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by Chester Perry
Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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bfc8 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:11 pm
^^^^
3 years of ALK.
Crunch could be within another 3 years.
Likely relegated this season, then parachute payments, bfc need to get back to PL fairly quickly for any chance of ALK or various lenders not losing money.
For them to actually make money, seems to me very difficult.
If we look at the money that has apparently come into ALK/VSL over the last 18 months - the time they started paying for their own shares - including the additional sums that appears to be in Velocity Capital (UK) Holdings then it could be deduced that the original ALK group (Pace, Smith Hunt, Dewey, Edwards, Checketts and Dávila) may have already got their initial monies back, that is even more likely if they, as you suggest, borrowed their initial down payment.

For the newer members of that group, we do not know how much they have contributed or indeed what are their expectations in regards to a satisfactory return. though it is evident funds have been garnered from somewhere.

What we do know is that a yo-yo club similar to ours in the current market can sell for a value in excess of £120m, which means the walk away break even suggested is achievable now but much more challenging if we do not look able to return to the Premier League in 12 months time.

Not that I think ALK have the desire to walk away at this time and certainly not without a sizeable profit.
by quoonbeatz
Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:31 pm
I would assume a big investor would have access to the books, the late filings per se would be unlikely to deter many, if any unless they were public about their investment and had an image to manage

On the subject of investors, still believe that we do not know the names of at least half of the investors in the ownership group judging by this photo of the directors box at the Cardiff game - we have Mr and Mrs Pace, Mr and Mrs Watt, Mr and Mrs Checketts along with COO Mark Thompson behind Pace

https://twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC/status/ ... 7880572931
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Salt Bae on the back row
by Chester Perry
Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Eyesofblue2 wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:38 pm
Problematic or not, it's not a good look if they're looking to attract serious investment into the club. Or would a big investor not be unduly concerned about these late filings ?
I would assume a big investor would have access to the books, the late filings per se would be unlikely to deter many, if any unless they were public about their investment and had an image to manage

On the subject of investors, still believe that we do not know the names of at least half of the investors in the ownership group judging by this photo of the directors box at the Cardiff game - we have Mr and Mrs Pace, Mr and Mrs Watt, Mr and Mrs Checketts along with COO Mark Thompson behind Pace

https://twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC/status/ ... 7880572931
Image
by Paul Waine
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:16 pm

The Athletic were clear in that the loan was from Macquarie and that security was provided by the original group that bought the club. It is not unreasonable to believe that between them - Alan Pace, Stuart Hunt, Mike Smith, Morgan Edwards, John Dewey, Dave Checketts and Antonio Parra have sufficient assets available to provide such security/guarantees particularly as we are now aware of just how much control (and likely shareholding they own in the structure that owns the club).

I agree that there is no such thing as 'mates rates' but these people are not unknowns, they have lengthy track records and we have to believe, given that ALK Capital LLC still has an physical New York office that there is activity there (mainly led by COO John Dewey) that is generating further revenues. So for now I am more inclined to go with the Athletics story, though as always I will be on the lookout for other sources.
Hi CP, I've now finally read the Athletic.

So far as I can see all they write is: "ALK used a £20million chunk of the £54.7million profit the club made from player sales to pay off some of the loan during the 2021-22 accounting period, then it replaced the rest with a smaller and cheaper loan from the British arm of Australian bank Macquarie in November."

Where does the Athletic say that Alan Pace and others in ALK team have provided the required security for a loan from Macquarie?

I don't want to start reading FRS 102 Related Parties reporting rules again. However, we know that Alan Pace and all ALK Capital are a related party of BFCHL. If Alan Pace/ALK have provided security to obtain a loan from Macquarie that would be a related party transaction and would be reportable in the accounts along with the Events after the balance sheet date reporting that MSD loan had been repaid and a new £39 million loan obtained. (Alan Pace is described as the Ultimate Controlling Party of BFCHL, so he doesn't qualify as described in FRS 102 para 33.4 as not being a related party).

Maybe the source(s) that you occasionally mention can provide some more info on these arrangements.

I'd expect ALK Capital and Velocity Sports (US) always to have presence in US. The owners and investors are, for the most part, US persons. It would make it a lot harder for ALK/VSP to execute their investment plans if they didn't maintain their US presence.
by Chester Perry
Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:51 pm
I find it miraculously coincidental that the amounts are so similar. I think you might be on to something here PW. Would also tie in wit the rumours that MG would become involved again in the event of relegation, albeit not in the way expected.

I have to say, I’d feel much better if the loan was from MG. And also better about him (i.e. he didn’t take his money and run, he ensured we didn’t end up owing a huge debt to a third party as such).
The amount was determined by the outstanding balance with MSD, plus the penalty payment

To get to that the club had first to pay £12.2m plus penalties in August 2022 (after its £20m relegation enforced repayment)

between August and November there was a stage payments paid (late again, but paid) apparently from ALK/VSL funds - there is no note of post event additional loans in the accounts. It is notable that Mike Garlick was not that amicable with ALK.VSL in April 2022 when the schedule stage payment was late and he activated default clauses in the sale agreement and by the account I have heard was ready to do so again in early October 2022 before the payments was made a week late.

So, while Mike Garlick appears to have the funds in Clarets go Large Ltd to finance such a loan, it feels a stretch

Paul's speculation is based, understandably, on the lack of visible security/'charge' but that does not mean there isn't one somewhere up the organisation chain in Delaware or Jersey. Indeed I myself have speculated that such a loan may have come from the ownership group itself, previously.

The Athletic were clear in that the loan was from Macquarie and that security was provided by the original group that bought the club. It is not unreasonable to believe that between them - Alan Pace, Stuart Hunt, Mike Smith, Morgan Edwards, John Dewey, Dave Checketts and Antonio Parra have sufficient assets available to provide such security/guarantees particularly as we are now aware of just how much control (and likely shareholding they own in the structure that owns the club).

I agree that there is no such thing as 'mates rates' but these people are not unknowns, they have lengthy track records and we have to believe, given that ALK Capital LLC still has an physical New York office that there is activity there (mainly led by COO John Dewey) that is generating further revenues. So for now I am more inclined to go with the Athletics story, though as always I will be on the lookout for other sources.
by Chester Perry
Wed May 10, 2023 10:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Wokingclaret wrote:
Tue May 09, 2023 11:58 pm
Dave Checketts in this photo

https://twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC/status/ ... 31/photo/4
I wouldn't be surprised if there are 3 or 4 more investors in ALK/VSL in that picture - I have been trying to find a picture of Antonio Davila Parra (he is a bit of a ghost online) for quite some time now so I cannot tell if he is there -hoping someone else has more info

The guy directly behind Alan Pace is the club COO Mark Thompson - he used to work for Castore so it will be interesting to see what happens with the next kit deal (summer of 2024 i think)
by Chester Perry
Tue May 09, 2023 11:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Father Jack wrote:
Tue May 09, 2023 11:37 pm
We know the 3 on the right.
But can anyone tell me who the 2 on the left are?
Back left features heavily in the documentary trailer “we’re going to make so much money”.
Doesn’t look like Dave Checketts to me.
Front left doesn’t look like Antonio Davila either.
Morgan Edwards behind John Dewey - that is the first time I have seen all 5 of ALK in a single picture
by Father Jack
Tue May 09, 2023 11:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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We know the 3 on the right.
But can anyone tell me who the 2 on the left are?
Back left features heavily in the documentary trailer “we’re going to make so much money”.
Doesn’t look like Dave Checketts to me.
Front left doesn’t look like Antonio Davila either.
by Chester Perry
Fri May 05, 2023 12:01 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Father Jack wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 11:34 pm
Went back for another look.
Answered my own question but it looks like your structure chart now needs another update!
thanks for that - I really should pay attention to what the Chairman tweets every now and again

As I understand it the named individuals are founding partners in ALK and Checketts came in as the deal for the club took shape - it is probable that Antonio Parra is in a similar situation. As always I could be wrong.
by Chester Perry
Thu May 04, 2023 11:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
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Father Jack wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 11:16 pm
Chester - where does Dave Checketts fit into the ownership structure of ALK?
If I remember he was leading the Mormon mission in London at some stage but then thought he was a bought member of ALK?
I saw him on Pace’s instagram on a picture with Alan in which he was wearing a Burnley scarf. It was an old post but reminded me that he must be involved somewhere.
I have him in other Investors along with Antonio Parra, it is unclear if they are investors in ALK Capital LLC or Velocity Sports Partners LLC (maybe even both) I would be putting the likes of Malcolm Jenkins and the Watts family as investing in Velocity Sports Partners LLC - though Jenkins did say he was investing in ALK Capital.

