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- Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:55 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Esk takes his turn with the Everton accounts - which will be covered in two parts Part 1 is here Part I – Everton Football Club Company Limited Annual Report and Accounts 2022/23 https://theesk.org/2024/04/01/part-i-everton-football-club-company-limited-annual-report-and-accounts-2022-23/ https...
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1255836
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Ah yes, looks like the document was prepared in advance and never updated which is a bit sloppy. I'd be very, very surprised if that isn't a standard disclosure on the shareholdings. Which s what I was expecting when I first saw it - as for sloppy, like I said the document is really quite shocking ...
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1255836
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
I'm not sure where the errors in the document are but I'm not that familiar with the biographies of the directors. You've misunderstood Section 4. The line: The Company has been notified that the following shareholder(s) are interested in 3% or more of the issued share capital of the company: means...
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12290
Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
You go out for the day and something a little unexpected happens - I need to read what has been published first - though I note that these are the holding company's accounts not the club's trading accounts - so include impacts of other group companies Burnley FC Women and Longside Properties as well
- Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1255836
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
I got a mail about this last week. 122478 shares at 300 quid each is less than 37m, has the value of the club slumped that much? Are they trying to pick up shares on the cheap? It's not a very dynamic website, I expected to see more than just an advertising page. If you click through to this page -...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The media are starting to catch on that traditional fanbases are slowly being squeezed out of attending the game from The Times How super-rich Premier League clubs are ‘squeezing fans dry’ Seven Premier League clubs offer season tickets at more than £1,000 and 17 of the 20 have increased prices – wi...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
777 Partners appear still to be keeping their game face on, but the situation does not appear to be one that appears favourable to them from The Telegraph Prospective Everton owners 777 ‘confident’ in ability to fund takeover amid fresh doubts Premier League yet to sign off on the deal with club’s i...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Tottenham Hotspurs new stadium has ensured them a place in the game's financial elite )some of the revenue numbers are mind boggling - they make more profit (after costs) from non football events than our club makes in total match and non- match day revenues (before costs). In fact they make more mo...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The best report I have seen on Everton's 2022/23 financial results from The Athletic Everton’s financial plight laid bare as club reports £89.1m loss in latest accounts https://archive.ph/xZ1YA The Esk takes his turn with the Everton accounts - which will be covered in two parts Part 1 is here Part...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:31 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It never rains but it pours on the business side of Italian football - though both sides of this deal are American, of course Elliot had problems with their interest in Lille and their arguments with Gérard López, not to mention they were very noisy in offering finance to anybody who wanted to buy ...
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:22 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
the Athletic attempts to explain the summer accounting year deadline and it affect on the transfer market as PSR bites
What Premier League money rules and points deductions mean for the transfer market
https://archive.ph/sTe4T
What Premier League money rules and points deductions mean for the transfer market
https://archive.ph/sTe4T
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:57 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The best report I have seen on Everton's 2022/23 financial results
from The Athletic
Everton’s financial plight laid bare as club reports £89.1m loss in latest accounts
https://archive.ph/xZ1YA
from The Athletic
Everton’s financial plight laid bare as club reports £89.1m loss in latest accounts
https://archive.ph/xZ1YA
- Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:28 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Esk has discovered why one of the conditions presented by The Premier League exists - it did cross my mind as strange that MSP has to be paid off fully by mid April Moshiri is about to lose control of Everton – the question is to whom? https://theesk.org/2024/03/30/moshiri-is-about-to-lose-cont...
- Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton
- Replies: 62
- Views: 6764
Re: Everton
That article from the Liverpool Echo is frightening if you're an Everton fan. " There remains a material uncertainty about Everton's ability to operate as a going concern should the club be relegated". Are there still doubts about 777 Partners takeover of Moshiri's stake in the club, or is that goi...
- Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton
- Replies: 62
- Views: 6764
Re: Everton
Their losses have doubled. So if this current upcoming charge is to do with this can we then expect a bigger points deduction? Or is that too simplistic a view? there is nothing about how many of those losses do not count under PSR - there are stadium loan costs (interest) for instance that are not...
- Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton
- Replies: 62
- Views: 6764
Re: Everton
They are also winless in 12 games, Heard it all before. Leicester were going to be too good for Championship and would 'walk it' - they're now third. I'd also argue Leicester are in a more stable place than Everton, particularly off the field. Leicester are in a financial mess too, re PSR and are b...
- Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:40 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton
- Replies: 62
- Views: 6764
Re: Everton
i 'think' this current report doesn't affect this season (judging that by reading the comments on the Maguire thread) posted on the MMT earlier Everton release their 2022/23 accounts - the ones that they received their second PSR charge for (the hearing was heard last week and we may have the judge...
- Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:57 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Everton release their 2022/23 accounts - the ones that they received their second PSR charge for (the hearing was heard last week and we may have the judgement in the next few days https://resources.evertonfc.com/evertonfc/document/2024/03/31/d59075c4-85a5-4d84-adea-088920d1ce6f/Annual-Report-And-Ac...
- Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:12 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
this is a tale of what most - not all - aspirant multi-club organisations are looking to achieve, including ALK/VSL the owners of Burnley FC. Actually achieving it is a different matter altogether from The Independent How Brighton’s sister club turned into the ‘cheat code’ of European football Les U...
- Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:37 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Esk with a piece to follow up the detail of those conditions outlined in Josimar, he reminds us that hey actually formed part of the conditions 6 months ago as well, it is the hard deadline that is new - though it appears that Rights and Media Funding are not pushing for their money now as they...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:46 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
hmmm - are these the words of desperation or delusion? from The Guardian Farhad Moshiri assures Everton fans that 777 takeover is in “home straight” 777 Partners chief Josh Wander also remains upbeat over deal Both were replying to letters from Everton supporters’ group https://www.theguardian.com/f...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:38 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
talking of regurgitation, how about this from The Times it is like the La Liga/Relebant case to allow La Liga games in the US never happened, though there are still more hearings/legal arguments for that, the FIFA hurdle has so far proved effective though I am sure someone could come up with the mon...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Villa agree a new shirt sponsor deal for the next two seasons - the last allowing Vetting sponsors, I would think that £20m a year represents a significant uplift from their current deal, my guess is between 80% and 100% from The Telegraph Aston Villa agree £40m shirt sponsorship deal with Greek on...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This season the Premier League had two deadlines for presenting them with last season's accounts, December 31 for those who made an aggregate loss over the previous two seasons and March 1st for everyone else - Companies House has different requirements - 9 months following the year end and there ar...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:43 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Part Five of 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' asks the crucial question from The Athletic The men who want to buy football clubs: Why is the English game so vulnerable? https://archive.ph/eOnU9 there is a podcast that goes with this series Who would buy a football club in 2024? http...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Part Four of 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' The nobody who tried to buy Manchester United and Inter Milan Welcome to the fourth part of our series about the men who want to buy football clubs. Here, we look at Thomas Zilliacus and his attempts to buy Manchester United and Inter Mi...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The ‘wages’ part of this seems to be being brushed over. It’s one thing not being able to afford extraordinary costs such as the stadium, but not being able to pay players is another thing altogether You get the feeling that things are so tight that they are paying bills by priority and not running...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:36 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1450
Re: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
I've been involved in TV residuals over the years and it's a real minefield. Payments generally come out of profits and a lot of effort is made to keep those paper profits low. Wrexham probably receive some share (whether flat fee or percentage) as there is a fair bit of filming at the ground/with ...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:56 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I have said all along that Fan Advisory boards were a smoke and mirrors type exercise from The Times Premier League clubs under fire for using fan boards for own PR Sixteen months after Fan Advisory Boards became mandatory in wake of the failure of the European Super League, there are questions abou...
- Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:00 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1450
Re: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
Only if they decide to do the same. It is never as simple as that - expectations of players and agents also change, then there is the competitive fairness i it all - of course the National League does not have any form of FFP, but the spending that has gone on there for at least a decade has had si...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1450
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 839
- Views: 54738
Re: Season tickets next season
As is already known the rises in Season Ticket costs and the squeeze on concession prices is widespread Why Premier League clubs want to kill off season tickets - is yours at risk? As the Premier League modernises, a depth of feeling festers that those who have contributed to our country’s spectacle...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:12 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Part Two of 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' features a name familiar to this thread from The Athletic ‘Under every rock, we found a lie’: How the bid to be English football’s first black owner unravelled In the second of our series about the men who want to buy English football clu...
- Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:04 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Somehow I missed this when it happened last week - Ipswich town owners sell a 40% stake in the club for £105m - valuing the club at £262.5m - to an American Private Equity Group CLUB STATEMENT | BRIGHT PATH SPORTS PARTNERS https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/22/press-release-bright-path-sports/
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The Esk with a piece to follow up the detail of those conditions outlined in Josimar, he reminds us that hey actually formed part of the conditions 6 months ago as well, it is the hard deadline that is new - though it appears that Rights and Media Funding are not pushing for their money now as they...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 839
- Views: 54738
Re: Season tickets next season
It’s been a truly woeful season. The club could write the book on how to systematically take apart the good feeling and good will. Those price increases for kids and concessions are outrageous. There are a lot of unhappy customers. they have done a TV show about it instead - but will it ever be air...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The hope was that the Football Governance Bill would go through the process and be approved uickly, however we keep hearing of possible amendments that are likely to be popular with certain voters in an election year, which could actually delay the process. From The Telegraph MPs want to force Premi...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 839
- Views: 54738
Re: Season tickets next season
Just been reading this about Season Ticket price increases at Manchester City the changes we are seeing at Turf Moor are widespread in the game - that does not give reason to follow the herd though, our club's owners made a point of telling us that they would be different, their approach to running ...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
A new series of five articles (over five days) looking at 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' - first up fraudster Chris Kirchner, from The Athletic The $25m fraudster who came so close to buying an English football club In the first of our series about the men who want to buy English ...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 839
- Views: 54738
Re: Season tickets next season
They've called it 'Together We Are One' - that is, of course as long as you are not under-22 or over-65. Could just mean that they envisage a time when one price fits all it felt inevitable that the concessions were going to be hardest hit, it means the PR headlines can focus just on the Adult pric...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
- Replies: 142
- Views: 10230
Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
that is the FA - they still have that in their rule books, it is the only type of frivolous appeal penalty that I am aware of in English FootballSteve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:55 pmI’m sure we had a midfielder years ago who had his suspension increased after a ‘frivolous appeal’ against his red card!!
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:55 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
- Replies: 142
- Views: 10230
Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
I read somewhere that if appealed there was a chance the points deduction could be increased. No idea if that’s true, but I think it should be possible to prevent frivolous appeals. CP may know more on whether a points increase is a possibility at appeal. I am not aware of any penalty for a frivolo...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Earlier this week it transpired that Chelsea's new owners had reported the club themselves (again) for financial shenanigans under the Abramovich era - this time regarding the transfers of Willian and Samuel Eto'o (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67270626) and a number of payments out of Russi...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1361
Re: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
The Premier league is more corrupt than Blatter rules ignored or in Evertons case manipulated by smart barristers are you talking about the Premier League - the business, or the Premier League - the members organisation of 20 clubs, each operating at the whim of mostly billionaire owners who are no...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Season tickets next season
- Replies: 839
- Views: 54738
Re: Season tickets next season
she also pays her taxesrandomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:40 pmDenise Coates has earned in excess of £1 billion in the last 4 years alone ( that's Billion, not Million ) . Whatever percentage of that allows season ticket prices to be frozen year on year is a drop in the ocean
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1361
Re: so come May teams might be relegated then re-instated !!!
Latest on the fiasco : "So, we are still heading for a situation where we could have games on the final day of the season and we won't be sure what the bottom of the Premier League looks like because we won't have had the final decisions about these possible points deductions for Everton and Nottin...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:12 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Interesting piece on Leicester and why they are stalling the process on their charges around breaching financial rules - features significant input from the new guy on the football finance block - Stefan Borson, who I think offers much sounder assessments than Kieran Maguire - maybe because he actua...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:27 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
A new series of five articles (over five days) looking at 'The men who want to buy English football clubs' - first up fraudster Chris Kirchner, from The Athletic The $25m fraudster who came so close to buying an English football club In the first of our series about the men who want to buy English f...
- Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:55 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 9994
- Views: 1020805
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Sadly, this is not a surprise Three years on, Football Index users are still trying to get their money back Some customers had five- or six-figure sums trapped when it collapsed in 2021 and say the site was not regulated properly https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2024/mar/25/three-years-on-f...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: James Trafford England call up
- Replies: 194
- Views: 10287
Re: James Trafford England call up
I read this earlier this week, an argument that he may be going to the Euros this summer - for the experience
from The Athletic
Assessing England’s Euro 2024 goalkeepers: Pickford a certainty, but who else?
https://archive.ph/6zp6K
from The Athletic
Assessing England’s Euro 2024 goalkeepers: Pickford a certainty, but who else?
https://archive.ph/6zp6K