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by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:47 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

JohnMcGreal wrote:You know what's more serious than calling someone a racist? Being a racist.


Exactly
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:47 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

You are making less and less sense. How on earth have I answered the question that Johnson is a racist? I don't see how comments about Liverpool and Scotland make him racist. You mention Muslims and I can only think of the letter box thing. Is that it? Rowan Atkinson called this a good and funny jo...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: FAKE NEWS - EU edition
Replies: 60
Views: 1690

Re: FAKE NEWS - EU edition

Spot on, absolutely right, the same with the NHS claim, it made little difference to vote. The biggest single factor was immigration concerns, when asked how do we plan the infrastructure and future finances without border control we were not given any assurances. It makes me laugh when people thin...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Mala591 wrote:You are entitled to your opinion Lancs. So, what kind of 'fair' immigration system would YOU prefer?


One that realises that non-EU migration is bigger than EU migration.

One that doesn't penalise my kids if they want to work in other parts of Europe.

One that isn't blatantly racist.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Worst ever A & E figures

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/11 ... 4719395840

This kind of thing matters.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

I consider the Australian based points system as a strong but fair system. If you disagree then kindly put forward your preferred solution to this very important political issue. I don't think its remotely fair. You do know where the Australians take illegal immigrants to to avoid having to deal wi...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Fair enough Lancs. But it was the "driving home your point" comment that seemed weird. Not only have you not driven home your point, you still seem unable to answer the question! I think calling someone a racist is pretty serious. It's extremely serious if that person is our Prime Ministe...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Why would you upset me? I get vexed that intelligent people can ignore the evidence of their own eyes and ears but I can't do anything about it so I don't get angry. You are perfectly within your rights to think Johnston isn't a racist. I think he's shown he is. To be fair though, I worry more abou...
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Colne Road again.
Replies: 156
Views: 5736

Re: Colne Road again.

Claretmatt4 wrote:That's it! Punish everyone under 30 for a small minority!


Is this a Brexit thread now?
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: FAKE NEWS - EU edition
Replies: 60
Views: 1690

Re: FAKE NEWS - EU edition

Claretmatt4 wrote:How do they get away with it?

Seriously?


Because a substantial part of our population want to believe it, and a substantial chunk of our politicians need a convenient scapegoat.
by Lancasterclaret
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:00 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

How would the NHS increase its productivity, over and above it pursuing existing productivity initiatives, with the substantial workforce capacity and skills shortages that a 32 hour week would create in the NHS? Over the next 10 years and beyond the NHS will increasingly look to digital technology...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

android wrote:I think people can make mistakes. And times change - we can all think of a term to describe people of colour that was considered appropriate some years ago and is now not appropriate but a very old person might use it in innocence. Just one example.


Cheers for driving home my point even more.
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Do we really need to keep labelling people we do not know racist on, at best(worst), highly tenuous grounds? What purpose does it serve? Are you saying that if a person makes a racist comment then he/she is a racist. That's it. Game over. Tenuous grounds? There are plenty of politicians who are not...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Depends on your outlook. For remainers, it’s the end of the universe. But actually you could rejoin the EU in the future if that was the countries wish. For leavers, it’s the start hopefully of a brave new world, outside of the straight jacket of the EU. The future cannot be predicted, you take you...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

AndyClaret wrote:Farage to vote Tory ?

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status ... 7348311040


https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 4709268480

New record

He's changed his mind already!
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

This thread is comedy gold

"You see that racist over there? "

"Oh god no, we hate racists"

"But he backs Brexit?"

"Really? Well, I'm sure he's just been misquoted and its all virtue signalling at the end of the day eh?"
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9662

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

25 councillors and ex-councillors suspended from the Tory Party for anti-semitism......oh hang on, no, just the simpler crime of blatant racism.

Not seen anything in Andys tweets on that?

Strange that
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9662

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

He can't even keep a story straight for 48 hours.

Nigel Farage

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/ ... 29/photo/3
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9662

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

AndyClaret wrote:You believe him when he says things that suit your agenda.


And you believe absolutely anything and anybody who wants Brexit.

That isn't even remotely sensible as this election should be about more than Brexit.
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9662

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

AndyClaret wrote:His actual words since then, like the Marr interview a while ago.


Ah, so you are relying on what he says now?

That would be really silly if he had a track record of lying through his teeth........oh
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Every day the attempts to make Johnston look vaguely Prime ministerial fail spectacularly, and every day the ability of certain posters to ignore his complete unsuitability for the role increases by an equally spectacular amount.
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

I see Lab are as close as 6pts to the Tories from the “10-14” of a week ago in the polls notably “ survation” who were very accurate in 2017. Seems the Brexit party not standing on 300+ seats has actually boosted Lab about 2-1 vs Tories with a fair proportion of that vote either now not voting or g...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:18 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dwight McSteal
Replies: 66
Views: 3738

Re: Dwight McSteal

Look, this makes some of the claims on the various political threads seem sane.

Thats how out of whack this is.
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Absolute madness tonight. It turns out is isn't a formal pact but rather the LD candidate voluntarily stepping down to help the Lab incumbent who has a majority of 187 (one hundred and eighty seven) over the Tories, who fielded a hard-brexiteer in 2017. But then LD HQ confirmed that there will be a...
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Lowbankclaret wrote:Like Wow, that took some typing.

I do understand what your saying.

I also agree that could work on some people, but enough to sway an election. I am not sure.


Could work on some people?!?

It only works if the people who read and spread it want to believe it.