Like Paul Waine, I am assuming that there are other investors (probably at the minor investor level) that we do not know about - if there aren't now I expect there soon will be.
by Father Jack
Thu May 04, 2023 11:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
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Chester Perry wrote:
Thu May 04, 2023 9:37 pm
Given that everyone else here appears to assume you are talking about me - I wouldn't have been so presumptuous



I have been using my spare time today to wade through and try and get to grips with more of the documents related to the Jersey based entities within the the group that contains our club

What is clearly evident in these documents is that ALK Capital LLC has taken every legal course to protect its position as managing partner. Paul Waine has reminded us on a few occasions that both ALK Capital LLC and Velocity Sports Partners LLC are Partnerships, that means shares are not issued within these entities. When we look at the Jersey based entities we see clearly that there are shares issued,

In the case of Velocity Sports Feeder Ltd there are 3 classes of shares - Management, Class A and Class B - all have the same nominal value of £1. As of April 4 2023 only 1 share in VSFL had been issued (to ALK Capital LLC) and on that date it was made into a Management Share. Management Shares have votes per share the others 1 vote for each share

In the case of Velocity Sports limited there are 4 classes of shares - Management, Class A, Class B and Incentive again all have the same nominal value of £1. As of December 24 2020 there were just 3 shares issued out of an allotment of 1m

- ALK Capital LLC had 1 Management Share
- Velocity Sports Partners LLC had 1 Class A Share
- Velocity Sports Feeder Ltd had 1 Class B Share

It seems from my as yet admittedly vague understanding that is these shares that will be allotted to investors as they come on board, given some of the details laid out in the articles. It is noticeable that in general it is assumed that Management Shares will have 100 votes per share and for the most part the other shares will hold no voting rights unless specifically detailed in the articles and then only 1 vote per share.

Other things to note about VSL shares is that Management Shares must always make up at least 25% of the issued shares and that all other shareholders must agree to the anticipated likelihood that their shareholding will be diluted at some future point as others join the group. What is not yet clear to me is, if issues of Management shares to maintain the total issued proportion have to be paid for by the holders.

On the basis of this I have once again had another tweak of the group structure chart as I currently understand it


Assumed ALK Structure May 4 2023.png
Chester - where does Dave Checketts fit into the ownership structure of ALK?
If I remember he was leading the Mormon mission in London at some stage but then thought he was a bought member of ALK?
I saw him on Pace’s instagram on a picture with Alan in which he was wearing a Burnley scarf. It was an old post but reminded me that he must be involved somewhere.
by Chester Perry
Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
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dsr wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:03 pm
I think "we're continuing to put up money to improve the squad" is disingenuous, to say the least. Perhaps he should have said "we're continuing to let the club spend £1 on transfers for every £9 we take out" would be more accurate.

I have yet to see anything to convince me that ALKs primary purpose is anything other than taking money out of the club.
I would not say it was a "shell game" but there are a lot of people being dazzled by what is happening on the pitch who are not seeing what has and is going on off it.

Pace is obviously talking to publications like this because he is looking for new money/investment - you will find that historically Mike Smith has only talked to business/financial media in relation to our club as well - for now Stuart Hunt, Dave Checketts and Antonio Parra have kept stum, which for Checketts in particular is a pretty remarkable state of affairs
by Paul Waine
Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
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ClaretPete001 wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:23 am
On the company details page of the web site.
Thanks. It took me a bit of searching, but finally found the "Company Details" page, somewhere down the hierarchy of pages.

Quoting all of it here:

COMPANY DETAILS
Welcome to the official website of Burnley Football Club

For all Club Privacy Related documents please go HERE

The Club operates and carries out its activities through the following commercial entity:

BURNLEY FOOTBALL & ATHLETIC COMPANY,LIMITED(THE) Turf Moor, Burnley, Lancashire, BB10 4BX

Company Number: 00054222 VAT number: GB 174 3679 35

Directors: Alan Pace Stuart Hunt Mike Smith Dave Checketts Prof. Antonio Davila Mike Garlick John Banaskiewicz

Significant Interest: The Club is a member of the English Premier League (EPL) and English Football League (EFL) and is subject to the EPL and EFL’s rules and regulations. As required by those regulations, the Club can confirm the following person(s) have a ‘significant interest’ (as that term is defined within the EPL and EFL regulations) in the Club:

Burnley Football & Athletic Company Limited is wholly-owned by Burnley FC Holdings Limited, of which 83.97% of its entire issued share capital is owned by Calder Vale Holdings Limited, a company incorporated in England and Wales (“Calder Vale”). Calder Vale is owned, through a wholly-owned subsidiary, by Velocity Sports Limited, a company incorporated in Jersey. ALK Capital LLC and Velocity Sports Partners LLC are the only persons or entities owning 25% or greater of Velocity Sports Limited. ALK Capital LLC holds and controls the voting rights of Velocity Sports Limited, and Alan Pace and Michael Smith are each directors. The persons having a significant interest in Velocity Sports Limited, and therefore Burnley Football & Athletic Company Limited, are Alan Pace (50.382%), Michael Smith (16.794%) and Stuart Hunt (16.794%).

***************

I've added bold and underlined this statement: As required by those regulations, the Club can confirm the following person(s) have a ‘significant interest’ (as that term is defined within the EPL and EFL regulations) in the Club:

I've done this to note that "significant interest" is as that term is defined within the EPL and EFL regulations.

I think I recall question above along the lines of "is this law?" and "why is this inconsistent with what is stated in the club's accounts?"

Simple answer: the EPL and EFL do not create UK laws, we leave that to our elected Parliament. There's no reason why EPL and EFL need to use exactly the same terms as used in company law. So, there can be no inconsistency in using one phrase in one context (the club and EPL/EFL) and another phrase in another context (company accounts prepared according to UK company law).
by Nonayforever
Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:24 pm
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On his wiki Web page, it states Dave Checketts is both an investor and part owner in Burnley football club
by Chester Perry
Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
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aggi wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:07 pm
For Pace to be the ultimate controlling party (per the accounts) then he must have a controlling shareholding (through ownership or other methods) in ALK
My take after much contemplation and examining of other information and press reports was ultimately swayed by the Offer Letter to the small shareholders - which many have not been privy to - this is the relevant section

2. WHO IS VS?

2.1. VS forms part of Velocity Sports Partners Group, which is the sports investment division of ALK Capital LLC (“ALK”). The members of ALK are an experienced team of investment professionals who specialise in the operation of modern sports, media and entertainment organisations.

