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by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: FAO cricketfieldclarets
Replies: 57
Views: 1574

Re: FAO cricketfieldclarets

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:29 pm
1914 winners
1947 losing finalists
1962 losing finalist
1974 losing semi finalist

A history of reading the semi-final, last four, 4 times in 106 years.

Sean Dyche is really letting the club down. NOT
1961 losing semi finalist.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sorry but you have to laugh
Replies: 55
Views: 2799

Re: Sorry but you have to laugh

Some of you make me laugh. We’ve just beaten Leicester at home and Man UTD away and you want to complain about losing, what is these days considered by most, an insignificant cup match. The primary focus is to stay in this league. Let Norwich continue the draining cup run. We concentrate on surviva...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sorry but you have to laugh
Replies: 55
Views: 2799

Re: Sorry but you have to laugh

And has anybody even mentioned focusing on an "easy" Cup run?

And where has the OP gone?
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sorry but you have to laugh
Replies: 55
Views: 2799

Re: Sorry but you have to laugh

Why does it have to be one to the exclusion of the other?
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: And that is why the crowd was 8k
Replies: 153
Views: 5276

Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

So it would be correct to say that the balance sheet looks good? That can only be conjecture at this moment in time, and some speculation on my part. A lot can happen financially in the 18 months since we last saw a Profit & Loss account. As I said the real killer now has become the size of Wage bi...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: And that is why the crowd was 8k
Replies: 153
Views: 5276

Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:57 pm
Do you not think the club will be posting another substantial profit?
Only as a result of the profit on sale of Vokes and Heaton. Without those we would have struggled to break-even, such is the enormity of our Wage bill now.
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: And that is why the crowd was 8k
Replies: 153
Views: 5276

Re: And that is why the crowd was 8k

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:21 pm
Yes, the balance sheet looks good, as does the league table, and ultimately both are more important than being in the draw for the 5th round of the cup.
The balance sheet looks good?..........And how do you know that?

The last one we saw is over 18 months old.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Good point for Burnley at the Hawthorns
Replies: 8
Views: 591

Re: ARTICLE: Good point for Burnley at the Hawthorns

Strange the bits and pieces you remember from games........Due mainly to his unbelievable pace Ray Pointer would normally find a way to avoid a heavy tackle, but not this time. Don Howe hit Ray with a crunching tackle which resulted in our man ending the match lame. Dad said not to worry Ray will fi...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

I remember a League Cup game on the Turf against Arsenal which I think ended 3-3. I remember Brian O’Neil scoring I think the first of ours at The Cricket Field End and horribly Frank McLintock scoring two for them. I believe it was the first ever Pay Per View game on the ‘new’ pay televisions. It ...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Pub closures
Replies: 38
Views: 2699

Re: Burnley Pub closures

Dark Cloud wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:14 pm
And how much was he charging you for your pint, Roy? ;)
A lot less than the Four Alls are charging right now, Dark Cloud. :)
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Pub closures
Replies: 38
Views: 2699

Re: Burnley Pub closures

One or Two Burnley players from the 1914 FA Cup Final and 1921 Div 1 Championship winning teams went onto own pubs around Burnley. The Grey Mare Gannow Lane being one, and I can’t at this time just think of his name. It wasn’t a healthy atmosphere to live in then, from the stench of pipe and cigare...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Good point for Burnley at the Hawthorns
Replies: 8
Views: 591

Re: ARTICLE: Good point for Burnley at the Hawthorns

Good point away at The Hawthorns. Dad always used to rave about this WBA side as being one of the most attractive teams to watch and was packed full of England internationals including Don Howe, Ronnie Allen, Derek Kevan and, of course, Sir Bobby. Mac was missing again for us, as was Pilky who was a...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

The Blizzard with a history of televised football - given Bob Lord's infamous stance - I was surprised at how often we feature in the article (and not for that reason which doesn't get mentioned - they prefer to say it was Spurs) https://www.theblizzard.co.uk/article/football-tv-B5 Very informative...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

article on why UEFA should not be complacent about finances in the club game - essentially a (justified) rebuke to the tone of the benchmarking report published last week http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/01/20/financial-blues-chelsea-everton-show-uefa-complacency-unjustified/#.XiW9hqeGXaw.tw...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our last sweeper?
Replies: 58
Views: 1852

Re: Our last sweeper?

I remember Arthur Bellamy being used as a sweeper but I also have earlier memories of a sweeper being employed. I was away at college at the time so I did not witness it but read newspaper reports of it. In the 65/66 season we were very successful playing 4-2-4 with O’Neill and Harris as the midfie...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@KieranMaguire is busy doing his thing with the Everton 2018/19 financial results as well https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1217209083171934210 First real opportunity to take a proper look at the Everton figures, and to say there are some startling numbers in there would be an understatement...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our last sweeper?
Replies: 58
Views: 1852

Re: Our last sweeper?

