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JohnMcGreal

Couldn't agree more. I know it won't change anyone's minds at the club but this very subject was discussed at last month's meeting of Burnley FC Supporters Groups and the chairman was tasked with taking the group's unease (for want of a better word) with it to the club's hierarchy. It won't achieve...

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Why do shirt sponsors exist? To bring in money. Did this one offer us a better deal than others? Probably. Is this therefore a problem in any way? No. I think everyone understands the economics behind it, but that doesn't mean to say people should be happy that our shirts are emblazoned with the lo...

JohnMcGreal

Well that's a shame.

JohnMcGreal

If you've been watching the series, the Chernobyl podcasts after each episode are well worth a listen. It's basically a discussion between the host and the creator and they go into detail of how they researched and made the show.

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Whichever party is in charge will make the choice i suppose to lower standards of goods in and have to deal with any fall out from businesses that could raise an objection to having higher standards for their exports. We can be as strong as we want to be in regards to negotiations, although admitte...

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We only had those seats painted five years ago. I bet Garlick is fuming. He was probably hoping to get ten years out of that coat.

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AndyClaret wrote:A time limit to the backstop?

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Nope.

JohnMcGreal

It was mentioned a lot. Just google "Referendum WTO rules" for the period February to June 2016, you'll see it was mentioned plenty. Here's a BBC article. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36401578" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; And what the 52% voted for was to l...

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He starts off with the entirely stupid statement that WTO terms are the worst possible trading terms in the world. This is nonsense. The question is, whether WTO terms are worse than paying £39bn + £10bn per year plus assorted political loss of independence. It's a question worth asking and it coul...

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I'm not suggesting austerity is good because it isnt, but sometimes it's necessary. To start chucking money around improve the NHS, renationalise the railways etc all sound wonderful, but they have to be paid for. The normal cycle begins, squeeze the rich. Until the rich have had enough and either ...

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A lot of posts on the last page only serve to highlight the flawed nature of referendums in a parliamentary democracy such as ours. A referendum can deliver a slight victory, one way or the other, but ultimately it's all about numbers in Parliament. If the marginal winner doesn't have the seats, the...

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Murger wrote:Well seeing as the first vote hasn't been enacted, why should people pay attention to the 2nd?

You haven't answered the question.

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Murger wrote:To completely revoke Article 50 would be as undemocratic as it gets, and would cause an absolute shitstorm.

How would it be undemocratic if people voted for it?

JohnMcGreal

Absolutely incredible that some people believe it would be appropriate to permanently revoke Article 50. If a party won a general election on that ticket, what would be the problem? They will have been given a mandate from the public to do that. It's how things ought to be done in a parliamentary d...

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And its too late for them now to claim they have always backed a 2nd ref, that field has been taken by the others. Glad I'm not a Labour voter or strategist this morning. Or even a Conservative voter or strategist. Whichever way they jump, they lose votes. Yep. 3 years of fence sitting has ended up...

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Who said they were? As I posted, all the data suggests that their supporters are between 66% and 75% remain. What I did post is that Labour have moved to being a pro-Confirmatory Vote Party, and after last night they'd be mad not to take heed of the Lib Dem / SNP / Plaid / Green / Change Uk vote. I...

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Whats the dire situation though. What is going to happen to us that allows the eu to hold us to the fire. I'm not being obtuse, but you obviously fear something. What is it? I still don't know. 1. A tumbling currency 2. Checks at the border, causing delays, turning the M20 into a lorry park in a ma...

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That last post is frustration. So please tell me, what dire situation, that is getting worse by the day, am I not seeing. I was replying to your post where you were championing a no deal scenario, and I'm referring to the days immediately after we've left the EU with no deal. That will be the dire ...

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There's no blame, the EU are entitled to hold their ground, we are entitled to say that's not good enough. It seems patently obvious that no compromise is going to happen until after we've left with No Deal. Bring it on. And a couple of weeks after that, with the dire situation getting worse by the...

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Soldier F (and probably a few more) should have been prosecuted at the time as there is now no real possibility of a guilty verdict. At least not a sound one anyway. People need to realise that there was violence on all sides in the troubles. In fact more catholics were killed than protestants over...

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longside72 wrote:Anyone in town to see the parade/demonstration ?

Serious question. What are people demonstrating exactly?

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Colburn_Claret wrote:If actions were taken for the good of the country we would have left the EU in March.

If actions were taken for the good of the country, we wouldn't be leaving the EU at all.

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Caballo wrote:I'm no May fan but that's a touch unfair, when you're handed a sh1t sandwich I'd imagine no amount of seasoning will make it taste nice.

The sh1it sandwich is Brexit, and it will continue to destroy politicians, prime ministers and governments until it's thrown in the bin.

JohnMcGreal

Good riddance to a dreadful politician and the worst prime minister in modern times.

I’d usually be happy about someone like her stepping down, but looking at the potential replacements, there’s a solid chance that the next one will be even worse.

God help us.

JohnMcGreal

This gentleman served is country in the parachute regiment for 22 years. Today, someone threw a milkshake at him and called him a facist. Well done to all of the people who encouraged this behaviour, on here or elsewhere My head is spinning. That picture is throwing up all sorts of questions. 1. Is...

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summitclaret wrote:If you believe in democracy you must vote brexit today.

Are you suggesting that voting for another party today means you don't believe in democracy?