2.2. One the founding members of ALK is new Chairman Alan Pace. Alan brings 20 years in the financial services industry and over a decade of sports management experience to Burnley. A dual British American national, he was formally a Managing Director and Global Head of Sales for Securities Services at Citi, responsible for overseeing a multibillion-dollar division. Alan is a former partner at SCP Worldwide LLC – owner of sports, entertainment and media properties – and a previous CEO of Major League Soccer franchise Real Salt Lake, where he oversaw the transformation of a consistently last-place team to winning the 2009 MLS Cup.

2.3. All the other founding members of ALK have significant experience of both investing in and managing complex business, elite sports, and financial organisations. The ALK team includes (i) Stuart Hunt, who brings over 20 years of experience in managing and restructuring sports and media groups, success both in financial services for JPMorgan and a variety of hedge funds on Wall Street, and has also built a restaurant business which operates across 70+ locations in the US and UK and employs nearly 2,000 members of staff; (ii) Mike Smith, with over 20 years as an experienced advisor having represented professional American Football leagues and some of the largest companies and most successful entrepreneurs in the world; and (iii) Morgan Edwards, with involvement in more than 400 mergers and acquisitions, totalling more than $40 Billion, and acting as Chief Financial Officer to help develop a number of start-ups into successful businesses.


for information SCP Worldwide LLC is Dave Checketts operation * it is much harder to find info on that than ALK Capital LLC - it doesn't even have a website
by Chester Perry
Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:06 pm
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Tall Paul wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:03 pm
I suppose it's possible (likely) that there are other shareholders in ALK/VSL, but if so they don't appear to have any voting rights or control over BFC.
you will probably find that Antonio Parra and Dave Checketts each have a circa 5% stake in VSL
by ClaretPete001
Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:36 pm
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Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:28 pm
that is an interesting one that I have been trying to get to the bottom of for some time - The Delaware registration makes it impossible

if you use the club websites company details page it suggests a 60:20:20 for Pace:Smith:Hunt but that doesn't account for Morgan Edwards or John Dewey who we have been led to believe are shareholders in ALK and VSL - I have taken that it is reasonable to believe that the split for Pace, Smith and Hunt is as described but for the shareholding (however minor) of Edwards and Dewey

The is also the issue of Antonio Parra and Dave Checketts - directors at the club. I do not have then as shareholders in ALK or Velocity Sports Partners Limited rather as investors/shareholders in Velocity Sports Ltd (Jersey) but that must be classed as personal speculation
Indeed, is it not then reasonable to suggest that no one knows who owns or controls the club?
by Chester Perry
Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:28 pm
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ClaretPete001 wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:14 pm
Hi Chester, do you know who owns the controlling and voting shares of ALK?

The club has explicitly disclosed the share ownership of VSL but does not mention ALK even though the club also claims it is ALK that owns the club and ALK has the controlling and voting shares in the club.

It's not surprising the media focus on it.
that is an interesting one that I have been trying to get to the bottom of for some time - The Delaware registration makes it impossible

if you use the club websites company details page it suggests a 60:20:20 for Pace:Smith:Hunt but that doesn't account for Morgan Edwards or John Dewey who we have been led to believe are shareholders in ALK and VSL - I have taken that it is reasonable to believe that the split for Pace, Smith and Hunt is as described but for the shareholding (however minor) of Edwards and Dewey

The is also the issue of Antonio Parra and Dave Checketts - directors at the club. I do not have then as shareholders in ALK or Velocity Sports Partners Limited rather as investors/shareholders in Velocity Sports Ltd (Jersey) but that must be classed as personal speculation
by GodIsADeeJay81
Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:42 pm
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Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:10 pm
I don’t agree personally. We went through this months ago, I posted loads of links to articles that highlight they were effectively pushed out of the clubs due to poor finances.

They developed the infrastructure of the clubs (no arguments here at all) but in reality they needed to be bought out (with the new owner stating they had failed to make payments for 11 months).
Of course you don't agree, that's par the course.

Pace was there for just 20 mths though as chairman.

Checketts was the owner and he was hindered by the likes of Lehman Brothers going back in 2008, followed by global recession etc.
Yes he struggled, but he had to do a hell of a lot more there than he will here.
He founded RSL club and built it from scratch, in a country where football isn't that popular.
They had no purpose built football stadium, no training facilities, youth set up etc, he had to build all of it..

You'll ignore everything that everything he did at RSL and focus just on the bad without taking into consideration everything that led up to that moment.

Lehman Brothers going bang was a real problem for a lot of people, especially RSL as they were the main backers for the Stadium.

Since then he's also been on the board of Madison Square Garden and president of the Knicks


Look at Inter Miami, it took 8yrs from proposal of creating a new franchise in 2012 to launching the club and a lot of hard work, with failures and success along the way and they still don't have their own purpose built stadium, that's due to be completed in the next couple of years.
That's a lot of work we've never had to think about, because the majority of professional clubs in England have been around for a hundred years or more.
by aggi
Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:39 pm
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KRBFC wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:17 pm
But you are not eligible to receive dividends without being a shareholder? Don't shareholders have to be named? and what is Checketts' role if he doesn't own any shares?
Shareholders are named. It's Calder Vale Holdings Limited who are owned by Kettering Capital Limited. Then you head off overseas to Jersey and Delaware where the rules are much less strict and shareholders don't need to be named.

Dividends will get paid up through the companies and distributed in Jersey or Delaware or wherever.

None of the new directors directly own shares in the club.
by Sleeping Cat
Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:37 pm
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KRBFC wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:17 pm
But you are not eligible to receive dividends without being a shareholder? Don't shareholders have to be named? and what is Checketts' role if he doesn't own any shares?
How I read it is Malcolm Jenkins has invested in ALK, not directly into Burnley FC, so he would not need to be named as a shareholder of BFC. It might also be the case investing does not necessarily equal becoming a shareholder in ALK or if ALK is set up as more of a hedge fund type structure. ALK need more investors to pay off the rest of the agreed deal, so I imagine he will be one of a few more follow, all of whom will be hoping for growth/return on their investment in the long term.
by KRBFC
Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:17 pm
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aggi wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:11 pm
There are many people out there who want to grow their money without worrying about the day to day issues. Just look at all the hedge funds, private equity, etc.
But you are not eligible to receive dividends without being a shareholder? Don't shareholders have to be named? and what is Checketts' role if he doesn't own any shares?
by Paul Waine
Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:59 pm
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So, way, way back in this thread, I'm sure there was discussion of ALK Capital's model. Alan Pace set up ALK as an investment vehicle. He'd previously had a role with Citigroup which involved him dealing with a number of "high net worth" individuals. He'd also previously been involved in sports management and had a relationship with Dave Checketts who also has significant experience in sports management. Both Alan Pace and Dave Checketts are members of Church of Latter Day Saints. Checketts has prior to joining Burnley board of directors been the head of LDS mission in England.

Today we see the announcement of a US sportsman taking a minority investment in ALK - welcome Malcolm Jenkins.

There may well be other new minority investors also joining ALK - including some who have ticked the "no publicity" box.

I see this as the way that ALK are adding to their investment in Burnley - raising new capital by adding new minority investors.

Exciting times.

UTC
by Devils_Advocate
Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:45 am
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Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:35 am
Didn't (some of) the guys in ALK take Salt Lake City from a failing team (in a no relegation league) to win the league?
Not quite Dave Checketts headed up the initial franchise to launch them into the MLS so was responsible for both failings and success.
by KRBFC
Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

So Pace, Smith, Checketts, Davila and Hunt didn't have £180m+ to buy the club, so they used MSD loans against the club and it's assets and money from the club. It was reported they still owed several payments to Garlick, how do they plan to pay for those without the personal wealth to cover it?

