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My point was that politics isn't about simple problem solving: It's about making difficult judgment calls and having the skills needs to sell your vision to the public, implement it and explain what you're doing whilst retaining popularity, not taking your eye off the ball in case of other problems ...

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If you are all so intelligent, why don't you all start up a new political party and sort out the so called problems? Who's this aimed at? If intelligence was all you needed to run a political party then Michael Foot would have been elected. If politicals was a simple case of "sorting all the proble...

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This thread is as daft as the merchant of doom stories we had for two-and-a-half days after Brexit. Brexit in itself is neither good nor bad. It's what we make of it. We've left a bureaucratic disaster which is tied to the monstrous single currency of the Euro. We've also left a political club that ...

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If it be your will wrote:I think Rowls has won this, I'm afraid. He has achieved exactly what he set out to do - put an end to the discussion. I hope we all have things to take away and think about, ready for the real debate when it comes.

I managed to have a civilised debate with Dante.

But not Turtle.

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What it's like to try and debate with ImplodingCharlieTurtle:

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We'll have to wait and see if anyone is daft enough to implement it.

I only argue for what I believe in (except when I'm winding people up) but it's been entertaining to argue with somebody more sensible for a change Dante.

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I argue my opinions.

Turtle just argue in "facts".

All of what I post is my opinion.

Turtle speaks nothing but Truth and Fact. Everything Turtlebrains says is a Fact. It's all black and white to him.

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Did Gordon Brown get us into so much debt with tax credits? ... I was led to believe that the USA housing market crash and the banking system failures (greed) caused a domino effect on us and was the major contributor to the economic crisis. Debt. Financial crisis. Different things. Yes, Gordon Bro...

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I'm simply pointing out that the proposed figures are too high. By which I don't mean to imply that a lower figure would "work" - it wouldn't. Either the figure is too high to afford or so low as to not provide the sustenance it is supposed to provide. This is without taking into account social, so...

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I'm simply pointing out that the proposed figures are too high. If Gordon Brown managed to get us into so much debt with his tax credits, imagine how much worse it would be with a universal basic income? It would be many times more expensive. No country could ever afford to do this. It would push up...

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Of course, a couple living together would have £2000 per month to live on. That's even easier!

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I could go out once a week and holiday abroad once (or twice) a year easily on £1000.00 per month.

And I'd have all the time in the world to top up my "basic income" however I pleased - which I would.

It's a recipe for disaster.

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All this being said, I am no economics expert but I do concede that if all those service sector people are taking more in wages then ultimately prices will shoot up. What to do? Sod knows. The debate is good, keep it going. At least you're acknowledging what others are trying to wish away. ****** T...

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Dante.El.Chunk wrote:These service sector jobs you mentioned would have to pay more to entice people to do them, which is no bad thing.

They'd have to pay substantially more.

Which would cause wage inflation and .... *bingo*

Inflation!

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So if all these people would stop working just because their most basic needs are met, then why are any of them working part-time at all? This question lacks any kind of logical progression. Yes, I imagine millions of low paid workers would not bother doing their work at all if they got paid the sa...

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i doubt any serious person is advocating all people are paid equally. but you didn't answer my question, rowls. That's exactly what they are proposing and I can't remember your question. I tend to avoid engaging you (usually after a certain hour) on here yTib. I'm off to bed now. I'll have a look f...

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I may look at answers in the morning but I'm off to bed. Night all.

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Come on you clever economists who think this is a good idea. Suppose all adults get £1000.00 per month BI. What incentive do the millions and millions of cleaners, porters, waiting staff, bar staff, teaching assistants, dinner ladies, temps, office clerks, receptionists, telephonists, restaurant wor...

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I often wake up to find the world orientated that way too LawsCanalJump.

It's still an ambition of mine to find that it's a bar in New York though.

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If a BI was not funded by 'printing new money', it cannot cause runaway inflation*; if it was funded by 'printing money' - it would cost nothing. It is not possible for both the conditions you state to be met. You're claiming that inflation only happens when money is printed? BI would cause a massi...

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Buxtonclaret wrote:

Cross of St George?
Good footy omen?

By the way, Rowls.
Your parking ain't too good....

