.

We have no say in it, considering we deemed him fit enough to play against Everton. Our medical team will have briefed Iceland's team but ultimately if they want to call him the we can't stand in the way. He did play against Everton, but didn't complete 90 minutes. I think that we would have been p...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JBG injured.
Replies: 66
Views: 5306

Re: JBG injured.

We have no say in it, considering we deemed him fit enough to play against Everton. Our medical team will have briefed Iceland's team but ultimately if they want to call him the we can't stand in the way. He did play, but didn't complete 90 minutes. I think that we would have been perfectly justifi...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

AndyClaret wrote:Here's a comprehensive explanation of the deal, and it's difference's to May's deal.

So no changes to May's deal then, just a change to the backstop (which isn't a part of the Withdrawal agreement or the future relationship)?
(Essentially this was what the Brady amendment was all about months ago.)
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It would appear that Cummings has played a strategic masterstroke here. BJ and his teams primary objective was/is an election. Brexit is being used as a vehicle to deliver a Tory majority. No one knows how this will go, but assuming Johnson gets this through I can't see how it's good news for the T...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

He will have made a big difference if he can agree a deal with the EU and parliament - that's the true test but let's see if it happens. Threatening to walk away without a deal has been key in my view. Except the EU don't seem to have conceded anything. It appears to be May's withdrawal agreement t...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

But the most remarkable thing for me is that this is the first time in 3 years that the EU has bent on its stance at all . Something I thought was never, ever going to happen. Not sure that they have bent or moved their red lines, though we can't be sure what's being proposed. If the border is the ...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Who knows? My instinct says that at that moment it was an impossible job for anyone to have done well. But that's all it is - instinct. Not exactly persuasive, I know. My feeling is that if someone like Gove had gone to Brussels at the outset rather than the dim-witted Davis, he could well have pro...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

This entire period was a completely different era to the one we're in now. This was a time when most leavers agreed that the views of the 48% should be taken into account. Equally, most remainers were fundamentally accepting of the referendum result. Both sides had the right attitude, but it just d...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

BJ walked after Cheqeurs. Imagine giving up a job of Foreign Sec. He stuck to his beliefs. . Indeed. He then subsequently voted for that deal ,(the May deal) in the Commons, and is apparently going to put something pretty similar to May's deal to Parliament next week. Whatever you think of brexit, ...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

He has said that he was not in a position to agree anythi because May was in control. Why do you think he resigned? Very difficult to make any proposals, let alone agree anything if you only negotiate for 4 hours in 2 years. Barnier was deeply critical of Davis for continually failing to turn up fo...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JBG injured.
Replies: 66
Views: 5306

Re: JBG injured.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I hope we dont stop players playing for their country.

Agree, when they're fully fit, and he didn't look great last Saturday and didn't play 90 minutes.
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JBG injured.
Replies: 66
Views: 5306

Re: JBG injured.

Top Claret wrote:Only if Cork is injured or Drinkwater not ready

Isn't Cork injured?
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

AndrewJB wrote:What is factually incorrect then?

I'll guarantee he won't answer that because it's a remainer myth.
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

summitclaret wrote:This is remainer myth.

Which bits?
It's just about all in print in respectable publications, and he hasn't challenged it or threatened to sue.
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Give over. Davies resigned because of May's soft of softest Brexit plans because there were too many tory remainers. He has been proved right. Your'e way off the mark there. Davis was given a job to do, and was way below the standard required. He had a history of incompetence and failure.He wasn't ...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JBG injured.
Replies: 66
Views: 5306

Re: JBG injured.

Top Claret wrote:Jeff is far better out wide right than JBG and fitter. JBG should not start, used only off the bench for the last 20

But Jeff will be playing in CM won't he?
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JBG injured.
Replies: 66
Views: 5306

Re: JBG injured.

Club sides can't stop National teams calling up players. The top teams seem to be able to do it. If we say he's not fit, what's the process? We say he's unfit. So: They test him and say fit So: We appeal and get an independent assessment? I've no idea how it works. Who declared and certified Heaton...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JBG injured.
Replies: 66
Views: 5306

Re: JBG injured.

Really don't understand why we allowed him to go when just recovering form an injury, and with his history.
I wonder whose decision it was?
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

and who do you blame fot that? I blame in no particular order May and Robbins for agreeing that a divorce was sep from trade. Hammond and Rudd and the other tory manifesto deniers Anna Soubry and Sarah Wolleston etl Grieve in particular Anyone asking for another referundum, the sooner they asked th...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Trade guys are all saying the same thing. This is Mays deal. Its a fudge. Don't care as long as it gets passed, but lets not pretend its not a fudge eh? I've not posted on this thread much in the past month, but when I have, I've consistently said that Johnson would try to get May's deal through, a...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I'm really not clear.
Other than the technical issue of the Irish border / backstop,(which isn't really a part of the Withdrawal Agreement), how is Johnson's "deal" so different to the "May Deal" that the ERG and many posters on here thought was worse than remaining?
by nil_desperandum
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: It's official - nobody like us
Replies: 28
Views: 2839

Re: It's official - nobody like us

chekhov wrote:Good article. Very accurate.

Totally agree. Don't see why this article would upset any on here.
It's factual and very complimentary in its own way.
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Colonoscopy
Replies: 63
Views: 2061

Re: Colonoscopy

I must be different as posters on here say things like it was a doddle I wasn't offered sedation it was straight up the trumpton with a numbing agent they told me to lay on my side were I could see the monitor of everything that was happening When they confirm you are in receipt of a tumour they th...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

If the Conservatives do win the next election the EU will not have the power in negotiations they currently enjoy. Irrespective of who wins an election and who is PM, how does that change the EU's position? We've already had 3 PMs and goodness knows who many brexit secretaries since the referendum....
by nil_desperandum
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Only a 17 point lead, well done everyone. https://twitter.com/britain_elects/status/1181898607580061698?s=19 17 point lead for what? An election hasn't been called, and we don't know when it might be. We certainly don't know what would be in the Conservative manifesto though, so any opinion poll at...
by nil_desperandum
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Funeral Christs Church Colne, Bent Lane, Keighley Road
Replies: 20
Views: 1197

Re: Funeral Christs Church Colne, Bent Lane, Keighley Road

Quickenthetempo wrote:The whole town is a car park.

Perhaps, but it's a very long walk from the town centre - especially if the weather is a bit rough.
by nil_desperandum
Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:27 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Colonoscopy
Replies: 63
Views: 2061

Re: Colonoscopy

Just to agree with virtually everything that as been said.
I've had a number (both from the top and bottom). I always opt for a sedative and don't recall any of the procedures!
Totally painless unless you have an issue with needles (for the sedative).
by nil_desperandum
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 18917
Views: 348285

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It won't be gridlocked as we won't be trading with each other according to the pessimistic remainers. Can you find any source anywhere for anyone having ever said this? But even if you could find any evidence for this statement, we wouldn't necessarily need to be trading with France. Goods would st...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hendrick goal
Replies: 57
Views: 4019

Re: Hendrick goal

Why would he want to drop into the championship. Our wages arent that bad, and our bonuses are some of the best. He also sounds as though he is loving it still at Burnley. Hes going nowhere. Although I don't majorly disagree with this, my point really was that we will have to make him an improved d...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexitcast
Replies: 5
Views: 263

Re: Brexitcast

RingoMcCartney wrote:The only thing it must be costing them, is viewing figures.

Ringo - I agree with you!! :D UTC

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