Do we know the approx figure owed to Garlick in the 3 payments combined?
Is this going to be even MORE money either taken out of the club or leveraged against the club? Are we going to sell Mcneil to pay Garlick?


6% of shares are owned by fans, the half club credit means one day the club is going to have to cover that cost too, income will take a hit on tickets with many using credit to secure free tickets. Can we really afford to take such a big financial hit in the Championship with this whole club credit?
by aggi
Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:36 pm
I spotted that over the weekend in The Athletic. That shows that Checketts and Davila don't have any shares so the requirement of 4,000 shares to be a director has gone through the window. Not even Bob Lord reached 50% of the shares, nor Mike Garlick although both were close.
That 4,000 share requirement is still there. It's a bit more convoluted because (I assume, until the Athletic clarifies where their figures come from) the shares are held by various companies and we don't know who owns them ultimately.
by aggi
Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:32 pm
Interesting breakdown of the share ownership in the club from the Athletic today - this must reflect the share ownership in ALK (at least proportionately) which says that Alan Pace is very much in charge of the whole shebang - though I do not know where they got this information from because it is not registered at Companies House

BURNLEY

Who owns what?

US-based ALK Capital took over Burnley last December. The firm acquired 83.97 per cent of the shares which are broken down between the three main directors Alan Pace (50.382 per cent), Michael Smith and Stuart Hunt (16.794 per cent each).

The remaining 16.03 per cent are owned by others, including approximately six per cent by the club’s supporters. This month, ALK Capital offered to buy the fans’ shares.

Board members and their roles

Alan Pace — chairman

Michael Smith — director/head of day to day football operations

Stuart Hunt — director

Dave Checketts — director

Antonio Davila — director

Mike Garlick — director

John Banaskiewicz — director
Strange, I'm sure the shares are held by various holding companies and Companies House has those as controlling interests.

If the shareholders are as above then Alan Pace would be flagged on Companies House.
by ClaretTony
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:32 pm
Interesting breakdown of the share ownership in the club from the Athletic today - this must reflect the share ownership in ALK (at least proportionately) which says that Alan Pace is very much in charge of the whole shebang - though I do not know where they got this information from because it is not registered at Companies House

BURNLEY

Who owns what?

US-based ALK Capital took over Burnley last December. The firm acquired 83.97 per cent of the shares which are broken down between the three main directors Alan Pace (50.382 per cent), Michael Smith and Stuart Hunt (16.794 per cent each).

The remaining 16.03 per cent are owned by others, including approximately six per cent by the club’s supporters. This month, ALK Capital offered to buy the fans’ shares.

Board members and their roles

Alan Pace — chairman

Michael Smith — director/head of day to day football operations

Stuart Hunt — director

Dave Checketts — director

Antonio Davila — director

Mike Garlick — director

John Banaskiewicz — director
I spotted that over the weekend in The Athletic. That shows that Checketts and Davila don't have any shares so the requirement of 4,000 shares to be a director has gone through the window. Not even Bob Lord reached 50% of the shares, nor Mike Garlick although both were close.
by Chester Perry
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Interesting breakdown of the share ownership in the club from the Athletic today - this must reflect the share ownership in ALK (at least proportionately) which says that Alan Pace is very much in charge of the whole shebang - though I do not know where they got this information from because it is not registered at Companies House

BURNLEY

Who owns what?

US-based ALK Capital took over Burnley last December. The firm acquired 83.97 per cent of the shares which are broken down between the three main directors Alan Pace (50.382 per cent), Michael Smith and Stuart Hunt (16.794 per cent each).

The remaining 16.03 per cent are owned by others, including approximately six per cent by the club’s supporters. This month, ALK Capital offered to buy the fans’ shares.

Board members and their roles

Alan Pace — chairman

Michael Smith — director/head of day to day football operations

Stuart Hunt — director

Dave Checketts — director

Antonio Davila — director

Mike Garlick — director

John Banaskiewicz — director
by aggi
Sat May 22, 2021 11:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm
If it is this lot https://www.gravitymedia.com/ then you would expect that there are likely to be quite a bit of development on the Clarets player front moving forward

Though I do not see Checketts registered at Compnaies house as a director of anyone but the club

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments
I believe it is. Companies House are terrible for having one person under multiple entries, it's one of the things they're looking at fixing but obviously a huge job.

This company https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

https://www.gravitymedia.com/about-us/m ... checketts/

No idea why or how I came across them though.
by Chester Perry
Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

aggi wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 12:12 pm
Does anyone have any idea why I'm interested in Gravity Media Group? I seem to be following them at Companies House and I assume it's Burnley related as Dave Checketts is a shareholder and director but I have no idea what my interest in them was for and I can't find any mention of them on here.
If it is this lot https://www.gravitymedia.com/ then you would expect that there are likely to be quite a bit of development on the Clarets player front moving forward

Though I do not see Checketts registered at Compnaies house as a director of anyone but the club

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments
by aggi
Fri May 21, 2021 12:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Does anyone have any idea why I'm interested in Gravity Media Group? I seem to be following them at Companies House and I assume it's Burnley related as Dave Checketts is a shareholder and director but I have no idea what my interest in them was for and I can't find any mention of them on here.
by Paul Waine
Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:49 pm
A new interview with the new Chairmain in the I newspaper

Alan Pace: ‘I want Burnley to be the UK’s favourite underdog’
INTERVIEWThe Clarets’ new chairman discusses his background on Wall Street, the controversy surrounding ALK Capital’s takeover and why tech has a big part to play in the future at Turf Moor

By Sam Cunningham
February 19, 2021 6:10 pm(Updated 6:15 pm)

In his early twenties, as a young, energetic entrepreneur, Alan Pace discovered a niche way to make money.

He would identify family businesses whose owners did not have an heir apparent – no daughter or son or distant cousins interested in taking it on – and were coming to the end of their working life. They wanted someone who could continue their legacy, perhaps even expand, and Pace would become that person. He would buy into the business, learn from the owner, take it forward.

In late 1980s California, Pace focused on the farming sector, partnering with a trucking company, a produce business, some import-export firms. His investors liked him and believed in him enough to hand him their money, but it soon became apparent that Pace required formal financial training.

So he set sail for Barcelona to take a master’s degree, in what was the start of a journey that, via two decades on Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, major sports equity firms and a financial crisis, would end some 30 years later at a town in Lancashire. In December he was announced as the new chairman of Burnley after his investment group, ALK Capital, purchased a controlling stake in the club.

But back in the 1990s, his first job in finance was at Lehman Brothers, in their London HQ. After a few years he relocated his family to New York and was then asked to get on board with a sport private equity firm. It led to him becoming chief executive and president of Real Salt Lake, headhunted by owner Dave Checketts, and within two seasons they became MLS champions.

When the financial crisis hit in 2008, Pace was asked to return to banking and spent time at the Federal Reserve – America’s central bank. For the next decade he continued to manage and control multi-billion dollar divisions, until 2019 when he established ALK Capital with the aim of buying a football club.

Before we get to that, though, what is it like being responsible for quite so much money? “What I learned very early on Wall Street is they’re just zeros,” Pace, a dual British -American citizen, says. “My father was an entrepreneur, he would also prepare my tax returns. He’d been an accountant.

“He’d say, ‘Son, it’s only a difference of three or four zeros’. And the reality is – and I think most people on Wall Street would tell you the same thing – once you actually get into it, at first it’s a little overwhelming, the first time you see those kinds of numbers. But it becomes normal; a weird kind of normal. It’s just zeros, and it’s not yours, it’s somebody’s else’s.”

