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I mean if we're going to just pick random clips can I introduce you to some of Michael Owen's fine thoughts on football. or Kevin Keegan.... - "Argentina won’t be at Euro 2000 because they’re from South America.” -“Not many teams will come to Arsenal and get anything, home or away.” – “I came to Na...

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i personally dont think we would be where we are now if it wasnt for Steve. thought he did a great job of stabilizing us at a difficult time You can say that about of our managers for the last 30 years. I think there is a fair case for saying Mullen, Ternent, Cotterill, Coyle, Howe and Dyche have a...

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First season great, second season acceptable (despite the football and the league position) but after that it was pretty dire. Post ITV Digital collapse he was the right person at the right time to steer us through some troubled waters but thank god we got rid when we did and replaced him with someo...

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Very good in bits today and has a big future ahead at Burnley. This season is a little to soon but I think there is a reason we might see someone like Benson move on whilst in the nest 2 or 3 years we see Zaroury grow into a top Burnley player. Have some patience and let VK grow him and use him at t...

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I completely agree! We're of course playing at a higher level - my entire point is that if this is our play style there's gonna be hairy moments but just ride with it? It's at least entertaining... IMO we'd have more points on the board playing more like this than the way we did early season anyway...

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It’s not DA - I really thought his inclusion was apparent and why we managed to be much better at playing through a press - it seemed to be that the defence was much further spread out in possession and just looking at Sofascore it backs it up. I think it’s all points why we looked a bit more like ...

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Put it this way if Trafford throws that ball out to Amdouni and is grounded by the return strike he would be absolutly crucified on here by some of the posters sticking up for Muric. (again this is from one of Murics biggest fans)

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Is this thread a joke. I absolutely adored Muric last season and used to argue regularly why at the England level having a keeper who could use his feet was more important than what Pope offered (Pope was everything we needed in the Dyche years and I honestly wouldn't have swapped him for another ke...

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Spurs 2 Burnley 1 - Zaroury 24 mins

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Im not fussed either way bout the Burnley font but I have to agree with CT that if we are going to change our badge like we did in 2010 we need to do it the proper way and officially change it and register that change.

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We are very lucky that by chance our species have developed at a certain time in space that we can actually see traces of the outer galaxy's and the remnants of whatever the big bang was. Because the universe is expanding given enough time we will not be able to see or detect any light outside the M...

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Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:53 pm
Chart Source ?
What do the numbers represent ?
Type of crime ? Stealing loaves of bread or stabbings ?

Govt national statistics data and the data is on violent crime

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Per capita crime rate is consistently higher in London than the UK Yes but the rate of increase in London over the last decade has been lower than the rate of increase than the rest of the country. People talk about crime being out of control in London because of Sadiq Khan but actually crime is ou...

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Think the Tories should be asking the mayor of London for some advice seen as his London is out performing the Tory run country

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Why can't they call one storm fuckedthedayup ? I'm sick and tired of all these namby pamby names. Im the same, I think this storm Henk business has probably ruined 2024 for me already im so annoyed. I mentioned it at work and was laughed at for getting so bothered about something as inconsequential...

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Having watched the full game v Villa on SKY, I think I have seen Foster play his best game for our Club. I cannot believe the improvement since the end of last season. A genuine power house, very strong, challenges for everything,great energy and a very good finisher. All his goals this season seem...

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Sorry to hear about that. But it’s fair to assume Duran doesn’t have the same condition. And I can say with relative certainty that a contact so slight has never made me lose balance to the extent that I’ve fallen over. Im not using that to compare to yesterdays scenario :lol: I was more pointing o...

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The Villa player actually plants his foot before registering that he’s been touched and has an opportunity to dive. It’s a clear dive. Your nerves feel and react to contact immediately often before you brain even realises and you wouldnt believe how hard wired this is. I have a neuropathy illness w...

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I do accept a case can be made for the penalty decision. What I don't accept in this instance is that the contact was enough to floor him - it was a blatant dive in my eyes. I like to think I often look at things objectively without bias, and do support decisions that are not in Burnley's favour. I...

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All this may be true generally, however yesterday the player went down far too easily from the softest of contact and proceeded to roll around like he'd been shot. Such contact shouldn't and doesn't automatically mean it's a penalty. The ref was conned, and VAR should've intervened. I agree with ev...

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So if two players' boots touch in the air, it's clearly a foul - OK, I accept that is your view. Who is it a foul for? Clearly Duran's boot touched Ramsey's. Why didn't we get a free kick? Put it another way, if two men shake hands, how do you decide who is shaking the hand and who is having his ha...

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So is it your contention that the contact between Ramsey and Duran was so hard that Duran couldn't help fall over, but the contact between Duran and Ramsey was very much less hard? The laws of physics suggest otherwise. Unlike you, I watch a lot of rugby. It's rare to see anyone tackled by a breath...

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I’m not sure DA, I hope you’re right! The talk was of suspension pre game and then when he got booked but whether that had been vetted I dunno. Yep Ive seen it mentioned a lot so assumed Id missed a discussion and todays game def counted but hopefully thats not the case but someone will know for ce...

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This must have already been covered but I'll add it to this thread as I thought 19 games was the cut off for 5 yellow cards so a 5th yellow for Berge today wouldnt make a difference. Is there a reason or a rule change that this isnt the case or has the 20th game always counted?

