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RingoMcCartney

We do love to stand alone as some little imperial superpower. The great thing about being part of the EU is that we were part of something bigger than ourselves where we had to behave and learn from others. Splendid isolation was fine when countries fought one another at the slightest whim, but now...

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NCClaret wrote:

Exactly. Remoaners know full well, if only they could bring themselves to admit it. That if Remain won, there would be no talk od a "SOFT Remain" or a "HARD Remain" That would be it for at least ANOTHER 40 odd years. Probably for ever.

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That doesn't sound anything like a Remain of any type, never mind soft. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Exactly!! Thats my point!! A Remain that sees, the ending of Free Movement of People, coming out of the Single Market, and the ending of the role of the ECJ in UK law. But we we're still "Remaining...

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Well to be fair Ringo, you've tailored your analysis of the problem so it 100% nails your view of the EU. I'm thinking that manufacturing was on its arse well before we joined the EU, and the country as a whole was struggling. I think you are completely ignoring the effect of globalisation and grow...

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You'd have to define what you mean by a "soft remain", but if as the term suggests, you mean remain in the EU but ditch the bits that we don't like, then I would think that all the remainers on this board would be genuinely ecstatic. It has to be acknowledged of course, that we already had a rather...

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Hi Ringo, I think you are wrong in some respects about Greece and Iceland. Iceland - their banking failures were privately owned Icelandic banks that used Iceland's sovereign credit rating to borrow money and then lend and invest in other countries. I guess you remember ISave, Kaupting (sp?) and on...

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Lancasterclaret wrote:So, our decline in manufacturing is because of a fiendish EU plan, backed by southerners to destroy the north?

Got it,

You clearly havent.

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I'd be intrigued for a second referendum just to see what the Remain party line would be. My vote would be for one of the following: 'We know we called you racist idiots, uneducated and little Englanders but any chance you want to join our side?' 'Yeah... about that punishment budget, economic melt...

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The new DB office is replacing 3 or 4 existing London offices from what I hear. They are also likely to shift jobs to Frankfurt. There are a lot of people who work in financial services and associated businesses who aren't super rich bankers (the vast majority in fact). It does contribute a signifi...

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You're starting to back slide into sneering Ringo again. It's a pity because some your recent posts have shown that you are quite capable of debating on a reasonable and rational level without resorting to sneering, insults and belittling people. As Quoon said earlier in this thread "fair play to R...

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keith1879 wrote:I'm content that the quantity, quality and general tone of your postings has established a baseline of reliability for them to be judged.

Glad you're content Keith. Pity you arent over the referendum result eh!?

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That wasn't my point and I think that is clear. If you'd read my post instead of jumping in and trying to belittle me. You'd have noticed that I actually said, "I have an hierarchy of things I stick up for and defend." Being concerned about about events occuring at a national level, I can simultane...

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Here is a considered explanation of why Greece and Iceland experienced such varying fortunes. It has a lot to do with membership of the Euro (a point against the Euro but not against the EU) and a lot to do with their starting positions when the crisis struck. http://voxeu.org/article/imf-programme...

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This is a cheap shot I know ......but isn't it a bit worrying that after the best part of 2000 postings on a thread on a matter of national import the O.P. admits that his country is the bottom of his list of priorities? Tis a cheap shot Keith. At the end of the day, Burnley doesnt exist in a vacuu...

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Ringo is a nutjob but the one thing he has staunchly done on this thread is defend places like Burnley whilst certain 'remain' posters on this thread have referred to the locals as 'scrubbers', etc. Might be worth looking through the thread, eh? I'll always try and stand up for fairness. I have an ...

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But that member is an independent and sovereign state that governs itself. You seem to have bought the lie that the EU is in control of all of it's members domestic affairs. Each EU member is perfectly free to blow it's own face off if it wishes to do so, as we are proving to the world on a daily b...

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claretandy wrote:Careful Ringo, you sound just like james O'Brien there

James Obrian - the cosseted, dweller of the Metropolitan London Borough of Ivory Towers. The champagne communist with staarff.

