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by CrosspoolClarets
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

The Brexit Party are making sure that they are right when they say that there’s a communist standing for election in Islington North. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/14/to-see-how-extremism-has-taken-root-in-britain-look-at-islington-north?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other These are your be...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I haven't factually checked any of that, but I'm assuming it to be correct. If so, that's a very illuminating post. Thanks. The numbers were broadly correct, unless I miscounted. The EU being dodgy in the diversity stakes is well known, in 2018 only 3 of 751 MEPs was black, according to the Guardia...
by CrosspoolClarets
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

On my daily skim up this thread I see we have regressed to the debate about Brexit Party = Racist. I thought we had moved on from Jon Snow’s comment “I have never seen so many white people all in one place” about a Brexit party march, despite the BP having loads of ethnic minority candidates. I’m to...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I think it's fine for you or I to make these accusations (and they might well be true - seems that way sometimes), but I absolutely don't think members of the cabinet should be saying them https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49670901 . I just sense in the last 4-5 days everything has taken a rea...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Spijed wrote:Once Brexit has been sorted I can't see how the Tories will win seats in Labour heartlands when normal, everyday issues return.


I agree, but I can see how Farage can win seats in both Labour and Tory heartlands.
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I agree, that byline report is a perfect example of not very clever people writing their conclusion and then working backwards to write an article. Just because genuinely clever people are trying to make money on this does not prove, or even make probable, that Johnson or Cummings have made money fr...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

My views on sovereignty: No problem at all with a court finding a decision unlawful as long as the implications of this ruling are deferred until the Supreme Court makes a final judgement (especially seeing as the London High Court said today that prorogation was entirely legitimate for political op...
by CrosspoolClarets
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Good morning all. One thing that Remain voters have proven beyond all doubt is that they don’t have a grasp of the mind of a Brexit voter. This causes MPs a problem because they have to gauge what is acceptable to the country, and they have failed that consistently, but this time Brexit voters are i...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Interesting Johnson might be willing to accept the NI only backstop Over a year ago I posted this: “I suspect the breakthrough will come in the Irish Sea, because after all, Northern Ireland is a crucial part of the Union but not a big player in terms of the detail. I expect a fudge where the Canad...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: England v Australia 4th Test
Replies: 451
Views: 8653

Re: England v Australia 4th Test

Congrats Australia. Deserved to win. Incredibly competitive and edgy match.

Sometimes the fiercest rivalries come between the closest of friends. The Ashes shows it.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:48 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Arch-Remainer Amber Rudd resigning (in an act of cunning timing ahead of the Sunday papers, in which she has a double spread) is more of a clue Boris is on the right track. She’s the daughter of the stockbroker whose brother chairs the People’s Vote campaign. Like his brother, the one who pushed for...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:23 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mike Garlick interview
Replies: 41
Views: 2241

Re: Mike Garlick interview

What does budgeting for 17th actually mean? It means they are not assuming we get the near £2m per place for finishing higher than 17th. But it is a total irrelevance. We know for a fact (the accounts prove it) that the club budgets EXPENDITURE to be way below income, even if we finished 20th. They...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

No, we can't agree with that. There was a deal, the best we can get, and it didn't get through. If he has a 200 majority and he commands their loyalty, then of course he can pass whatever he likes but it will be Mays deal with some meaningless changes to the text I suspect. Johnson demands the back...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

He's a serial liar CC. However (in the unlikely event he actually does that) If he refuses to obey the law, then the country will go even more mental than it did after the proroguing of parliament was announced. That is clearly true. On this occasion though I sense he is speaking the truth and tryi...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

What has been as frustrating as hell is that "No Deal" was clearly never going to get through the H of P. You say that Lancs, and it may be true, but hopefully we can all agree that if the PM had a majority of 200 and had set a firm deadline, a deal would be done for sure. It is only the ...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Watching Boris today in his very tired video and walkabout I have a strong feeling that he maybe about to deliberately break the (soon to be new) law by refusing to go to the EU for an extension. He would then dare MPs to make him the first PM to be impeached in the country’s history. We have been h...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I was talking about dsr. Sorry for the confusion. No problem. I have just clarified the figures. 10 labour MPs voted for Brexit (Dennis Skinner, Frank Field, Gisela Stuart, Graham Stringer, John Cryer, Kate Hoey, Kelvin Hopkins, Roger Godsiff, Ronnie Campbell, John Mann). Of these, 2 voted with May...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:He wasn’t even blaming remainers, Labour ‘blocked’ the deal apparently.