JohnMcGreal

Just watched this interview with David Davies (not Davis), a Brexit supporting MP, being interrupted by a not so rational Brexit voter. You can see him thinking why the **** am I doing this as it goes on https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1130940872445579264" onclick="window.open(this.href);re...

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When Jo Cox was murdered. Pretty much everyone, except the absolute moon bat extremists, were saddened and full of condemnation about it. Similar to today's event I suppose Moon bat extremists like Nigel Farage, who complained that the murder of Jo Cox might cost his side votes? Moon bat extremists...

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Poor Stephen.

He's never been a fan of sheikhs.

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Positions of power(Govt): The Home Secretary is one if the highest political positions you can hold and thus is currently a Muslim by origin. So? What's wrong with that? Positions of power(Police): assistant Met Police Comissioner 1974 to 2007 Tarique Ghaffur Born I n Uganda and Muslim. So? What wa...

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For those who haven't seen George Monbiot's bit on Frankie Boyle's NWO last week, it's worth a watch:

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JohnMcGreal

Heaton 7
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 6
Taylor 9
Hendrick 6
Cork 8
Westwood 6
McNeil 8
Wood 8
Barnes 6

Solid performance against a poor who side who became more and more desperate as the game went on. A very professional job that will see us safe.

JohnMcGreal

The linesman got it right by flagging for a penalty. I thought it was a penalty all day long. If you look at Mee's position before the ball comes in, he's set all wrong. He misjudges the flight of the ball and knows he's about to make a complete hash of the header. He brings his arm up in anticipati...

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What we have all learned after this is that there are many different “layers” of the EU, some officially in, some officially out. The below sums it up nicely on Vox.com. What that diagram shows is that we already have the best arrangement as a full EU member with all the political and market benefi...

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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So them not understanding all the mucking about isn't helping their argument?
What argument is that, they want to leave...

I was about to reply to this but aggi has already covered it.

JohnMcGreal

Most people I've spoken to who told me that they voted leave were of the understanding that we would simply leave, then begin the process of negotiation. If we were able to come to some agreements before we left then that was a bonus head start, they cannot fathom why all the p1ssing about. What ha...

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CombatClaret wrote:[Inserts fingers in ears]

AND DID THOSE FEET IN ANCIENT TIME...

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A brutally honest piece by Brexiter Peter Oborne, who now thinks we should halt the Brexit process to have a very serious think about things: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return...

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Heaton 7 Lowton 8 Tarkowski 9 Mee 9 Taylor 9 Hendrick 8 Westwood 9 Cork 8 McNeil 9 Barnes 8 Wood 9 One of the best away performances I can remember under Dyche. It was brilliant to see us keep going even when we were in front. We played some terrific stuff and were absolutely relentless for 90 minut...

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I've been arguing the case that the longer it drags on, the greater the support for a No Deal Brexit would be. People are sick to the back teeth of Politicians screwing the job up. The only problem is the bastards in the HOC, are so isolated from public opinion that it isn't going to make a blind b...

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It may not capture the imagination of those with only a passing interest in politics, but this will be a major shift in the UK’s international standing in democratic self government. You don't need to have more than a passing interest in politics. A blind man on a galloping horse can see what an in...

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I think you underestimate the hatred that soldiers have for Mr Corbyn, Lancaster. I was quite shocked at how bad friends fell out on social media before the last general election. Most around here wanted the Torys out but soldiers from working class backgrounds spared nothing in abuse for the trait...

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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:On closer inspection, his picture hasn't actually been shot has it, just splatter I'd say?

Reading that twitter thread they use that loft for practising their protection of VIP duties.

Usual mockrage on there though.

'It was just splatter' is the new 'It was just banter'

JohnMcGreal

Bit of an eccentric viewpoint, I would have thought. Julie Cooper stood in Burnley on the promise that she would vote to implement Brexit. Are you saying that because a lot of her colleagues failed to win seats, then her promises to her electorate somehow cease to be promises? If you think that's b...

JohnMcGreal

The most interesting sentence in May's statement:

Crucially, the government stands ready to abide by the decision of the house.

Possibly a hint that the government is ready to act on whatever the Commons votes for in tomorrow's indicative votes.

JohnMcGreal

Yes the one and only time I have voted. And what I did vote won. Yet the despite that, as I predicted vote doesn't matter. Because if vote against what the establishment wants it either doesn't win or wont be allowed to win. I am not really arsed tbh. As it hasn't and wont affect me. And I only vot...

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Just a reminder to all the 'No Dealers' on here, that the backstop for Northern Ireland, the divorce settlement fee and citizens rights (the key issues in May's withdrawal agreement) are still going to have to be settled before any other talks begin, even in the event of us leaving without a deal. T...

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cricketfieldclarets wrote:I try not to. Just put it on by accident. Its laughable.

Did you vote in the referendum?

JohnMcGreal

I think it's reasonable to point to the track record on recent, related matters. Even if we've not "had enough of experts", it's certainly reasonable to consider just how expert they are before relying on their next pronouncements. It's funny, but the same people who are extremely suspicious of exp...

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Correct like most of the rest of the country i just want a decision to be reached one way or the other. Then we can all focus on other important issues which are being sidelined due to the brexit impasse. Yep, I can certainly agree with that. The last 3 years have been a criminal waste of time, res...

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