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Except they won't be getting any EU grants or anything like that. Hey uphisownhole. These "EU grants" of which you speak. Given that we're net contributors, to the tune of, for arguments sake, around £9 billion each and every year, to the EU. These "grants"couldnt possible be conceived as simply ou...

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We're leaving the biggest free trade bloc in the world and you think that'll help our trading propects? We're leaving the EU. We'd like the UK to have access to the single market. So would German manufactures. Its whether the EU feels that by agreeing to a deal that is MUTUALLY beneficial, rather t...

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Call it whatever you want if it makes you feel better, but the young are not comfortable with the idea of the old voting for the future. I wouldn't mind too much if it was based on "facts" (and I'm guessing the young wouldn't as well) but as its based on nothing apart from a vision that I've not go...

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AMS Neve are a very small company. It's a romantic notion that a tiny company such as AMS Neve is going to save the UK from Brexit, or even save Burnley. An internationally renowned leader in its sphere and its "romantic". Another fine example of economic self-loathing. BRING OUT YER DEAD.............

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Ringo wrote: While weve been in the Common Market/EEC/EU britains manufacturing base has shrunk as a percenatge of total GDP. Its pretty much halved as a % . And dont places like Burnley know it! And didnt places like Burnley vote Leave in their droves? And you blame being in the EU for this, do yo...

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Cannibalising 80% of the economy to jumpstart 20% doesn't make me too cheerful. Personally I know a fair few people working on impact assessments for financial services, people who've been told that the likelihood is their job will move abroad if Brexit negotiations don't go well and people who hav...

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Since the referendum but not since the actual Brexit, if that's your yardstick I can't wait to see what happens to the FTSE 100 on the day we leave, do you think it'll go up? I don't know why you come on here, do you have some massive need to prove yourself an illiterate moron to the entire town? I...

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Hi Erasmus, maybe you've got the answer for all of us: UK out of the "closer political union" and the Eurozone - and associated with what works for the UK. Maybe that's what the negotiations with the EU27 are all about and what "access to the single market and customs union" aka "free trade agreeme...

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More post brexit referendum good news. Order books for 20% of the economy are doing well whilst the other 80% suffers. While weve been in the Common Market/EEC/EU britains manufacturing base has shrunk as a percenatge of total GDP. Its pretty much halved as a % . And dont places like Burnley know i...

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cutsy123 wrote:Nice chilled xmas for tarky

So its Tarky on the Turkey!

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Yeah and Theresa May said we wouldn’t have a snap election, just before you called one. Just before I called one!? Genuinely dont know what you mean. Anyway, I agree with the great arch Brexiteer, Paddy Ashdown when he said on the night of the referendum. When he was convinced that his side had won...

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Well it’s the reason the first one was held. Although it was UKIP polling well rather than ‘leave’. And the one held on 23rd June 2016 was held on the understanding that there wouldnt be another. "“I am absolutely clear a referendum is a referendum, it’s a once in a generation, once in a lifetime o...

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People wanted a second referendum immediately after the first one, don't be surprised if someone has suggested having another after an opinion poll. Remain camp will keep suggesting there should be another until it happens and they get the result they want. Sometimes referred to as the neverendum, ...

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Has someone actually suggested a second referendum is held because of an opinion poll ? You better believe it!! General Election. 18 months down the line Government has put through unpopular legislation. Popularity dips as a consequnce. "Right thats it!! We're going to the country!!!" Scream the op...

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After being mugged for a penalty in both the Arsenal and then this. You can understand his frustration. No excusing at lashing out, its his mistake, but he'll learn from it. Sean Dyche will make sure of that.

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So what you're saying is that it's really insulting to retarded people to call you retarded? I couldn't agree more. Actually yes! I agree with you Imploding Turtles Head. The term "F***** retard" shouldnt be used as a derogatory remark. Thanks for your input my, "Zero In A Half Shell " friend! :lol...

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well done Ringo. great to see the apoplexy youv'e created in these remainers. so entertaining. youve' suffered obscene insults and abuse from them [and we are told its' us leavers who are uneducated]! you've been taught english grammar and shown where you went wrong by voting to leave the car-crash...

