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ChorltonCharlie

The problem still remains Tony, that it's just assumed the authorities will let that happen. If you were the police chief of the force where Liverpool are expected to claim the first title for 30 years, what would you think about thousands of fans turning up in your city to watch a game they can't g...

ChorltonCharlie

The problem with these discussions on this and other threads is that people are making assumptions and speculating on what might happen before they give an opinion on what should happen. It just sends the discussion around in circles. Similar to what nil says, you'd think the majority of decent foot...

ChorltonCharlie

Listen out for an announcement later today saying Monday 11 May will be the day we return to work. A few people didn't believe me last time I stated this. ;) There'll be no announcement in the way you've put it. They probably will announce the lockdown is in place for another 3 weeks, and if they d...

ChorltonCharlie

I wonder what Andy Holt's view would be if Accrington were ten points clear at the top of league one? What difference would that matter? Are you suggesting that some clubs should go to the wall and thousands of people lose jobs just so that a few clubs in a sporting competition can be promoted? The...

ChorltonCharlie

Spijed, maybe instead of just firing back you should read the link I shared with you. They've already furloughed most staff including players. If they don't have income they can't pay people. It doesn't matter if it's 2 weeks away or 2 years ago, they can't pay players to play football if they don't...

ChorltonCharlie

How the World has changed. I recall putting money into the 'Golden Gate' at the turnstiles towards the purchase of David Reeves who was on loan from either Bolton / Chesterfield / Carlisle. It would have been 1987ish. The 'Golden Gate' was an individual turnstile and fans queued to put their hard e...

ChorltonCharlie

Also it looks like the PL are going to agree 30th June as an absolute end date for this season. Looks like the details of how it would be ended if not all fixtures are completed is not yet known. As a few of us have been saying, next season is a far bigger worry for most clubs than finishing this on...

ChorltonCharlie

The thing is that they have no choice do they? We are either going to play behind closed doors well into next season or not at all. What's more damaging to a club like Accrington - football matches without a crowd or no football at all? Sorry Spijed, but that's an absolutely stupid comment for the ...

ChorltonCharlie

As a thread that's intended to show respect, maybe it's not the best place to debate some of the stuff above. People are entitled to their opinions, and of course it goes without saying that this leaves them open to judgements being made by others. Not trying to be holier than thou, but this (virtua...

ChorltonCharlie

It is impossible to play the first few months of next season without playing games behind closed doors, so what do you suggest? Whether we cancel this season or not football with crowds in attendance is a pipe dream without any suitable treatment or vaccine. Exactly Spijed! That's my point, there's...

ChorltonCharlie

I agree with n_d that none of this is simple. A lot of views are very blinkered from PL/Burnley point of view and that continuing this season is vital because of finances. People are saying to allow this season to finish cancel the Euro’s, cancel the League Cup, cancel the FA Cup, cancel the Europea...

ChorltonCharlie

But if they void this season then it sets a precedent and that makes next season so much easier to cancel if we have another flare up next Feb/March. Then what? It starts to render sport worthless if you know there is a likelihood of events/seasons not being completed on a regular basis. Unfortunat...

ChorltonCharlie

Spijed, you just started that with IF. Again, no guarantees. But even IF they get their seasons up and running, why does our government have to do the same? For a start we'd be behind Italy and Spain. The comparison with Germany is pointless because they've not had the same infections and deaths as ...

ChorltonCharlie

Anyone who is happy to void the season obviously doesn't care about teams going to the wall. That's a fairly simplistic view on the situation. Voiding the season is now seen as a much better option for many lower league clubs. For the PL, there's a lot of unanswered questions about the future that ...

ChorltonCharlie

If that's guaranteed, then there isn't a problem, is there? No need to discuss a wage cut at all. Should be noted that there's also BT and foreign TV money and that's considerable. The reason why players are deferring wages rather than cutting them at PL level is because they still hope to complete...

ChorltonCharlie

If they were to be treated the same as other industries, they would be on furlough by now. Most of the industries that have lost all their income and have nothing for the staff to do, have furloughed their staff. Then the players would know what a pay cut is. Football (at PL level) hasn't lost all ...

ChorltonCharlie

Glad you enjoyed Re the English game post European Super League (and not allowing the big 6 to participate in both - which is their preferred option), for clubs like ours without the partial equalising strength of TV revenue we would struggle in a league where matchday income became so important (t...