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:00 pm
Arthur Bellamy was the First i can recall playing as a sweeper.
Has to be Arthur. Remember our first poor attempt at Leicester in 1966'67, think we lost the game 1-5.

But persevered with Bellamy who was pretty good in the position.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our last sweeper?
Replies: 58
Views: 1852

Re: Our last sweeper?

quoonbeatz wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:51 pm
I'm more of a libero than a sweeper tbh.
To be fair, quoonbeatz, your dad Ken was more than adequate in the sweeper role.
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Our last sweeper?
Replies: 58
Views: 1852

Re: Our last sweeper?

I suppose the next logical question has to be....Who was the first Burnley player to operate in the sweeper role for a number of games ?.....Anyone?
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Have to say, and not for the first time, that Swiss Ramble take an unbelievably in-depth analysis of Chelsea's financial situation. The best part for us is where he makes comparison with all other PL clubs and particularly interesting is a look and breakdown of our Broadcast Income for the '18/'19 s...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

@SwissRamble with his usual excellent analysis - Chelsea's financial results 2018/19 https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1215183113942437888 Some astronomical figures there at Chelsea. When perusing other PL clubs' accounts always find it interesting to make comparison with Burnley's wherever po...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:31 pm
the last "charge" held over Burnley has been released as we never used the facility

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 3242710017
And not before time.
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

on Tuesday Everton have their annual shareholders meeting, where their financial plight will be revealed in all it's PR wrapped glory - it is the first time they have done so without prior release of the results to the small shareholders - it could get interesting/heated though many are prepared fo...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

following his recent spate of animated graphics (there is another I will link shortly) @KieranMaguire has published a study on wages in the Premier League up to the last set of Financial results https://www.whataretheodds.co.uk/premier-league-wages/ Burnley at £258m ?? I have Burnley's cumulative P...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bob Lord Stand
Replies: 20
Views: 2264

Re: Bob Lord Stand

I'm sure I remember the Wrexham game as being 3 sides still. That was a remarkable day winning 1-0 in front of a packed Turf of 35,500 fans, including 12,000 from Wrexham. The day that Bob Lord banned the cameras and for many years there seemed to be no footage from the game. Then on 15th January 2...
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bob Lord Stand
Replies: 20
Views: 2264

Re: Bob Lord Stand

First game the Bob Lord stand was open was the 5th Round FA Cup tie against Villa on 16th Feb.'74.
by Royboyclaret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return
Replies: 98
Views: 4696

Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Blackrod wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:32 pm
I wonder how much of the 110 k week we paid. Crazy for what he offered on the pitch and the pathetic off the field antics.
The average weekly wage at Chelsea last season was in excess of £130k.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Going on the Turf - 1920
Replies: 56
Views: 2595

Re: Going on the Turf - 1920

I love this sort of stuff. Are there any good sites that have collections of old Burnley pictures? Worth noting that we lost 6 games though that season though. Dyche’s fault. Check back on this site, bud, about 6 months ago. The thread was Burnley fc in pictures, think started by Steve1956. One of ...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Going on the Turf - 1920
Replies: 56
Views: 2595

Re: Going on the Turf - 1920

Looks to be a nice sunny day, perhaps it was the first game of the season against Bradford City. We lost 1-4 but it was the only defeat at home all season. Dad often talked about that game as being one the first he could remember as a little 'un. Lost the next two away and then went on a 30 game unb...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Going on the Turf - 1920
Replies: 56
Views: 2595

Re: Going on the Turf - 1920

Good stuff, Mike.

What a team......what a season.
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"
Replies: 168
Views: 7600

Re: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"

In the capital and reserves Last reported figure in the P&L account was £60.6m with total shareholders funds of £76.7m. That figure is on the Balance Sheet, not the P&L, and the £60.666m is within the Total Shareholders Funds of £76.684m. As posted earlier the Cash at Bank and in hand was £34.412m....
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"
Replies: 168
Views: 7600

Re: Dyche - "Mike Rigg has had it tougher than expected"

Over the last 6 years up to June 2018, turnover has been just over £400m, operating profit (before depreciation) just over £100m, and net spend on players about £55m. We are left with less than £50m spare cash, a fair chunk of which has been spent on Gawthorpe, and £10m more on repaying the directo...
by Royboyclaret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Things not well at the club?
Replies: 104
Views: 5938

Re: Things not well at the club?

I’ve said before that, to me, the chase and capture of the Premier League has been better than trying to stop it escaping again. Without outside investment we are trapped in a paradox. We can’t compete in the Premier League, even with the PL Money, but we also can’t compete in the Championship over...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Things not well at the club?
Replies: 104
Views: 5938

Re: Things not well at the club?