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Well it's obvious to everyone that I wasn't actually accusing you of hypocrisy for objecting to the use of the word retard and it's also plain to see that your hysterics are to deflect from the the hole(s) you've dug yourself into. You're about one hysterical bout of faux-indignation away from bein...

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Oh the arguments I've seen about not voting. Apparently the non-voters should've voted remain if they weren't sure about which side to go with :lol: There is an unhealthy habit adopted by many on the losing Remain side of thinking like this: "I, as enlightened Remainer, am much too intelligent to l...

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Ha! UTC's premier $hitposter arguing in favour of rational debate. What a tw@t! You can't even see your own hypocrisy. What am I talking about? Of course you can, but I suppose Russian troll farms aren't exactly renowned for their sincerity. So back on topic, Europe...communist superstate or neolib...

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Hi Paul, Simple Maths really. Find the total of people eligible to vote in the referendum and subtract it from the "official" population. So of that ineligible 18 million, just over 3 million are EU citizens [who vote in local elections, and EU elections and are eligible for Jury service, but not a...

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Spiral wrote:...And the pot said to the kettle, "you lost, get over it!"

Show me a single one of my posts that uses the term "f******** retard"

Just one, just a single one.

Not quite as gobby this afternoon are we!?

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Remain thought they'd win last time and that didn't work out well. Also, people still don't know the full implications of leaving the EU because not a lot has been negotiated or agreed upon yet. To be fair Sid, the full implications of Remaining in the EU are an unknown too. What is known is that "...

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Burnley F C, realistically need 40 points to, pretty much, guarantee another, financially fabulous, year in the Premier League.

Sean Dyche and his team have already given us 32 reasons to be cheerful.

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Still think we miss Trippier to some extent.

We've defo missed Robbie, but don't fret about his replacement.

The January transfer windows just round the corner.

We signed Brady in the last 'en!

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Just to add some stats to the above posts. In a one-off vote, a snap-shot of public opinion at one particular moment in time: Approx 17 million voted leave Approx 16 million remain Approx 13 million didn't vote and Approx 18 million were ineligible to vote for one reason or another So whilst it's t...

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the possessive form of the neuter pronoun “it” — his, her, its. A Good Rule of Thumb: If you can replace it with his or her, there's no apostrophe. Thick as two short planks but somehow convinced you're in the right, typical leave voter. As pointed out to you a million times, it doesn't matter if l...

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Good post, Claret-on-a-etc. Everyone knows that if the vote was repeated, Remain would win by a landslide. People didn't know what they were voting for or the full implications of leaving the EU. . "Everyone knows that if the vote was repeated, Remain would win by a landslide." Do they!? On what ba...

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By the way, you're a f.ucking retard. It'd be chivalrous of you to at the very least provide citation to the meme-esque blogpost-sourced quotes you're attempting to pass off as your own profound wisdom. People who, genuinely, suffer from the condition of retardation, do so through no fault of their...

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The majority of 'the people' didn't vote for Brexit. The majority of people who voted, voted for Brexit. There's a big difference. You jeer and gloat about winning something but that something hasn't happened yet and looks less and less likely by the day. Absolutely none of what you voted for will ...

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If 'the long waiting game' is 50 years, i.e. the rest of most voters lives, you're too bloody right that not everybody is prepared to play it. I'd actually question the sanity of anyone who is prepared to play that game. Just the half a century to wait for some sort of positive or benefit to materi...

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You are, of course, right. We're heading towards a deal that makes absolutely no sense to anyone - better to just remain. I still read your 'stupid' as 'dispossessed', though. But that's not to say a substantial minority of dispossessed leavers have behaved stupidly - all hate, triumphalism and glo...

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A lot of posters are posting re a possible EU "defence force" and comparing it with NATO. We all know that when the UK leaves the EU will have 27 member states. We all know that USA is the largest country that is a member of NATO. Did we know that 29 countries are members of NATO? Of course, there ...

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