ChorltonCharlie

This blog post was inspired by @AndyhHolts long thread this week and by John Nicholson's rage against the capitalisation of the game and subsequent manifesto - it is probably one of many, but one of the better ones. I post not because I necessarily agree but because it is a voice that should be hea...

ChorltonCharlie

Behind closed doors is a huge issue for clubs below the EPL. I suspect the only ones who'd push for that are ones who can get promoted to the EPL. Best case scenario for a team like Accy is to play games in front of crowds and get the income they need. I've been following Andy long enough to think h...

ChorltonCharlie

I looked at Bolton, Chester. Because of their ongoing finances looks like a lot were out of contract anyway. Ameobi looks like he may have cancelled his contract and moved on a free. I get that TVC, but it's cuts I'm specifically on about. At the moment deferral seems the option clubs are pursuing, ...

ChorltonCharlie

Not so sure about that. If a player is not willing to help out his club by taking a pay cut to help save the club then there is no way we should allow that player to leave for free if they are in contract. That would be madness....it would not even be allowed if you went into administration. If Bur...

ChorltonCharlie

It’s a tricky situation at the moment. There seems to be certain communities in tourist hotspots who think they can make their village off limits. This is wrong, and it’s much more important that people follow social distancing guidelines/laws than we start shutting places. I’m not sure exactly what...

ChorltonCharlie

I’ve always been on the players side, but reading the football agent gobbing off in the guardian made my skin itch. I hate agents. I think it's accepted that most of us don't like agents. In this case though, I don't think he's said anything wrong. It appears to be just the reality of the situation...

ChorltonCharlie

The club cannot cut players wages though. It’s a fixed contract the players have and the player would need to agree to the cut. Given that even if the club goes bust they are at the top of the creditors list under the football creditors crazy rule I can’t see the majority of players agreeing to thi...

ChorltonCharlie

Deferrals will be an obvious answer for some clubs in the next few months. If/when this and/or the following season is affected to the point that huge income streams are lost, then pay cuts will have to be considered. Clubs will then be faced with difficult decisions. Players are assets and once clu...

ChorltonCharlie

The thing is I think most people are following the rules. When we see people out and about they make up a very small minority. The roads are much quieter than usual. I'm pretty sure that the streets in residential areas will also be much quieter than they would be in school holidays. When I'm out an...

ChorltonCharlie

I’d forgotten we nearly got to Wembley that season! Played very well away at Grimsby and got a 1-1 draw, but got beat in the second leg 2-0 at home after a very lackluster performance. Grimsby got promoted that year, and more importantly for us 11 days after that 2-0 defeat we beat them 2-1 on the ...

ChorltonCharlie

Point I'm making is that this thread was started to refer to him being offside and needing to step up - nothing to do with his goalscoring. CT, quite clearly the OP is tongue in cheek with the step it up comment. They're referring to him being offside less than a guy who's a target for Liverpool.

ChorltonCharlie

Think you are right did he not score two hatricks alongside the 5 he got against Stockport? Yeah, 5 against Stockport and hat tricks against Blackpool and Peterboro. Also had a purple patch where he bagged 6 goals in 5 league games. So from 24 league goals, 17 were scored in those 8 appearances. Ev...

ChorltonCharlie

Barnes overall record for us was good. To the point I'm surprised how many he did get, especially under Heath. 30 goals in 65 league games isn't bad at all. Problem were goals were like buses for him. Wouldn't score for several games, then 5 in one go. Sure under Heath nearly half his 24 league goal...

ChorltonCharlie

Not sure what evidence you’ve seen that suggests it’s working? And even if it was there are still people out there flouting the rules which is putting people’s lives at risk, needs stoping. Unbelievable the amount of people out and about when we are in lockdown. Basically a big **** off to all thos...

ChorltonCharlie

It up to the board of directors to determine what is sustainable for our club, not you. Whilst they are currently not working, they are still expected to finish the season and as such will be working ‘overtime’ when this is over. Their very short holiday period will no doubt also be cut short as a ...

ChorltonCharlie

The case of footballers should be looked at without comparison with other industries and purely on the basis of asking the question of whether it is fair and reasonable to ask them to make a sacrifice without them becoming martyrs. Within the industry of course, but away from that the media, public...

