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No, the OP's point is that those economists who told us that a vote to leave the EU would spell instant disaster to the economy, were utterly and indisputably wrong. They may change their view to tell us that the vote will mean long-term disaster to the UK economy, or they may come round to thinking...

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If we don't get Grosicki, what's Andrew Driver doing now?

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It's a long way to Asia. Istanbul is the nearest point, and I doubt we'd get many from there on a regular basis.

Let's concentrate on British supporters, shall we? Whatever their ancestry.

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Plenty of videos of the second one. Not the first, because no-one was looking, and there's no reason for any CCTV camera to be pointing half way up a skyscraper.

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Claretmatt4 wrote:The Browns have been absolutely terrible for as long as I've been watching the sport. Much worse than the Lions.

True enough, but no-one expects anything of the Browns. The Lions ought to be good, but aren't. Tampa Bay have won the NFC North (Central) since the last time the Lions won it.

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Every club in the NFL has a chance of getting good, because of the draft. Just don't tell that to the Bills. Or the Lions. If there was a "Darwin Award" for how to screw things up in a new and origianl way, the Lions would get it more often than not. They are at least in the playoffs this year - bu...

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The problem is, corporal, that it's impossible to disprove your assertions. I linked you to a site (post 250) with pictures of plane wreckage in the Pentagon. You presumably say it's not plane wreckage, or it's not the Pentagon, or both. Like Doubting Thomas, unless you see the plane actually at the...

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IDespite being the most secure building in the world, there is no footage of any plane hitting the Pentagon and there is no footage of any plane wreckage after impact. Neither is there any footage of plane wreckage at the supposed crash site of the fourth plane in Pennsilvania. We have all seen foo...

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No I wouldn't expect the core to remain upright, so where did it go? (Before it was illegally removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas, that is). But it's stretching things a bit to suggest that the core (or parts of it) all fell neatly into the footprint. Is this the same steel that earli...

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Go Pack Go! But I can't see our defence holding up. Might beat the Giants because their offence is nothing special, but holding off Dallas or Atlanta? I have my doubts.

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A. But the steel did melt! There were orange rivers of it flowing out of the second tower. What melted it? B. The floors didn't collapse on top of each other - the building collapsed at freefall speed. C. Also, if it did fall straight down, why wasn't the central core left standing like a tree trun...

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You're correct that he isn't a proven Premier League striker. If he was 25, lightening fast, and a goalscoring record like Harry Kane, he'd be worth the same as Harry Kane. But just because he isn't doesn't mean that he's worth barely more than he was worth two years ago.

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The thing is though, dsr (overlooking the patronising stuff :D , that the floors were independently connected from the central core to the outer 'frame' by 'hat trusses'. One floor collapsing might have an effect on lower floors, but not the ones above. And the 'pancake' theory of floors collapsing...

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18 months ago Gray was worth between £6.5m and $9.5m, depending on whether we stop up this year. If now he's worth £10m, bearing in mind the market has continued increasing like crazy, then it must mean he's gone backwards in his play and is less of a player than he was then. 25 goals in the Champio...

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Of course horseshoes can be made, but it's the temperatures that are the key. A modern blacksmith's forge uses 'blacksmith's coal' (bitumen and anthracite) that can heat the horseshoe to about 2000F, easily enough to bend it. So are you now contending that horseshoes are a modern invention, only ca...

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Would it though? If one floor gave way, the area under the most heat pressure, it would bend, buckle and break under the immense weight, but would that necessarily make the entire building suddenly and completely collapse on itself, every floor falling on top of the next in perfect sequence? If tha...

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The point, though, is that fire from burning kerosene doesn't melt steel into a liquid. But even if by some amazing set of circumstances the steel had melted, the buildings would have toppled over like trees being felled, not collapse at freefall speed into their own footprints as they would in a c...

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What do you think? Because the BBC did announce its collapse beforehand! ...comprende Yes, and that's because the chief fireman on the scene told them it was going to. It had been damaged by debris and had a big hole in the side, among other things. NOT because the world's press was in ont he "cons...

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""Why did the news agencies (BBC) report that WTC 7 collapsed almost 1/2 hour before it did, even though it was not hit by a plane, only had a few floors on fire, and gave no indication that it was in any serious danger?" Well, I doubt it was because George Bush held a press conference announcing th...

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The problem with conspiracy theories (aside from ignoring all the evidence & science and stuff) is that they rely on nobody breaking cover. So let's imagine, just for a second, how many people would have had to be in on a conspiracy to crash two planes into the World Trade Centre, demolishing the t...

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bob-the-scutter wrote:When you have a 3rd skyscraper (WT7) without even a broken window, collapsing perfectly into it`s own footprint you have to start thinking!

So why don't you?

If the US government wanted to make it look like two towers were destroyed by two planes, why did they destroy three towers?

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They've missed the boat. They could have had Jutkiewicz for that!

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This whole idea that it wasn't a plane is just so stupid. Why have conspiracy theorists got such a total absence of common sense? Here's the scenario, as the conspiracy theorists have it. The US Government wants to make it look like plane XYZ has flown into the Pentagon. They have two options for ho...

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The Pentagon wasn't a skyscraper. Therefore it didn't suffer the damage caused by 100 floors of concrete falling straight down.

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Within reason, geopancake. When you start questioning whether you saw a plane flying into the Twin Towers, then it's not so much open-mindedness as severe memory loss. Would I be considered open-minded if I posted about why we failed to beat Sunderland last week and who was responsible?