Isn’t that even more pressure? “Depending on what you’re doing, yes, but in my responsibilities, it’s much more like being at a football club. You’re almost a custodian of what you’re dealing with and you’re responsible for not doing any harm.

ALK Capital’s purchase of Burnley has not been free from controversy, and some critics have pointed to the fact that a previously shrewdly-run club, who have invested their returns from several years in the Premier League back into the club, are now saddled with debt. But Pace, 53, insists they are behaving responsibly, and tells i that he is in it for the long haul.

“We looked at a number of clubs around the country. We’d built a model on our side of what we are looking to do, going forward. The simplest thing to think about is we’re looking at building a platform of sports media and entertainment that draws in a tremendous amount of desire to be connected to a club, but not necessarily at that level of what you’re talking about for a Man United or a Chelsea. It draws interest and produces content to fill that interest level.”

Pace has three children under the age of 25 and wants to harness the way they – and young people in general – engage with the world today, mainly online, at Burnley. “If you look at what engagement they have and what drives them, they’d rather see the highlights for five minutes than necessarily watching the whole game.

“If they can see more things regularly, they want to stay connected to things they find interesting. That’s the same reason Snapchat works, Instagram works, the same reason all social media works, because you want to stay connected.

“We’re looking for something to connect to. When you look at something you want to connect to, you’re looking at a couple of different things. What’s the ability to create those connections? But also, how does it operate every day? How much passion and culture is tied to that same thing?”

ALK Capital were looking for a well-run club but with room to grow. “Are you buying a house that’s got holes in the walls and you’re going to have to rebuild the wall? Or are you buying a house that’s already done up, like a Man United or a Man City, and all you get to do is play on the fringes?”

During their search, Pace asked to see how a club was run, the culture, background, what they could potentially do with it. They were not looking for a Manchester City or Liverpool – clubs that are already maximising their potential and left little to play with – but beneath that. “And we found that this club [Burnley] was operated super well. It’s really well disciplined. It’s reinvested the proceeds from their time in the Premier League to things like the academy, rather than things like players, who get injured and end up costing you money.

“I’d love everyone to think of us as Britain’s favourite underdog. You can see how that’s easy to connect to. It’s doesn’t take a lot. We’re small market, we’re outside of Manchester, we’re not big, we’re not sexy, but it’s not hard for somebody to say, look, I don’t know who you are but I can support you when you play my arch-enemy team.”

He adds: “We’ve found that diamond in the rough, sitting here in Burnley, with a great culture and community, a club operating in a way that was fairly unique.”

Pace has experience in sports technology and one way he plans on adding to Burnley is through innovation. They have officially partnered with AiSCOUT, an app through which any young amateur footballer can upload a series of videos showing off their skill that feeds into Burnley’s recruitment team (and other clubs who sign up). It has the potential to revolutionise youth scouting.

“Think of it as crowdfunding talent,” Pace says.

“If I’m trying to build, this is a fairly inexpensive way to leverage the resources that already exist at the club. Those resources are coaching, facilities, the technical side. You’re doing a scouting process remotely. Just like Zoom exploded on the back of Covid, we think AiSCOUT will do the same thing. Clubs can’t send their people out to go do scouting, and there’s way more players out there with way more ambitions than there ever are scouts. So it’s an easy way to compare capabilities and use some of the same intelligence to predict their ability to actually go further.”

Pace understands that winning matches, avoiding relegation, qualifying for Europe, whatever a club’s goals, is the “tremendous pressure that overrides everything” and that AiSCOUT will take five-plus years to create an end product.

“If our goal and long-term thinking is that five-year plan, this technology works beautifully for that. If we can create that culture of using technology and that it’s a safe environment to think about it, then we’ll be able to do other things that may impact game day.

“I can be honest with you: I have a 20-year plan. I break it down into five-year increments and then I’ve got one, three and five for the next five. From being an entrepreneur and businessperson that’s how I’ve always thought about things.”

Another technology on the horizon is Player Lens, a growing global platform which football recruiters can use to search for players and execute transfers. It could potentially cut agents out of the system. “I’m not sure that I really like the agent market very well,” Pace says. “I’m much more comfortable in an electronic exchange, that everyone is transparent and understands. The stock exchange got done with needing to have a broker in the middle a long time ago.”

Like most technological innovation, that would hugely disrupt the agency business. As entrepreneur collides with football, can Burnley disrupt the Premier League?
Thanks for posting, CP.

A few more details in this story - and a "big typo" saying that Alan Pace was at the Federal Reserve, when it was Citigroup.

I like the idea of "long-term thinking" and "20-year plan" in "five-year increments..."

It's very common to "get involved" with family firms with no second generation to take things forward. Interesting if this gives us a Chairman who is used to coming into an established business and thinking how can this be built on and improved...

Exciting times.

UTC
by Chester Perry
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

A new interview with the new Chairmain in the I newspaper

Alan Pace: ‘I want Burnley to be the UK’s favourite underdog’
INTERVIEWThe Clarets’ new chairman discusses his background on Wall Street, the controversy surrounding ALK Capital’s takeover and why tech has a big part to play in the future at Turf Moor

By Sam Cunningham
February 19, 2021 6:10 pm(Updated 6:15 pm)

In his early twenties, as a young, energetic entrepreneur, Alan Pace discovered a niche way to make money.

He would identify family businesses whose owners did not have an heir apparent – no daughter or son or distant cousins interested in taking it on – and were coming to the end of their working life. They wanted someone who could continue their legacy, perhaps even expand, and Pace would become that person. He would buy into the business, learn from the owner, take it forward.

In late 1980s California, Pace focused on the farming sector, partnering with a trucking company, a produce business, some import-export firms. His investors liked him and believed in him enough to hand him their money, but it soon became apparent that Pace required formal financial training.

So he set sail for Barcelona to take a master’s degree, in what was the start of a journey that, via two decades on Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, major sports equity firms and a financial crisis, would end some 30 years later at a town in Lancashire. In December he was announced as the new chairman of Burnley after his investment group, ALK Capital, purchased a controlling stake in the club.

But back in the 1990s, his first job in finance was at Lehman Brothers, in their London HQ. After a few years he relocated his family to New York and was then asked to get on board with a sport private equity firm. It led to him becoming chief executive and president of Real Salt Lake, headhunted by owner Dave Checketts, and within two seasons they became MLS champions.

When the financial crisis hit in 2008, Pace was asked to return to banking and spent time at the Federal Reserve – America’s central bank. For the next decade he continued to manage and control multi-billion dollar divisions, until 2019 when he established ALK Capital with the aim of buying a football club.

Before we get to that, though, what is it like being responsible for quite so much money? “What I learned very early on Wall Street is they’re just zeros,” Pace, a dual British -American citizen, says. “My father was an entrepreneur, he would also prepare my tax returns. He’d been an accountant.

“He’d say, ‘Son, it’s only a difference of three or four zeros’. And the reality is – and I think most people on Wall Street would tell you the same thing – once you actually get into it, at first it’s a little overwhelming, the first time you see those kinds of numbers. But it becomes normal; a weird kind of normal. It’s just zeros, and it’s not yours, it’s somebody’s else’s.”

Isn’t that even more pressure? “Depending on what you’re doing, yes, but in my responsibilities, it’s much more like being at a football club. You’re almost a custodian of what you’re dealing with and you’re responsible for not doing any harm.