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But you’ve accepted the fact that Duran simulated an injury, so does it not also stand to reason that he simulated the affect that Ramsey’s kick had on his balance? There’s no way that the contact we saw would cause a player to fall over. And I hate the following phrase, but if you have ever played...

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…whilst rolling around holding your leg. Im in no way defending the way players roll around and try to extenuate things or that they make no effort to even trt and ride the contact and stay on their feet. The Villa player acting like an arse afterwards however doesn't change whether it was a penalt...

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taio wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:59 pm
I was responding to someone who suggested handball is out of scope for denying a goal scoring opportunity

Yep my bad, added an edit and apologised as thought it was a response to me

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Why on earth would you think that handball would be out of scope for denying a goal scoring opportunity? I didnt think it was even close to being a goalscoring opportunity thats why. I was honestly shocked to see people suggesting it when I logged on after the game. I've just watched it several tim...

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Really?! I’d love to see you run for a bus and a gust of wind knock you over…….ffs. Kicks his boot………? ! Touches it more like and certainly not enough for what followed…..despite “thems the rules”.. When you run between each foot hitting the ground you have both feet off the ground. If unexpectedly...

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Your original post said VAR and referee decisions and wasn't just focussing on VAR Yes it did and thats why Ive clarified to you what I meant by that (I accept it wasnt clear in my OP) I was talking about the key decisons made by the ref and VAR because as we know what the ref gives on pitch can im...

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You focus on people being biased in favour of the club. But you're biased against it. The handball was a major error yet you didn't even mention it. Im not biased at all, I try and look at everything objectively regardless of what I want to happen. I've explained why i didnt mention the handball in...

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sjb wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:24 pm
Ironic as nobody cares what you say.

Yet here you are replying

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He’s deliberately hand balled it to deny Foster a chance at goal. It’s the last man. The way the ball was bouncing Foster may well have beat him to it and got a clear effort on goal. Your last bit is the key bit. It didnt stop Foster from being clear on goal. If I watch it back and but for the hand...

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RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:19 pm
A deliberate handball aiming to deny a clear goal scoring opportunity is surely a red card offence?

It didnt clearly deny a goalscoring opportunity at all so never a red.

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What about the blatant handball from their defender that prevented a goal scoring chance? The Berge second yellow is harsh IMO, normally referees will give a little leeway. The penalty, does he even touch him? What can the ref do about the handball if he didnt see it in real time. Its not a red and...

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RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:14 pm
Dean Smith who is Villa through and through said there’s no way it’s a penalty.

I dont care what he says, Ramsey kicked his boot which will cause anyone to lose balance when they are running

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Battled hard and showed a lot of fight and you can see the team slowly grow and get more competitive just a shame its unlikely to be enough to keep us up. Anyone moaning about VAR or the ref about the key decision is just very biased towards the team they support as Fosters goal was clearly offside,...

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Villa 2 Burnley 0 - Watkins 38 mins

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I dont think its that much of a stetch to imagine Zaroury is not quite at Premier League level this season when you look at players like Cullen, Beyer, Al Dakhil and even Roberts and how much they have struggled compared to last season in the Championship.

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Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:05 pm
Still remember how shocked I was when I heard he had passed.

You weren't the only one!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97pEKGN ... gBrotherUK

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Is this satire or don't you understand? Countries in the UK can strike reciprocal tax arrangements with Brazil but they're still restricted by being inside the customs union. We're not. Has EU trade with Brazil increased by the same amount? Has the EU struck deals with Australia and new Zealand? Ha...

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This Brazil thing doesn't look like a Brexit benefit to me seen as plenty of individual EU member states have done the same deal as us.

https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/brazil/ind ... x-treaties

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Rowls argument that he should be able to find a bottle with the exact amount of wine he needs at his local shop is at the Ali G level of sophistication and stupidity. Here is Ali G (1min40 - 2min40) talking about money denominations in the same way Rowls thinks about wine bottle capacity https://www...

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Burnley 0 Liverpool 3 - Salah 28 mins

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I think Mr Pace should be more direct in his messaging around this and straight up say that and Burnley supporter with tickets in the JHU stand who can't watch the game in harmony with opposing fans should stay at home and not go on and cause trouble like they did against Everton. In this day and ag...

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Fulham 2 Burnley 1 - Foster 12 mins

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Good luck to her. Despite all the misogyny on here I am proud that our club is involved in this first for a premier league game. Yep we've got an article from CT and a thread from Jdrobbo focusing on this whilst they completely ignore some horrible misogynistic comments on the Joey Barton and SPOTY...

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matttheclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:41 pm
Pretty sure they were top at Christmas in 98 the season It's won the treble

You are right and looks like they spent pretty much the whole first half of that season top of the league

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Clive 1960 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:44 am
They won the league in 1980-1981 when Ron Saunders was manager..

It was the 89/90 season I was thinking of and it was 30th Dec game I must have gone on when Villa won 2-1. It looks like they were 2nd and 3rd not 1st and 2nd with Liverpool several points clear

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I reckon they must have topped the old first division in the late 80's when Platt was playing for them because for a couple of seasons they were probably the 3rd best team after Arsenal and Liverpool. As a kid I went on a New Years day game at Villa Park against Arsenal when they were both 1st and 2...

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