I didn’t even use the word “Labour” once. Remainers blocked the deal, Labour were just part of that stitch up.
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

He is being clever with the word Brexit voting Tory's so he can conveniently group and exclude the 6 pro second referendum Tory's who voted against it and blame it on Remainers. I thought the DUP were pro-leave so if we want to play those games we can surely blame it on the 10 DUP MPs who didn't vo...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

martin_p wrote:Not according to dsr’s figures above.


Those Tory voting figures (which were not wrong but they were insufficiently detailed) do not show the split between the ERG and the arch Remainers like Grieve. Believe me when I say that if the ERG had voted for the deal, it would still have failed to pass.
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Drink water injury
Replies: 463
Views: 25149

Re: Drink water injury

Bad news if confirmed but I suppose that 3 decent midfielders to fill 2 spots is better than we have had in the past.
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Lancaster will definitely accuse you of lying if you forget to mention that Labour also scuppered the deal. Oh, hang on - that would be being fair and even-handed. Not something you are likely to accuse Lancaster of. (it would still be wrong, but it would be fair and even-handed.) All 422 votes wer...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

But would it stop you voting for him? And you are being ridiculous, Farage is marmite. He's loved by those that love him, and absolutely loathed by everybody else. I actually like many of the BP candidates but they are like us - articulate and clever people but not ones who would know how to run a ...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Crikey, Jo Johnson has knifed his brother in a Millibandesque way..... They are worried about the moderates being purged (despite Boris’s domestic agenda being more moderate than anything that bunch did). If I were them I would now worry about the future of the party. The Tory party and Labour Party...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Just seen that France now opposes not just the backstop removal but also a divergence of regulatory alignment - they refuse to have different regulations 25 miles from Calais. On the flip side diplomats say Macron is adamant we have to leave (for our sake) because it was the French vote on the EU Co...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:23 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Maybe, but he's made a terrible start by trying to drive the country in two. if he was serious about that, he'd be looking for a deal that would satisfy more than just the ERG, and there isn't any evidence he is, and lots of evidence that he's not even remotely serious. His deal will be May’s Withd...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I literally can't wait to see what happens today, it could be anything, the leave side is so batshit. Didn't CrosspoolClarets say "Great news tonight. That’s the big win from this whole thing"!!?? Unbelieveable, well, strap yourself in CrosspoolClarets, I'm sure Boris and Dom will do a wh...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:00 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Problem is CC is that I don't believe he will do that. And I doubt I'm alone. Once he gets a majority, he'll do whatever is required to keep his allies on side, and that won't be massive public sector spending. I guess we will see Lancs. I suspect he wants to go down in history as some kind of lege...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

"independent mindset." Basically an excuse for more racist, right-wing candidates then. Yep. Or, alternately, an excuse to take responsibility for our own country and pile money into northern transport infrastructure, social care and education - all that hard right stuff Boris is planning.
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

It’d have to get through the Lords as well, the make up of which wouldn’t really change. Besides, the bill instructs the PM to seek an extension if a deal hasn’t been done by 19th October. If there’s an election on 14th there’s no way they could repeal it in time. Convention (if such a thing exists...
by CrosspoolClarets
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Despite the fact that every political commentator, including the ones that have been talking to government spokespeople, say Johnson will call an election on 14th October if he loses the vote tomorrow. Call an election on 14th October, win (in his mind) in the early hours of Tuesday morning, then h...
by CrosspoolClarets
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Now this is what I don't understand. You have a list of issues (some which I agree with, some which I don't but that's by the by) and say they can't be solved within the EU. How is membership of the EU stopping us resolving unaffordable houses or poor transport infrastructure. Is it really the EU c...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Replies: 13980
Views: 256958

Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

I wouldn't disagree with most of that. Leave or remain, very few politicians have covered themselves in glory over the past few years. Far too much in the way of party politics rather than prioritising the country. I can't say I'm particularly surprised by it though. The whole Brexit vote came abou...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: This football
Replies: 28
Views: 1291

Re: This football

No real gripes about the style today but it is a common frustrating theme that when we are behind, especially against a good side, we still sit our fullbacks and centre midfield in their positions rather than having them run past their winger or striker colleague respectively. It feels a bit negativ...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings
Replies: 84
Views: 4103

Re: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings

Pope 6 - couldn’t tell from my seat about the 1st Lowton 4 - didn’t seem to do anything right Tarkowski 8 - composed and classy Mee 6 - lost the game by trying to play it out instead of copying Dick Van Dyke and whacking it clear Pieters 6 - some good interceptions Lennon 6 - good trickery and much ...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Wolves
Replies: 65
Views: 2819

Re: Wolves

Bs. I’m assuming you watched the games against Olympiakos where we more than deserved to get through. God knows what would have happened if we did but you can hardly blame the board and manager for what happened in Athens. What nonsense, sorry. Of course we can blame them. It was unforgivable and t...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How long will we accept this?
Replies: 117
Views: 4823

Re: How long will we accept this?