It's telling you how to vote in the EU ref.

And leave my parking out of it. :p

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London:

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I wasn't impressed when I saw him on loan.

That was getting on for six years ago though. If Dyche thinks he's worth a punt that's good enough for me.

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An extra £1000? How much more than the current JSA rate + Housing Benefit do you think a monthly UBI would be? And wasn't uncontrollable inflation one of the reasons a minimum wage couldn't work? Along with crippling job losses? How many times do people like you have to be wrong before some level o...

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And what happens to all the working class people who are only earning IRO £11,000 pa anyway? Do you think they'll continue with the hard manual work and labour when they get given the same amount for doing diddly squat? You'd have about 6 million people resigning en mass. Minimum. So not only would ...

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My rough calc is nominal GDP / capita CH = $81k. Nominal GDP / capita UK = $44k. (On a PPP basis CH $59k; UK $41k.) CH proposal c.$32k/annum = 40% of GDP. Equivalent UK = $17.6k = £11.8k / annum= £1000pcm. The relative costs of living narrow that apparent gap. Apologies for rough calculations. This...

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There's nothing to complain about and frankly I'm not happy about it.

There ought to be something meaty for us to feel aggrieved about each season.

As it is, we're reduced to started threads about random players who we might sign.

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Universal income should in theory mean that nobody is poor, and everyone can afford to live and do what they want. People will be free to dedicate their time to whatever they want, which they couldn't have done with a full time occupation. And toast will never burn and the sun will always shine and...

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@TomBenderson - the Conservative governments that took power in '78 and '79 (the federal one for only eight months), ended the experiment not out of lack of money, but lack of imagination. Just as the Tories here were against the establishment of the NHS back in '47 - they couldn't get their heads ...

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Spiral wrote:While we're on the subject of demagoguery, *cough cough* Ayn Rand *cough cough*.

Sorry for being so late replying. I've been worshipping at my local Temple to Ayn Rand....

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Marxism was a prediction of socio-economic evolution, you madman. You're so ideologically entrenched your arse is being cooked by the Earth's mantle. Doesn't stop the original theory being equated into rotten economics now, in the past or in the future - theoretically or actually. If you imagine th...

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We are not far short of affording a BI with our current welfare spend (see my post above). On your other point, I generally consider flat taxes to be abhorrent, but I would find them a lot more tolerable against a backdrop of a generous BI. It's a sacrifice I'd be willing to make (albeit through gr...

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Well, having looked at all the "facts" and worked it all out on paper I've come to a conclusion: This works perfectly. And because it works perfectly in a theoretical world on paper we should all start funding it with our own money immediately. I can't wait to start funding millionaires as much as w...

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Silly idea that will engender sloth.

Reacquaint yourself with the seven deadly sins everybody. They were chosen for a reason.

Abolition of VAT and a flat rate income tax would be a much better idea.

Right! I'm off out to get ******. See ya later.

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McDons were made to look like amateurs in the second half but I didn't think we actually played well at all in the first.

What a result though and another marvellous evening of football we were treated to.

I'll never forget the moment when Vokes turned into Lionel Messi for a minute.

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Despite only scoring the one goal I've gone for Preston.

We created 15 odd chances that night and really should have stuffed them. Brentford first half was the best 45 minutes by a long way but we only sustained it for half the game that night.

Isn't brilliant to have so many to choose from?

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Why isn't Claret&Jew picking up his phone?

I've been calling for the last 50 minutes now.

Beginning to think he's deliberately ignoring my number.

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I vote Duff be included!!!

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Don't do it Turtle.

What would I do?

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Unfortunately for you i'm more careful with my words than you give credit for, because i called the party extremist, not it's members. Oh that's so clever my brain just went pop and made a splatty mess inside my head. "It's not you I'm shouting at, it's the system." "It's not you I'm being abusive ...

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_Soclaretes_ wrote:Don't feed the Rovers fan/Troll. Post history = 4 posts, all bashing Burnley in some way.

Nailed it.

Dyche would never say anything like the thread title. It's the sort of negative stuff that Lambert would come out with. I've corrected the thread title.

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The chair

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One Day Like This

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Mia Farrow

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