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- Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Obviously I haven't seen the manifesto because it hasn't been written yet. But surely you must expect that it will contain the assertion that we will leave on October 31st, deal or no deal? He might not say that he wants to vote the government out of office. But if a vote is held which he knows in ...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Really? So let's rephrase it. In Parliament: "I detest what Boris Johnson is doing and I want to vote the government out of office." At the hustings: "I support Boris Johnson and wish to express my support for him as Prime Minister and I stand by the Tory manifesto." In Parliament: "I do not suppor...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:21 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I really don't see how Hammond can say in Parliament "I detest what Brois Johnson is doing and I want to vote the government out of office because they are in favour of Brexit". And then next day say "I support Boris Johnson and wish to express my support for him as Prime Minister and I stand by th...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Martin the last 2.5 years we've had a remainer in charge of the country. A Brexiteer has never had the opportunity to do a deal until Boris was elected As I said, we dont know what sort of deal he can get. But I genuinely don’t understand what else you think the EU can offer. The only thing that st...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:37 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
He planting blame for his failure.Lancasterclaret wrote:Bizarre speech by Johnson today.
Needed to come out swinging and really, really, really didn't.
Something tells me that he's getting a lot of hassle from his own side over this daft proroguing of parliament lark.
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Seeing as I’m not in charge it’s very relevant! You’re making even less sense than usual todayColburn_Claret wrote:Seeing as you dont have a plan for Brexit, just a plan to remain its irrelevant.
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
So you agree that the EU are likely to agree to an extension is we want one then.Colburn_Claret wrote:Because the EU said so, and the EU never lie.......
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
How the **** do you know theres nowhere to go. Oh I forgot, they told you. Nobody has a clue what's achievable, because it's never been tested. They say this, we say that, so ******* what. That's what politicians do. You're blinkered. You can believe something as much as you like, it doesn't become...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Because not being fully prepared means you dont know what's going to happen. But we know what will happen, because remainers have been cramming it down our throats for 3 years. So either you were right and we are ready, or you're wrong and the preparations weren't necessary. You cant have it both w...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:40 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
So Johnson effectively make his first election broadcast for his people v the elite populist election.
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The vast majority of the Remainers voted against the agreement every time. There is more to this Remain campaign than the dissident Tories - there is Labour, Liberal, SNP, etc. as well. Not in the Tory party they didn’t and that’s why we’re talking about here, your claim that the Tories who want to...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
They aren't saying that, of course. Just like Owen Coyle never actually said that he would leave Burnley for Bolton, even though most of us knew he would by that stage. What the Remainers are saying is that we won't leave with no deal, we won't leave with the EU's deal, and we will work for a secon...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I suppose it depends whether or not you believe that May was speaking on behalf of the EU as well as herself. If you genuinely think that the promise "we will have Brexit in an orderly manner" is not contradicted by saying "we will not have Brexit", then we will just have to disagree. Which of the ...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
This was the manifesto. https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The promise was "to get the best Brexit deal for our country and its people". You can certainly argue that the best deal possible is no deal. You can also argue that having no deal isn’t h...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:18 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
This was the manifesto. https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The promise was "to get the best Brexit deal for our country and its people". You can certainly argue that the best deal possible is no deal. I don't really see how you can argue that not ...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:35 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
He didn't bring down the government. Also May was a very very weak PM. Besides, the ‘rebels’ are the ones actually trying to deliver what was promised in the last Tory manifesto, a smooth and orderly exit, a Brexit with a deal. All of them voted for the WA, the only thing they have consistently tri...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:33 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
They said that last time too.BennyD wrote:The EU said it. They said they weren’t going to keep extending the deadline if things weren’t progressing in Westminster.
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:08 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I doubt he would need to deselect them. These MPs stood in 2015 on a platform of a referendum about Brexit, they voted to accept the result of the referendum, and they stood again in 2017 on a platform of leaving the EU. And now they're doing all they can to keep us in. That's a pretty hypocritical...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
So with Johnson threatening to withdraw the whip and deselect Tories who vote against him this week and plenty of Tories refusing to crumble under the threat, looks like we’ll officially have a minority government by the end of the week.
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:01 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Yes, they will. But WTO rules aren't prescriptive about exactly what checks have to be made, or even as to whether there has to be a "hard border". If, long term, the UK is seen to be treating the EU preferentially, then complaints will be made and action will be taken. But that isn't going to happ...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
No it doesn't. In time, the checks on goods from the EU will be different and more thorough than they are now. But not on November 1st. Who would or could enforce it? No one, but why would we want to be upsetting countries we are trying to negotiate trade deals with? For example Donald Trump is har...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Did they have to take Johnson's word for it? How will they get an extension? If they try and force Johnson to ask for one, he will treat it as a vote of no confidence and force a general election - or else stay in office, depending on the fixed parliament law - unless the GNU can be cobbled togethe...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:28 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
No, you're wrong. We have to have the same rules for the EU as for the rest of the world, though as you well know they don't have to come in on day 1 - transition periods are allowed. But having the same system? Nonsense. Does Sweden, for example, have the same system for goods coming in from Norwa...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:24 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Why haven't they been doing that for the last 6 weeks? Boris Johnson became PM on 24th July which meant there were 99 days available to "do something about it". They knew Boris was heading for no deal unless the EU changed its mind; there is no new news on that. So far, 39 of those days have passed...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:16 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You mention smuggling and tariffs then the rest of your post is just about smuggling.dsr wrote:I don't know. What about it?