Hmmmmm
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9662

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

AndyClaret wrote:The left often tell us that it's pointless having a mind if you never change it, that is unless you are on the right, then they will find 5 year old quotes and nail you for it.


What evidence is there that he's changed his mind?
by Lancasterclaret
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?
Replies: 342
Views: 9662

Re: Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I'll give you 3 guesses,

big clue, the names in the title.


I'm just glad I live somewhere where the protest vote is Lib Dem to be perfectly honest!
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Can I ask cause I struggle with this. How does Russia sway voters. Have they changed your vote Lancs??? First point, its the influence for money that is the issue, which is why I suspect this report has been suppressed. Second point, Russian under Putin is trying to destabilize the two main allianc...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

dsr wrote:Either that, or it's a national poll.


Its in the 317 Tory seats.

Be interesting to see what that 4% do though
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Thank god for Andys daily poll

Pretty impressed that 4% of voters still haven't realised that they won't have a candidate to vote for.
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Damo wrote:Is that a no then?


This is your Ringo moment!

Enjoy it and savour it!
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Is there any evidence or not? It was a fairly simple question Its in the report, which the Conservative government didn't release, despite it being cleared by everyone for release about two months ago. Look Damo, you've always been sound on here, but alarm bells must be ringing about stuff like thi...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Is there any evidence that Russia are funding the tories, or are we just taking the aluminium foil milliner, Cryssys word for it? If it implicated Labour, the Conservatives would have released the report on Russian interference. if it implicated the Conservatives, or raised questions on the legitim...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

randomclaret2 wrote:So Russia is working to undermine a man who has campaigned against NATO and Britain's Nuclear Deterrant all his political life ?


Only one question to you reality deniers lads

Why did the Conservative Government not release the report if its clear that it shows Russia backs Corbyn?
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

I'm shocked

Shocked that people who have spread every single lie they have picked up over the past three years from the internet about the EU are saying its nothing to do with Russian influence.
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

I see we're still using the But it was only 'advisory' argument. Come on. Are we a parliamentary democracy or not? If this election is another hung parliament, then what will that tell you? (I'm still firmly of the belief that the referendum result needs to be honoured, but we've had three years of...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Because on Brexit there was a referendum, a referendum which received widespread support by all parties, including the Greens and Lib Dems (at least until the result was delivered). That's why it's different. But if this election doesn't give clarity, will you accept that two parliamentary election...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

AndyClaret wrote:Ringo is ex Labour, i'm in a trade union, neither of us are right wing.


This is a hot take.

No doubt about it.
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

AndyClaret wrote:not really.


Yeah sorry

Everyone except Ringo
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

AndyClaret wrote:There's only me offering "balance" from all the left wingers on here, lets face it, you won't be providing it will you.


Everyone is more to the left than you Andy.
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?
Replies: 28
Views: 1794

Re: 45 million HALLER and 25 million FORNALS ?

Rouwen Hennings is scoring for fun in the Bundesliga....tbh from what I have seen of the Bundesliga the quality is generally not of the level of the premier league beyond 4 or so teams. I think Wood’s record stands up to Haller’s now and this season will be a good gauge on who’s the better player b...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you rather ... ?
Replies: 46
Views: 1332

Re: Would you rather ... ?

17th and win it.

Relegation with a cup would at least give us memories, but both Birmingham and Wigan did that and its safe to say they are not going to be bothering the prem anytime soon.

Sad to say, just staying in the prem is worth more to us as a club than a cup.
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Don’t forget, dsr thinks that food producers in the US are going to produce food to our standards for export to us and their standards for their own internal market, so you his thinking on what trade deals entail has already proved ridiculous. I don't have a problem with his free trade mantra, but ...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

I'm the exact opposite. It's the leader alone that's making me wonder what to do. McDonnell, the Labour front bench, the PLP, the Labour membership, Momentum, The Guardian...they can all hang. But (sigh), I still think Corbyn genuinely wants to make stuff better for everyone, especially those curre...
by Lancasterclaret
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

The EU free market, in terms of population, is vastly smaller than the Indian and Chinese free markets; in terms of size of economy, it is smaller than the USA free market. So it isn't the most comprehensive free market in human history. The EU is a single political entity which has free trade with...
by Lancasterclaret
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

So a vote for the Brexit Party is basically a vote for the Tory Party, and a vote for a Tory Brexit, is a vote for a hard brexit. Anyone wanting a soft Brexit will have to turn to Labour. Come of it Andrew. Anyone wanted anything other than a "Hard Brexit" has to vote for whichever party ...
by Lancasterclaret
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Not as far as I can see, you don’t. You’re just as entrenched in you views as the posters you’ve mentioned. I think I'm fairer than that But I've realised as this whole **** show has gone on that a lot of people can't see past big bold pronouncements and those now trump (an apt phrase) reality. Wit...
by Lancasterclaret
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

I think there is every chance. If I was in charge of the EU, then no, because I'm a free trade advocate. So is Boris Johnson. The EU, I believe, is not. Yeah well, we could argue about that all day! Still, its basically a "No Deal" versus "Remain" election then. If only there wa...
by Lancasterclaret
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

dsr wrote:No I'm not.


Then does that mean you expect a "No Deal" in 2020?
by Lancasterclaret
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Election Is On
Replies: 2250
Views: 26041

Re: General Election Is On

Essentially people are realising that if its a Brexit hard enough for Nigel Farage, then its not going to be a soft Brexit.

That could have an impact on how people vote as well.

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