The £80m is all of the clubs wages - players, manager, coaches, sports scientists, and all other staff. I thought we employed around 100 staff in total - might be wrong with that but I know the non playing staff has increased a lot since we have been in this league. I’d say in terms of playing staf...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

For anyone who wondered we were on 280 Mill just below Leeds and Portsmouth it is scary how much some of the Clubs in this list have paid out baring in mind how long the likes of Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan and Portsmouth have been out of the prem. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Found this very interesting wages paid from 1992/93 to 2018/19 from the excellent Kieran Maguire again. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1190706/ Fascinating graphs and might be of interest to some to place those Wage bills for Burnley alongside the Net Profit for the same years in Ches...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

For balance here is another animated graphic looking at pre-tax profit in the history of the Premier League https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1213920989794443264 Brilliant to see that 'little old Burnley' appear at 4th in the list of Clubs earning pre-tax Profits in the Premier League. I thi...
by Royboyclaret
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 3085
Views: 311470

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Are Everton about to get another Billionaire investor? - there is no doubt that they need the money and the relationship with the current major shareholder is very well established https://www.ft.com/content/396c358c-2d75-11ea-bc77-65e4aa615551 Be intriguing to take a serious look at these potentia...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation
Replies: 244
Views: 8615

Re: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation

if they really want to "stretch the structure" sell up and let people with the capability move in. Wile........That's the reason I offered an open-mind solution to your similar thread of a few days ago. To avoid repetition, perhaps a link to that thread might now be appropriate. To be fair to Crick...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation
Replies: 244
Views: 8615

Re: The chairman’s comments on the transfer situation

David Brookes, Dan James, James Maddison for example, I'd never heard of them before there transfers and subsequent appearances....we just dont tap into the lower leagues like others do. I'm still shocked at our wage bill given the players we have, we have done exceptionally well there is no doubti...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..
Replies: 4
Views: 248

Re: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..

Thinking about it more, there really should be a film made about that period at Burnley Football Club and in particular captain Tommy Boyle. The problem is anyone not familiar with our history would not believe the facts........Tommy captains the side to win the FA Cup in 1914, then goes off to figh...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points
Replies: 4
Views: 373

Re: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points

Interesting reference to Colin McDonald in the linked article having played an 'A' team game at Gawthorpe as part of his long term recovery from a broken leg. There was a massive buzz around town that his return to the first team was imminent, but ever so sadly it never happened. Colin struggled on ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points
Replies: 4
Views: 373

Re: ARTICLE: Floods at the Bee Hole End but more away points

Quite possibly this was the performance of the season so far, 5-2 away at West Ham, a team that had won their previous seven home games on the bounce. Plenty of Burnley fans there to see it too. No Jimmy Mac but Ian Lawson, as ever, proved a worthy deputy and scored a couple. Mac, by his own admissi...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..
Replies: 4
Views: 248

Re: The beginning of Champs. 2020 Centenary..

1920/21, a truly remarkable season. Starts with three defeats on the bounce, then the following 30 games undefeated and finally Champions of Division One. Halley, Boyle & Watson, household names. Bob Kelly 20 goals, Joe Anderson 25 goals. Even 7 goals from man mountain and captain Tommy Boyle at cen...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.
Replies: 53
Views: 2400

Re: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.

believe me, I am a dullard when it comes to these (and probably most other) topics, but if there is a plan of action, or a next phase, all well and good. I would rather we remained strong, but with a local link too. But I can't see how we can compete or improve that much with a colossal wage bill a...
by Royboyclaret
Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.
Replies: 53
Views: 2400

Re: time for a buy out if we want to stay put.

Very reasonable and understandable sentiments from the OP, but the reality is it's not going to happen. There have been two serious attempts and other tentative enquiries but all have been resisted by the current seven Board members. Easy to understand their concerns and suspicions particularly when...
by Royboyclaret
Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brighton
Replies: 96
Views: 3632

Re: Brighton

Or just post information that everyone has access to :roll: Not aware of the source of the information of the table shown in Joey13's post but the comparison indicated of Brighton and Burnley is wholly inaccurate. They appear to have used data from the accounts of both Clubs to financial year ended...
by Royboyclaret
Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Name the Ground
Replies: 37
Views: 1849

Re: Name the Ground

Peel Park, Accy.
by Royboyclaret
Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is the Dyche/ Burnley
Replies: 187
Views: 6880

Re: Is the Dyche/ Burnley

If you think Burnley being in the premier league and being competitive there is mediocrity, then you need to recalibrate the scales that you are using. Realistically, where do you think a club like Burnley would normalise in the 91 clubs in the league, all being equal...... Top 6? 6th - 10th? 11th ...
by Royboyclaret
Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Boxing Day win for Burnley at Old Trafford
Replies: 5
Views: 284

Re: ARTICLE: Boxing Day win for Burnley at Old Trafford

"The win took Burnley back to third in the table, above rivals Blackburn Rovers (who played twice in two days against Blackpool) on goal average." Twice in two days! Puts the alleged fixture congestion into perspective Jimmy Mac often made reference to the difficult fixture list over Christmas. In ...