It took 19 minutes to get our big centre forward on after we went 3-1 down. A CF who dominates lower league teams due to his style. Only 21 minutes left at that point when it could have been 40. He also changed the formation instead of simply changing personnel first, then formation later. That woul...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How long will we accept this?
Replies: 117
Views: 4823

Re: How long will we accept this?

Our supporters’ attitudes to cups and the 17th position in the Premier League are a generational thing. A lot of people would be happy with 17th and first round cup exits till the end of time. I agree, but this is another example of how older generations are generally wiser. Ask Forest fans if they...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How long will we accept this?
Replies: 117
Views: 4823

Re: How long will we accept this?

I sympathise with the changes because we play Liverpool in 3 days who do not have a game this week. But he has by far the worst record in our history in cups, certainly relative to League position. I strongly suspect the team subconsciously cannot get up for it because they feel the manager would pr...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Not so Mighty on the night Clarets versus Slumberland
Replies: 371
Views: 10899

Re: Mighty Clarets versus Slumberland

The trouble is, when the manager gives the air of someone who doesn’t care about the League, FA or Europa cups, it permeates through the squad. Good players, who want to win, but they simply cannot raise themselves enough. Compare and contrast to Wolves going full tilt at the Europa and still having...
by CrosspoolClarets
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

No, Its one of the four fundamental principles of the EU, that we've known are not negotiable since the very beginning. "https://news.sky.com/story/merkel-no-free-market-without-free-movement-10607111" "Angela Merkel has stressed that the UK cannot have access to the EU's internal ma...
by CrosspoolClarets
Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brecon by-election
Replies: 64
Views: 2086

Re: Brecon by-election

Plaid and Greens never fielded a candidate leaving Lib Dem’s as the only true pro Remain party. It would be interesting if say the Tories stepped aside in Nick Clegg’s old seat in Sheffield leaving contest to Labour, Lib Dem’s and Brexit Party This is probably one of the bottom 10 seats in the U.K....
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Heats
Replies: 491
Views: 21252

Re: Heats

If Pope has a groin strain we may soon find out whether the first half of last season was Hart being a poor communicator or, as I suspect, that the defence were all over the place due to Dyche’s approach to Europe which ruined the highlight of many of their careers.
by CrosspoolClarets
Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

I don't usually post on any Brexit thread on here but I'm utterly baffled by Crosspool Claret thinking that leaving the EU will enable us to "improve our culture". I'd really welcome an explanation of what this is envisaged to look like as whenever I visit Europe I'm generally struck by g...
by CrosspoolClarets
Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

You should be ashamed of yourself, wishing bad upon our country, and others as well. If you beleve in god, I hope she has mercy on your soul. I don’t. But anyway, I don’t wish ill on anyone. I want a deal. But not a deal that shackles us. I just think the EU is daft not dashing to the table. This w...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

Will difficulties with 7% of their exports really impact on Germany and France that much? How will the impact on them compare to a country who will have issues with 45% of their exports? The tweet I referenced above is from the Germany correspondent to the Wall Street Journal. It is well worth a re...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

TheFamilyCat wrote:Wow, crosspool knows what’s better for some countries than the leaders of those countries.


Another one to have lost the argument.

It is a bit like saying wow, Uptheclarets knows what’s best for BFC rather than Garlick and Dyche. Every now and again, infrequently, we do.
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Why the abuse?


Because he’s lost the argument.

I actually formed my opinion from a tweet of a prominent Remainer reporter who has suggested, largely, the same thing as me. He seems worried that leaders are misjudging Boris’s intentions, and I think he is right.
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

You missed out one of the economies it will wreck. Ours. I have to choose which of my 8 replying fans to respond to, so I’ll pick this one :lol: I didn’t miss it out at all. That was my entire point. Yes, it will wreck our economy (temporarily). But, for Brexiteers like Boris and Cummings, it’s wor...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Boris
Replies: 997
Views: 24399

Re: Boris

The bit that is underestimated by Remainers and European leaders is the degree to which (thanks to the attempts to stop Brexit altogether) we have to get out at any cost, to a point where it is irreversible. Nothing else can suffice, because otherwise the Grieves of this world will win. I had previo...

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