ALK Capital’s purchase of Burnley has not been free from controversy, and some critics have pointed to the fact that a previously shrewdly-run club, who have invested their returns from several years in the Premier League back into the club, are now saddled with debt. But Pace, 53, insists they are behaving responsibly, and tells i that he is in it for the long haul.

“We looked at a number of clubs around the country. We’d built a model on our side of what we are looking to do, going forward. The simplest thing to think about is we’re looking at building a platform of sports media and entertainment that draws in a tremendous amount of desire to be connected to a club, but not necessarily at that level of what you’re talking about for a Man United or a Chelsea. It draws interest and produces content to fill that interest level.”

Pace has three children under the age of 25 and wants to harness the way they – and young people in general – engage with the world today, mainly online, at Burnley. “If you look at what engagement they have and what drives them, they’d rather see the highlights for five minutes than necessarily watching the whole game.

“If they can see more things regularly, they want to stay connected to things they find interesting. That’s the same reason Snapchat works, Instagram works, the same reason all social media works, because you want to stay connected.

“We’re looking for something to connect to. When you look at something you want to connect to, you’re looking at a couple of different things. What’s the ability to create those connections? But also, how does it operate every day? How much passion and culture is tied to that same thing?”

ALK Capital were looking for a well-run club but with room to grow. “Are you buying a house that’s got holes in the walls and you’re going to have to rebuild the wall? Or are you buying a house that’s already done up, like a Man United or a Man City, and all you get to do is play on the fringes?”

During their search, Pace asked to see how a club was run, the culture, background, what they could potentially do with it. They were not looking for a Manchester City or Liverpool – clubs that are already maximising their potential and left little to play with – but beneath that. “And we found that this club [Burnley] was operated super well. It’s really well disciplined. It’s reinvested the proceeds from their time in the Premier League to things like the academy, rather than things like players, who get injured and end up costing you money.

“I’d love everyone to think of us as Britain’s favourite underdog. You can see how that’s easy to connect to. It’s doesn’t take a lot. We’re small market, we’re outside of Manchester, we’re not big, we’re not sexy, but it’s not hard for somebody to say, look, I don’t know who you are but I can support you when you play my arch-enemy team.”

He adds: “We’ve found that diamond in the rough, sitting here in Burnley, with a great culture and community, a club operating in a way that was fairly unique.”

Pace has experience in sports technology and one way he plans on adding to Burnley is through innovation. They have officially partnered with AiSCOUT, an app through which any young amateur footballer can upload a series of videos showing off their skill that feeds into Burnley’s recruitment team (and other clubs who sign up). It has the potential to revolutionise youth scouting.

“Think of it as crowdfunding talent,” Pace says.

“If I’m trying to build, this is a fairly inexpensive way to leverage the resources that already exist at the club. Those resources are coaching, facilities, the technical side. You’re doing a scouting process remotely. Just like Zoom exploded on the back of Covid, we think AiSCOUT will do the same thing. Clubs can’t send their people out to go do scouting, and there’s way more players out there with way more ambitions than there ever are scouts. So it’s an easy way to compare capabilities and use some of the same intelligence to predict their ability to actually go further.”

Pace understands that winning matches, avoiding relegation, qualifying for Europe, whatever a club’s goals, is the “tremendous pressure that overrides everything” and that AiSCOUT will take five-plus years to create an end product.

“If our goal and long-term thinking is that five-year plan, this technology works beautifully for that. If we can create that culture of using technology and that it’s a safe environment to think about it, then we’ll be able to do other things that may impact game day.

“I can be honest with you: I have a 20-year plan. I break it down into five-year increments and then I’ve got one, three and five for the next five. From being an entrepreneur and businessperson that’s how I’ve always thought about things.”

Another technology on the horizon is Player Lens, a growing global platform which football recruiters can use to search for players and execute transfers. It could potentially cut agents out of the system. “I’m not sure that I really like the agent market very well,” Pace says. “I’m much more comfortable in an electronic exchange, that everyone is transparent and understands. The stock exchange got done with needing to have a broker in the middle a long time ago.”

Like most technological innovation, that would hugely disrupt the agency business. As entrepreneur collides with football, can Burnley disrupt the Premier League?
by Chester Perry
Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:10 pm
Im ignoring the bits i've highlighted in red as im just trying to discuss our views and I have never been one to make a case either way for if Garlick or any of our over directors are good people and fans. I agree with you that these people who build them up as saints rather than business men are a bit silly so whether its Kilby, Garlick or Pace I look at the results we produce and not the morality of the person behind it.

Also this give them a chance means nothing to me as again I dont prejudge anyone good or bad so its not a case of giving them a chance or piling on to them for me but wait and see. That said there's nothing wrong with people discussing whats going on even of some do go to the extremes at both side

So that leaves me with what you actually said that is relevant to our discussion and again I dont think you are representing the situation fairly and accurately. The bit about once down we can sell off our assets to pay off the debt is potentially a big disadvantage to if we went down with Garlick still in charge with no debt and £50m in the bank.

With no debt and money in the bank we can afford to keep onto our good players and if we have to sell some because they have outgrown us then we can invest in players to get us back up. Its what happened last time we went down where we kept a lot of players and were able to spend what was a lot of money at the time for us and the Championship on Gray who was key to getting us up that season.

If we go down and sell all our best players to pay off the debt and lower the wage bill then the chances of us being in a position to bounce back is a lot less likely.

Now all the above is based on going down and that might not happen. My view is we are less likely to go down under the new ownership than under Garlick so I can understand for some people that being braver and rolling the dice to stay up is a preferred option.

I just remember over the last 5 or 6 years how one of the things most Burnley fans stood behind was that w are going to go down eventually and when we do lets not end up like a Bolton or a Portsmouth. Well rolling the dice does now put us in a position whereby a few bad decisions and some mistakes thats where we could end up.

In summary for me it seems that we are taking a bit of a risk that we can leverage the club in the short term to build for a better and stronger future but at the risk of if we do go down we may run into some serious financial trouble.

How it will pan out who knows and which one of the two options you prefer is down to personal preference. Im still no real feeling or care for which of the two strategys I prefer so I really am the archetypal wait and see person but the bit I like is the discussion and debate. Whether it be the interesting sensible stuff, the people who are either ridiculously positive or ridiculously negative or those who just like a good old argument it definitely makes this board a bit more interesting to read
The difficulty for some to comprehend (or accept) is that the club is being leveraged for the talent in the boardroom, and not to invest in the club in a financial sense that the majority of us would understand. The challenge is for that talent, having effectively removed the ability to leverage the assets of the club to invest in their strategy and having no known additional monies to invest is to find a revenue uplift to do so (or investment partners - hence the talk of a partial flip). This follows the same paths of Checketts previous two attempts at owning a sports franchise, he ultimately failed in both (though both were in better positions structurally and organisationally on his exit), he performed much better on the second effort but ultimately found he could not finance his plans and had to step aside, the first time he was forced to sell up by the league. Time will tell if enough relevant lessons have been learnt and are suitable to be applied to English Football

I have repeatedly spoken against debt in football, though I fully accept that it is an important tool for business development (as has been clearly detailed by KateR and aggi a number of times), I would be less apprehensive if the debt was being used to to invest in projects that would lead to a planned increase in revenues such as stand or retail development. This debt and reduction of the cash holding is a the cost of bringing a willingness for a different kind of risk to the boardroom combined with a wider range of talents. That seems an expensive burden, if you wanted the talents at executive level you could argue that the £6m+ we are hearing is the cost of servicing the interest on the debt could have been spent on recruiting that talent and vision. Of course that would still leave Mike Garlick as Chairman, and it has seemed apparent that would encourage the manager to leave at the opportunity and whim of his choosing with a reportedly toxic atmosphere seeping through the club in the meantime.