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How did they fly at 500 mph at sea level, according to pilots its impossible. Why did many witnesses report that the planes flew in silen? Wouldn'they make a defeaning racket? The 90th floor of the Twin Towers wasn't at sea level. It was at least 90 floors above sea level. Try it sometime - go to t...

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A Sheffield United fan died of a heart attack at the replay. Nothing to do with crushing, though.

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I'm not in the CFS, but would still be gutted if the home fans were removed. That said they will only be removed if other home fans complain. I would suggest if you don't like the crowd surges you move to another area of the ground. Each to their own, surges on the Longside were part and parcel of ...

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I'm sure the players could have refused if they wanted to. They'd be under public pressure not to, but they could have made a stand if they had disapproved on principle. The Welsh and Northern Irish didn't have poppies on the shirts, anyway. They were charged because they had a poppy ceremony and mi...

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That's not strictly true, he did reasonably well at Bolton for a while but he never was a master tactician or versed in the modern methods, however he could make players believe in themselves and their abilities. Certainly works for Blackburn. He's made everyone at the club, especially the players,...

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I have expences that are required in order to allow me to make money too. I have to have somewhere to live for a start so that i can provide my labour. I have to have electricity to be able to wake up in time for my job. I have to have to feed myself so that i have the energy to give my effort to m...

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ablueclaret wrote:... whilst sidelining players of much higher quality who have the potential to pose problems to the opposition but sadly pose an even bigger one to SD.

David Edgar has GONE. Get over it.

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"Fifa disciplinary committee chairman Claudio Sulser said he "fully respected" the commemorations but stressed the rules "need to be applied to all member associations". "The display, among others, of any political or religious symbol is strictly prohibited," he added. "In the stadium and on the pit...

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I think it's just a matter of how we define words, turtle. And yours, as I said before, are very much like Humpty Dumpty - they mean whatever you want them to mean. Britain's constitution is almost universally described as unwritten because it's certainly not written down in a single document, and b...

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Read this slowly and repeatedly until you understand it. Our constitution is called an "unwritten constitution" informally because it is not written down in a single document. It is instead written down across thousands of pieces of legislation. Therfore we do literally have a written constitution,...

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I've repeatedly said that we have a written constitution but that it's not written down all in one single document and that's why some people call it "unwritten", despite literally all of it being written. I've even provided the same opinion being shared from a ******* High Court judge to back this...

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Lets say parliament did decide to debate her prerogative, what do you think would be stopping her from just triggering A50 before parliament votes on her right to trigger it? The courts perhaps? :lol: The attempt by the government and Leave voters to deminish the sovereignty of parliament and remov...

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No one is saying they've prevented parliament debating it. What we're saying is the Executive has tried to claim the power that what Parliament debates/decides is irrelevent. She's claiming that she can do a specific thing without Parliament's approval, the judiciary is saying that is not true. Tha...

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Even the govt QC said there was nothing wrong with bringing the case to the court. Why can't you see that its a procedural case that clarifies the route to Brexit? It's not just my opinion. How many MPs brought this case? They didn't have a problem with the procedure - as far as MPs were concerned,...

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By what means have the Executive prevented Parliament from debating this matter?

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The case is about ensuring Parliament has a say in what the Prime Minster does, which is pretty much the opposite of what you this this case is about since the government is arguing that Parliament should not get a say in the matter. No it isn't. This case is about ensuring thatr the courts have a ...

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Imploding Turtle wrote:By that logic Brexit isn't news until it happens. Britain looking into it's options therefore isn't news.

That's not logic, Turtle.

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Lots out there saying something completely different, and pretending that the EU and UK law divide is as simple as that is very disingenuous. The way certain govt ministers, certain newspapers and lots of people (well meaning I'm sure but no idea how this can play out) are attacking the judiciary i...

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Not been keeping up with current news then Clarets4me then? Independance of the judiciary trashed, opposition laughed at when they mention that stuff is getting a bit worrying? But its ok, blue passports! Taking back control from the bureaucrats! More investment in the NHS! More tax cuts! Nothing t...

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Take the blinkers off for a moment, would you? No bank is moving yet, that's why nobody is reporting that a bank is moving yet. If (still a big if) we lose the ability to freely move capital around the EU a lot of banks will give it serious consideration. Will they stay or go? Who knows, but it's a...

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This is true and its not normally something that I'd bring up, but DSR statement is taking it to the extremes. You don't relocate from the worlds banking capital for anything other than seismic changes, and that change is Brexit. Like IT says, the tax revenues are going to take a hell of a hit, whi...

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Of course they consider it, but they don't do this everyday There is a big political change coming, so the banks are looking into the options. You think that's big news? Banks looking into options isn't news any more than the sun coming up tomorrow will be news. It'll only be news if they decide to...

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I remember when warning that this was going to happen was dismissed as scaremongering. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; No, it wasn't dismissed as scaremongering. Actually, although this may come as a surprise to you, banks have always consi...

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Quite a telling comment from Anna Soubry in the commons earlier: Ms Soubry says that she, and other Remain supporters, have felt sidelined, ignored, and abused - "and we are sick and tired of it". "We are entitled to our opinion, we are entitled to be heard, and entitled to express our opinion," sh...

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That's the point isn't it? Once we leave we can never go back on any deals we make, even if it leaves us in a worse state than before. If we manage to make a deal with the USA, for example, (because I doubt Obama's threat to put us at the back of the queue has any meaning) and we later don't like i...

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