ChorltonCharlie

Funny old season that. You tend to forget that in the lower leagues you need higher average points to stay up. We had some really good results in the second half of the season and beat 5 of the teams that finished in the top 6. Also hammered York 7-2 at home and there was that great day at Preston w...

ChorltonCharlie

Manorlands, the Sue Ryder Hospice just outside Keighley may have to close due to a lack of funds. Now wouldn't it be nice if some player maybe more, getting paid a good whack for sitting at home doing nothing donated their wage to such a good cause. What hardship would it cause them in the scheme o...

ChorltonCharlie

I'm happy to put my tin hat on. I do think the footballer thing comes from bitterness, spite and jealousy. It's media led with certain rags all too happy to single out footballers whenever the opportunity is there. I'm talking regular times here as much the current times. Footballers are talked abou...

ChorltonCharlie

They're being very wary about getting peoples hopes up too much, but the signs so far are good. I've heard there's also some evidence that a fair proportion of people may be naturally immune to the virus. There's no reason to think that by May we won't start to see some positive changes, but it's un...

ChorltonCharlie

Sometimes think people have forgotten about what the government are trying to achieve. The purpose of the lockdown isn't to eradicate Covid-19. They know that isn't achievable anytime soon, and keeping everyone locked up until it is would be far too long. The purpose is to slow the spread of the vir...

ChorltonCharlie

Because that’s what it is going to take. Look at China Italy Spain etc. We’ve not enough police to crack down on the retards who keep playing the rules. Lock us in, give us slots when we can go for shopping, only 1 adult allowed in a car etc, unfortunately that’s what is needed. But if it's working...

ChorltonCharlie

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:15 am
It’s time we were locked down properly.

Why? According to people in the government the lockdown is working and having the desired affect. I'd just rather there was zero tolerance on the people who are clearly not respecting the lockdown.

ChorltonCharlie

ceborame - I'm not really sure what your point is there. Spurs owner has the money to continue to pay everyone on the payroll. They don't need to furlough anyone. They also can continue to pay the players, then the players continue to pay tax and can make their own decisions on what they voluntarily...

ChorltonCharlie

ceborame wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:19 pm
He's obviously going to be capped at the £2500/month limit, so it is very possible to lose 50% maybe more

Which was my point. It sounds like the guy is comfortably earning over the average wage. Where do we draw the line as to when people should voluntarily take a pay cut?

ChorltonCharlie

I’m in a very secure job, but I’m expecting my employer will have to furlough me sometime soon, due to drop in orders & enquiries. My salary will drop by at least 50%. From this, I can assume that a massive proportion of our population will be facing hardship in the next few months. If our ‘profess...

ChorltonCharlie

I don't agree with the tone of the e-mail/letter. It's very emotive and critical of the club when they haven't done anything wrong. Your suggestions are reasonable and it would be great if the club did some of what you suggest. Problem is it will get the readers back up before they get to that point...

ChorltonCharlie

Anything is possible Spijed. Like I said though it all comes down to how many calories your burning and what you're eating. Some people will be really benefiting, but others won't.

ChorltonCharlie

The simple rule for weight is eating more calories than you burn will see you lose weight, and vice versa. The problem with this lockdown is that most of us will be doing less 'natural' exercise than we would do at work walking around an office, factory, etc as well as getting to and from work. So d...

ChorltonCharlie

When it comes to people demanding wage cuts for footballers that are either voluntary or forced, I have to question their intelligence or motives. First of all there's the furloughing of staff. The whole point of this with the government 80% subsidy is to help businesses who would go to the wall wit...

ChorltonCharlie

I'd thought of Treacy as well, but he was also part of a promotion winning squad.

ChorltonCharlie

I think you have to look at the bigger picture with these kinds of things. Not every signing can play, so therefore by definition some have to be seen as bad signings. I'd rather though see a bad signing as someone who had plenty of opportunity and didn't perform and were part of an under-achieving ...

ChorltonCharlie

The problem I have is the question marks to some of the options. Completing the season in normal conditions is the desirable solution, but the when it's safe to do so is the problem. If that's October, then obviously it becomes a non-starter. Completing behind closed doors when it's safe to do so ma...

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