For now the manager has got his wish on the player contract front, and seems content to be working with a different person, he has effectively been given the power to dethrone the board and with so much resting on his shoulders from a performance and marketing perspective you wonder what may happen if he becomes unhappy with the limitations of the club?

There is much to ponder, much to wish for and much to worry about, we have had our sliding doors trigger event and now must watch on and hope for a happy ending
by Chester Perry
Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:42 pm

People saying we shouldn't be concerned let alone talk about it need to go for a serious walk on their own.
I do not recall seeing anyone saying we shouldn't be concerned, the thing I have taken from this is that many people (if not all) are concerned by the risk taken, to apparent advantage of the new owners. a number are prepared to wait to see what the club will gain from their experience, knowledge and expertise and preparedness to take risks that the previous owners would not (though the previous owners did engage in a lot of risk during their tenure, just not the ones a number wanted them too).

I am still still trying to work out whether two previous attempts to develop a franchise/club by Checketts is a good sign for the club, he did improve many things in both, but ultimately was side lined through a lack of actual money. The 2nd (in which Pace was involved for a time) was a better attempt than the first so we have to hope many more lessons have been learned. The concern though is that those were heavily regulated franchises with no relegation to threaten revenues. It is important to remember that the majority of ultimately successful entrepreneurs previously had failures, that end up sharpening their ability to succeed, it is the determination to try and try again that often singles them out.
by claretonthecoast1882
Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:24 am
I find it hard to believe that nobody saw this coming when the details of the takeover were announced.

Prior to the takeover I estimated that we had 30-40m in the dry powder store. I still think that was very near the mark.

Covid probably cost us 5-10m, but we gained back some money because we lost some big wage earners that we didn't replace with new incomings. Three players at 50k per week over a year would equate to a saving of 7.5m. I suspect that the remainder of the reputed 55m was due to a cash flow spike resulting from funds allocated for bonuses that are yet to be paid.

Now, going back to before the take over we posted a small profit in our last set of accounts. That was only possible because of outstanding monies owed to us from some big transfer sales. In recent windows our expenditure on players has exceeded the revenue from selling players. In my books that means our future player trading account will see us post a deficit if nothing changes.

So, one or all of these things could be true

All of our dry powder money was swallowed up in the take over.
Our player trading account will be in the red.
Revenue will be down due to Covid for some time.
We may lose some of our sponsors or they refuse to pay.
We now have to service what could be a loan of 60m at 10% ( 6m a year )
Our new owners have no more money to put into the club.

The new owners have three further payments to make which could be 75-100m in total

And people think we have money to spend on transfers ?

We have no money, we have debt and the owners need to raise money to pay off all the outstanding amounts to our previous shareholders.

My prognosis is that we can't afford to stay in the Premier League. The only way we can settle all of our new debts and facilitate a positive cash flow is to get relegated. Selling Tarks, McNeil, Pope, Wood and Taylor would generate a considerable amount and reduce our wage bill. Waving goodbye to players at the end of their contracts will free up more cash and relegation wage reduction clauses will do the rest. Finally, the parachute payments will swell the coffers, especially with the reduced operational cost of a lower wage bill.

All told that should cover the repayment of 150m in debt and leave us a small amount to rebuild the team with free transfers and youngsters. If we stay up and we are running at a loss of 10m or so then every season will chip away at the equity in the club and we will eventually go bust. Relegation would pay off the debts, reduce ALK's investment and risk to zero and set them up for a big profit if we get promoted again.

If that sounds like a whacky assessment it is only because people are currently under the impression that Alan Pace is the controlling partner in ALK. I'm of the opinion that he is simply the face of the company and a place holder while Dave Checketts finishes up his missionary work so he can play a more active role in six months.

Dave Checketts leads from the front, being a back seat passenger ( director ) simply isn't part of his personality.

For those who haven't done their homework the strategy I previously outlined is the one that Checketts put in place when he was a minority owner of the St Louis Blues.

https://www.stlouisgametime.com/2012/5/ ... cketts-era

The sooner people dump their pie in the sky appraisals of a difficult financial situation and grasp the stark reality of our current predicament the better we will all be.

We were bought by a group of people that obviously have a sincere desire to develop and grow the club, but they don't have a pot to **** in between them.

:D :D I thought your transfer posts would take some beating
by arise_sir_charge
Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:24 am
I find it hard to believe that nobody saw this coming when the details of the takeover were announced.

Prior to the takeover I estimated that we had 30-40m in the dry powder store. I still think that was very near the mark.

Covid probably cost us 5-10m, but we gained back some money because we lost some big wage earners that we didn't replace with new incomings. Three players at 50k per week over a year would equate to a saving of 7.5m. I suspect that the remainder of the reputed 55m was due to a cash flow spike resulting from funds allocated for bonuses that are yet to be paid.

Now, going back to before the take over we posted a small profit in our last set of accounts. That was only possible because of outstanding monies owed to us from some big transfer sales. In recent windows our expenditure on players has exceeded the revenue from selling players. In my books that means our future player trading account will see us post a deficit if nothing changes.

So, one or all of these things could be true

All of our dry powder money was swallowed up in the take over.
Our player trading account will be in the red.
Revenue will be down due to Covid for some time.
We may lose some of our sponsors or they refuse to pay.
We now have to service what could be a loan of 60m at 10% ( 6m a year )
Our new owners have no more money to put into the club.

The new owners have three further payments to make which could be 75-100m in total

And people think we have money to spend on transfers ?

We have no money, we have debt and the owners need to raise money to pay off all the outstanding amounts to our previous shareholders.

My prognosis is that we can't afford to stay in the Premier League. The only way we can settle all of our new debts and facilitate a positive cash flow is to get relegated. Selling Tarks, McNeil, Pope, Wood and Taylor would generate a considerable amount and reduce our wage bill. Waving goodbye to players at the end of their contracts will free up more cash and relegation wage reduction clauses will do the rest. Finally, the parachute payments will swell the coffers, especially with the reduced operational cost of a lower wage bill.

All told that should cover the repayment of 150m in debt and leave us a small amount to rebuild the team with free transfers and youngsters. If we stay up and we are running at a loss of 10m or so then every season will chip away at the equity in the club and we will eventually go bust. Relegation would pay off the debts, reduce ALK's investment and risk to zero and set them up for a big profit if we get promoted again.

If that sounds like a whacky assessment it is only because people are currently under the impression that Alan Pace is the controlling partner in ALK. I'm of the opinion that he is simply the face of the company and a place holder while Dave Checketts finishes up his missionary work so he can play a more active role in six months.

Dave Checketts leads from the front, being a back seat passenger ( director ) simply isn't part of his personality.

For those who haven't done their homework the strategy I previously outlined is the one that Checketts put in place when he was a minority owner of the St Louis Blues.

https://www.stlouisgametime.com/2012/5/ ... cketts-era

The sooner people dump their pie in the sky appraisals of a difficult financial situation and grasp the stark reality of our current predicament the better we will all be.

We were bought by a group of people that obviously have a sincere desire to develop and grow the club, but they don't have a pot to **** in between them.
What a bizarre hypothesis.
by Long Time Lurker
Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

I find it hard to believe that nobody saw this coming when the details of the takeover were announced.

Prior to the takeover I estimated that we had 30-40m in the dry powder store. I still think that was very near the mark.

Covid probably cost us 5-10m, but we gained back some money because we lost some big wage earners that we didn't replace with new incomings. Three players at 50k per week over a year would equate to a saving of 7.5m. I suspect that the remainder of the reputed 55m was due to a cash flow spike resulting from funds allocated for bonuses that are yet to be paid.

