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Most referees are football fans and have likely played football but probably not at any significant level. How many fans on here have not played football yet sit in judgement of players and referees? More to the point, how many people on here have actually had a go at refereeing? Try it. Watch a ga...

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But the referees (through the instructions they have been given) reward that cheating. If cheating was punished rather than rewarded it would be a much more risky option and far fewer players would do it. There's pretty much no downside to exaggerating or initiating contact so why not do it? Exactl...

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You're right, the correct but less amusing example would be air traffic control, where highly trained and experienced professionals make split-second decisions in a high data environment but importantly, are not and have never been pilots. The idea that referees cannot officiate because they have n...

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CombatClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:58 am
"Has that surgeon ever been in a car crash? No?! Well I don't want them operating on me if they haven't had a car crash to a meaningful standard, how can they understand, it let alone operate at the top level?"

That makes zero sense but nice try.

You don't operate on a car crash.

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Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:15 pm
I literally can’t believe what I am reading

Arguably our best player

Nowhere near our best player. Wasn't even last season.

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The trouble with this is its identifying a trend which makes the refs job harder whilst blaming them for it- it is the players' fault - and setting them a "no mistakes " threshold, whilst simultaneously forgiving our players mistakes of effort or intent, rather than mere decision making. It is a do...

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Our players are absolutely not to blame here. Could they have done better? Yes, probably but they're human beings and made honest mistakes so it's excusable. What is inexcusable and indefensible is cheating, and then not identifying and dealing with such blatant cheating. It needs calling out at eve...

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claretspice wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:43 am
Should VAR have intervened to allow that goal?

Yes. We want the right decision, even if its against us. That has to be the aim and if we're going to persist with var that has to be the approach.

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I don't think then penalty is a pen - it is extremely soft - but it's not a clear and obvious error once given. Sorry spice, its 100% the epitome of a clear and obvious error. You can slightly excuse Attwell for giving it in real time (but not much given his positioning) but anyone who has ever pla...

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Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:24 am
He’s clearly a good manager.

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Well my point is that there’s zero evidence base he would’ve made a difference. To be honest I’m not even sure if he were banging them in in the Bundesliga it’d provide an evidence base (Weghorst has a good record in the Bundesliga), but the fact he’s not being picked in that league (a worse league...

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Correct but the Bundesliga isn’t higher quality than tge Prem, which is my point. We have no evidence base to suggest he’d be making a big difference for us this season. That he isn't getting many minutes for the team at the top of that league doesn't make your point though. If he was playing regul...

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Thought as much.

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NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:04 pm
This is the same Tella that hasn’t broken in to a Bundesliga side (much lower quality than the Prem)

He hasn't fully broken into the team top of the Bundesliga, level on points with Bayern Munich.

I think we can be confident that Bayer Leverkusen are a bit higher quality than Burnley.

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I didn't see it at the time but when he went back to book Berge for the first one, did he also book the Villa player for clattering Gudmundsson, which was a worse challenge than Berge's?

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Not surprised he's only 41. He was the original fast tracked ref wasn't he? You can't make it to the PL as a ref in your 30s and have had any meaningful experience of playing football. That's why these guys are all so poor.

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We've played pretty we today against a decent team and for significant amounts of time we were the better side. Given away two soft goals, and been done over by the officials again with two of the worst decisions you'll ever see. Shame as we did so well to get ourselves level and didn't deserve to l...

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A disgrace to an already disgraced profession, along with whoever his minder was on var.

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A new low today, that was completely indefensible. Corruption? Ineptitude? Both? The standard of refereeing has never been worse and var has only compounded the problem. PGMOL can't sort it out because they are part of the problem. It needs a complete overhaul and Howard Webb isn't the man to do it ...

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First time I've seen a competition where you'd be best off aiming for the no prize slot.

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1st half we started brightly then they scored and we lost it for pretty much the rest of the half, inviting unnecessary pressure exactly where we shouldn't be. 2nd half started well enough, then they scored but the rightly disallowed goal really galvanised everyone and we played really well after th...

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Have a day off lads.

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I don't think the total number of referees in this country has a bearing on how good the top referees are. According to a Guardian article, in 2021 there were 24,500 referees in the England, 40 of them elite. Of course it does. Less refs means less competition, lower standards and unworthy promotio...

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daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:55 pm
Our team today had what, two players in common with our team last season. We didn't play a back 5 or a front 4 capable of doing what we did last season. We don't have those players anymore.

Exactly this.

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dougcollins wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:06 pm
I thought that was the best thing he did.

Tells you how bad he was.