Now, going back to before the take over we posted a small profit in our last set of accounts. That was only possible because of outstanding monies owed to us from some big transfer sales. In recent windows our expenditure on players has exceeded the revenue from selling players. In my books that means our future player trading account will see us post a deficit if nothing changes.

So, one or all of these things could be true

All of our dry powder money was swallowed up in the take over.
Our player trading account will be in the red.
Revenue will be down due to Covid for some time.
We may lose some of our sponsors or they refuse to pay.
We now have to service what could be a loan of 60m at 10% ( 6m a year )
Our new owners have no more money to put into the club.

The new owners have three further payments to make which could be 75-100m in total

And people think we have money to spend on transfers ?

We have no money, we have debt and the owners need to raise money to pay off all the outstanding amounts to our previous shareholders.

My prognosis is that we can't afford to stay in the Premier League. The only way we can settle all of our new debts and facilitate a positive cash flow is to get relegated. Selling Tarks, McNeil, Pope, Wood and Taylor would generate a considerable amount and reduce our wage bill. Waving goodbye to players at the end of their contracts will free up more cash and relegation wage reduction clauses will do the rest. Finally, the parachute payments will swell the coffers, especially with the reduced operational cost of a lower wage bill.

All told that should cover the repayment of 150m in debt and leave us a small amount to rebuild the team with free transfers and youngsters. If we stay up and we are running at a loss of 10m or so then every season will chip away at the equity in the club and we will eventually go bust. Relegation would pay off the debts, reduce ALK's investment and risk to zero and set them up for a big profit if we get promoted again.

If that sounds like a whacky assessment it is only because people are currently under the impression that Alan Pace is the controlling partner in ALK. I'm of the opinion that he is simply the face of the company and a place holder while Dave Checketts finishes up his missionary work so he can play a more active role in six months.

Dave Checketts leads from the front, being a back seat passenger ( director ) simply isn't part of his personality.

For those who haven't done their homework the strategy I previously outlined is the one that Checketts put in place when he was a minority owner of the St Louis Blues.

https://www.stlouisgametime.com/2012/5/ ... cketts-era

The sooner people dump their pie in the sky appraisals of a difficult financial situation and grasp the stark reality of our current predicament the better we will all be.

We were bought by a group of people that obviously have a sincere desire to develop and grow the club, but they don't have a pot to **** in between them.
by JohnMcGreal
Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1263388

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:03 pm
I predicted this in a long article I have done for the London Clarets.

At the end of the day, they have no money themselves, they know they are on the limit with credit and the ability to service it, they themselves have said they have a tight schedule to make the next payments, it must always have been the plan to bring in new money, ideally at a profit - I suspect Checketts and Parra being announced so early was to make the club more attractive to American investors, they are well regarded in PE over there.
So if they had to borrow a load of money to buy the club, and now they need to borrow more money just to service the debts (or make the next payments), what exactly is Burnley Football Club getting out of this?

How are these people going to invest in the squad for example, when they can barely afford to meet the costs of actually buying the club to begin with?
by Newcastleclaret93
Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:03 pm
I predicted this in a long article I have done for the London Clarets.

At the end of the day, they have no money themselves, they know they are on the limit with credit and the ability to service it, they themselves have said they have a tight schedule to make the next payments, it must always have been the plan to bring in new money, ideally at a profit - I suspect Checketts and Parra being announced so early was to make the club more attractive to American investors, they are well regarded in PE over there.
Chester could share the report on here? Would be interested in reading it.

In your opinion is this something to be concerned about.
by Chester Perry
Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:58 pm
Chester you obviously have a much better understanding than I.

Surely this is very concerning? No investment in the transfer window and the owners are trying to flip shares so they can afford to pay off Garlick?
I predicted this in a long article I have done for the London Clarets.

At the end of the day, they have no money themselves, they know they are on the limit with credit and the ability to service it, they themselves have said they have a tight schedule to make the next payments, it must always have been the plan to bring in new money, ideally at a profit - I suspect Checketts and Parra being announced so early was to make the club more attractive to American investors, they are well regarded in PE over there.
by Chester Perry
Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Checketts and Parra confirmed as Directors of Burnley FC Holdings - given the articles of Association not being amended for Directors we have to assume that they have stumped up over £6m each for shares - they are not directors of ALK UK, Velocity Sports, Kettering Capital or Calder Vale

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history
by Chester Perry
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

9thMay1987 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:44 pm
Perhaps we need to look at this from a slightly different angle.

Our new direcrors are senior members of the LDS faith.

They have 16 million members and I believe Mr. Checketts is ranked 39 in the order of people of influence.

From the Wall Street Journal the Church has a secret investment fund of $100BILLION administrated through Ensign Peak Advisors of Salt Lake City.

Very probably there is no linkage but just a thought we may have some powerful new friends.
They have powerful friends, there is a a very powerful and wealthy network of Mormon's, who may or may not want to be involved - Michael Dell is reportedly one of this network, though I would not think that helped in any way with the loan given he has targeted English Football for lending prior to this takeover, CoLDS money would not be used in this way or form would be my take.
by 9thMay1987
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Perhaps we need to look at this from a slightly different angle.

Our new direcrors are senior members of the LDS faith.

They have 16 million members and I believe Mr. Checketts is ranked 39 in the order of people of influence.

From the Wall Street Journal the Church has a secret investment fund of $100BILLION administrated through Ensign Peak Advisors of Salt Lake City.

Very probably there is no linkage but just a thought we may have some powerful new friends.
by Chester Perry
Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:07 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Richardsbfc wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:15 am
Thanks Chester. Although, this Checketts seems an interesting one when he comes on board. I just read that he will be joining the board in the near future due to some current commitments.

I’ll have to do some more digging on him.
Checketts is indeed an interesting one - Think Daniel Levy and Richard Scudamore in one (and possibly more successful than both) - that is why I struggle to see him at a club like ours - he seems to be what some one like Barcelona or Inter Milan need - both struggling financially and either wanting to significantly redevelop or build a new stadium
by NewClaret
Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:10 am
no, at best it is about $130m for some of his share - it was a 3 way split and one of the original partners completely sold themselves out completely, the other 2 sold no more than 10% each of their share holding

and I repeat it is not expected that he is part of the deal in any form, now or in the future
Ah, that’s a shame. Still, $130m will be a nice contribution towards the January window :D

When you say he’s not expected to be part of the deal, do you mean you don’t expect him to be or has there been some media commentary on it?

You’d expect he & Checketts have a good history, given his previous role, so it would be great if he could tempt him to join the group, even in a minority position.
by Richardsbfc
Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Thanks Chester. Although, this Checketts seems an interesting one when he comes on board. I just read that he will be joining the board in the near future due to some current commitments.

I’ll have to do some more digging on him.
by NewClaret
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:23 pm
The business Jerry Jones set up with the owner of the New York Mets (Legends Hospitality) was this week valued at over $1 billion when a Private Equity company bought a 51% share (posted about this in the MMT thread yesterday) - it was headed up by Checketts when it first launched. It specializes in stadium development and premium hospitality development - for American Investors it is something of a grail organisation because the owners have effectively made a 2nd billion dollar business out of the knowledge built up in when they built their first Multi-billion dollar businesses.

I fully expect the hospitality side to be a bit more expensive and much improved offering in the next few years at the club. given the experience of ALK's directors in that area
That’s interesting. So JJ has $1bn burning a hole in his pocket? Hope AP can tempt him to part with some of that!! ;)