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Thought we had a good one when picked out two blatant dices from Everton early on but it soon proved the opposite; a largely rancid performance. One booking all game for arguing is pure lol and he's another with no idea of how to play advantage. Just having the ball isn't necessarily an advantage an...

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We played some good football at times and were unlucky with a couple of chances but Dyche did the job he does on teams like us and once we'd gifted them 2 there wasn't really any coming back. Trafford 5 no point in doing the remarkable if you can't do the basics. The first goal is a tall player winn...

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Both culpable. It's a poor choice of pass, especially when O'Shea can see the full picture better than Berge can, which gives him little option but to come back towards O'Shea. Second touch is abysmal but it's O'Shea who has put him in that position. Thing to remember is that they are being told to ...

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Weak as they come. The first McBurnie booking was bizarre; its either violent conduct and a red card or nothing. As it was he was giving nothing for about a minute until someone obviously whispered in his ear and he had to fudge it. Clearly hadn't seen it himself. The seven is a straight red as well...

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If you've been paying attention the last few games then this has been coming. Yes, Sheffield Utd are a pub side at this level and they've got one of the thickest players around in McBurnie but you still have to beat them and from 15 seconds in it wasn't really in doubt that we would. A solid base at...

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It's too close to give a pen although for that but, once again, refs are looking at slow motion replays and looking for specific things- arm in unnatural position, made the body bigger etc - so you can see why he's given it from some angles. Doesn't matter it came off his chest btw, that's not in th...

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And the irony of your best seasons in the Championship is they all lead back to the Prem. So I guess you have to work out what you want. I guess we could be a PNE, treading water down there if you prefer. Not sure what your point is here as that's nothing we don't already know. There were plenty of...

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The slight issue with your view is that it renders any success in the Championship rather pointless too. Surely Brighton and Brentford are good models for us. Able to have enjoyable seasons and stick it to the big boys whilst thriving with talented players spotted through clever scouting. And sure,...

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KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:05 am
Why do people keep saying £100m? It’s probably nowhere near that figure.

It isn't. People like hyperbole though, makes everything seem more extreme than it is.

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He only gave the second because he knew he should have given the first. When you look at the United pen yesterday which was near identical, it shows what a bad decision our first one was.

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Sad news. Euro 96 was tremendous. A proper football man.

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Yet by a number of the comments a lot of people obviously don’t know that’s our tactic. I thought we were pretty seamless at playing out from Trafford yesterday - certainly the most effective and error-free we’ve been so far this season. In fact, had the game ended in the 86th minute I’m sure we’d ...

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Isn’t that just the Premier League though? I think I stopped enjoying being in it the season we were in Europe. I was willing to buy the idea that our dominance last season might make this one more than just the typical newly promoted side’s relegation scrap, but that was extinguished pretty quickl...

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You'd have to have not watched us for 18 months to not know that's our tactic. There were plenty of times where it worked brilliantly yesterday but there were times when he was put under pressure, not by the crowd but by taking too long so that most of the outfall were cut off. As with Muric last se...

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Another name to add to the pile of woefully out of their depth, zero understanding of the game referees you get at this level. This guy had the the standard inability to know how to play advantage and not giving the first penalty shout, especially given where he's stood, is just rank bad.

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A tough one to take as this was probably as well as we've played this season, with some very good performances through the team. Naivety from players but mainly from the manager has cost us, with too many subs and the wrong ones to boot. Trafford - 5 S. L. O. W. Didn't have much to do with his hands...

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Impressive straw clutching from the solicitor. Mind you, I read an article by the esk in the guardian earlier proclaiming that the non-punishment Everton have received for cheating is somehow harsh on them.

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An absolute non-punishment. If clubs cheat, relegate them. Dead simple. Expect City to be awarded some points if their day of reckoning ever comes, that's how toothless the people in charge are.

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Looks like they'll be bottom for a week.

Lol etc

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He's a good man. And thorough.

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Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:38 am
It’s a barometer of his value as an asset.

Very relevant.

Nope. It's a barometer of how each of those managers did at different clubs in different circumstances, and has no relevance whatsoever to how valuable an asset Kompany is to Burnley.

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Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:39 pm
How isn’t that relevant?

Performing at this level dictates the value of the asset. It’s literally the most relevant way.

Stats of other managers at different clubs have zero to do with it. Might as well rate their omelette as well while you're at it.

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Just to make a point I will list a few of the recent managers that have better points per game return than VK in the prem: Gerrard - 1.18 Lampard - 1.00 Dean smith - 1.18 Hassenhutel - 1.28 Marsch - 1.16 Nathan Jones - 1.07 Gary Neville (not premier league but he’s regularly mocked for his manageme...

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