Besides, if we are operating under WTO rules we can’t have a different system for the EU as the rest of the world. So it’s either checks for all or open borders for the whole world.
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:09 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Internal stalemate? There isn't an internal stalemate. We have a government going full steam ahead and a Parliament that can't be bothered coming back off holiday to take part. When Parliament eventually gets round to sitting again, there might be a stalemate. What part are parliament playing in ne...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:04 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
They certainly do. Does anyone else have any notion as to why the paperwork takes longer for non-EU vehicles than it does for EU? Answer - it's to stop smuggling and tariff evasion. All the lorries have paperwork which may or may not be checked. Does anyone know how effective the current system is ...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The offer of an extension is merely a ploy to allow remain MPs more time to try and get a second referendum or a GNU, it’s another desperate move to try and get the result they want. However, even that wasn’t possible until no deal came back. They haven’t thought no deal was a realistic possibility...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Martin p, agreed. Without someone taking the lead and driving Brexit forward we would be forever doomed to the endless merry go round, until the people got so sick of it that they said “fuk it, it’s too much like hard work” and we stayed in. There was only one outcome the remainer MPs wanted and th...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The experience of May when she was repeatedly told that the deal on the table was non negotiable and the Oct 31st deadline was non moveable unless there was a second referendum or General election. Since no deal was put back on the table the EU are talking about an extension in order to get another...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Well you can't 'fully prepare' for something that hasn't happened yet, and have no way of knowing 'fully' what will happen. Well you can’t prepare for something that has already happened because then it’d be called reacting. Obviously they’ve fully prepared on what they think will happen, that’s al...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:33 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Why?Bin Ont Turf wrote:Fully prepared my arris.
It's impossible to be fully prepared for a no deal.
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The problem with all this leaked info regarding shortages, is that most of it has been leaked by remainers and then taken out of context. If you don’t prepare for the worst case, it will be THE worst case if it happens. Therefore the theoretical, food medicine, fuel, HRT drug shortages are just tha...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Another revisionist, so let me respond; since the referendum MPs have always held the whip hand: how many votes have there been? The results of these votes have stymied progress on every level. Just to remind you, May actively approached all MPs as to why her deal was the best we could achieve, esp...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Name and shame them. They will all be people who have not had their hands on the levers of power during this entire process. What shouldn't be downplayed in all of this is how leave went from; "should we do Norway plus, or Canada plus plus, or a kind of Switzerland version...?" to; "we are leaving ...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You honestly think the EU would waste 30 years negotiating instead of just saying no? I honestly think for the last five years (at least) the writing has been on the wall, Turkey has been as far a way as ever as was pointed out when Farage and co were claiming we were about to be awash with Turkish...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:40 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Was it? They only suspended negotiations for Turkey to join the EU earlier this year because Erdogan? is clearly batshit mental. Negotiations have been ongoing for a long long time though. https://www.thenewfederalist.eu/turkish-eu-accession-where-are-we" onclick="window.open(this.href);return fals...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:50 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The post was about how the poor voted, not how the country voted. The poor in London having a far larger percentage of migrants or second generation immigrants than the poor outside of London, would look on Brexit completely differently. Hence the difference in the way they voted. So what about Man...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:42 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: A reality check
- Replies: 26
- Views: 4667
Re: A reality check
Can’t believe people are reacting this way to a defeat by the European Champions. Admittedly our game fell away in the second half yesterday, but up until Mee’s mistake (they happen even to the best of players) we were matching them. The only reality check from yesterday is that we aren’t going to b...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:30 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Sorry meant leave not remain. You said the rest of the country voted leave, where did you get that from?Colburn_Claret wrote:WTF
I reread it twice, and I still cant see where I said that. Please highlight it for me coz I'm just confused by your post.
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:19 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Sadly Ringo I honestly believe he cant see the hypocrisy of his post. He really believes that a government of unity heavily weighted by remainers, will fairly represent the public weighted by Leavers. Sadly you haven’t read the post where he said the weighting should reflect the referendum result, ...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:11 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
No, it's not an assumption, I've never been to the Etihad, but I know City are great, because theres wall to wall coverage on the tv. Over the last 30 years I've must have seen as much news stories on London, the good areas and the bad, to realise that the poorest areas are inhabited by mostly migr...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:29 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
They aren't proposing a "government of national unity" that would include Brexiters. I realise that some people want this "Government of National Unity" because they think Parliament deserves the chance to get together and find common ground on what we want from Brexit. What a shame they haven't ha...
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:22 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Keep going, it’s all top quality stuff.RingoMcCartney wrote:I'll let you know next week.
(Page 1 of "How to Keep an Idiot in Suspense)
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:17 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Got any more?RingoMcCartney wrote:Remoaners- democratic enough to talk down to anyone, till they agree with them.
I didn't make that up.
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:07 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You often do (see your post at 12.03am).RingoMcCartney wrote:Remoaners- " brexit is divisive and causing uncertainty"
Solution?
Remoaners- "Lets force the PM to seek an extension and drag it out even further !"
You could not make it up!
- Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:05 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Remoaners for the last 3 years- "if the prime minister had actually taken on board the views of the remainers and included us in the negotiations. We could have had a far better outcome to brexit. Instead she chose to totally ignore the view of the 48%" Remoaners august 2019 - " we need a Peoples P...
- Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
And one advantage of leaving without a deal is that it will stop all the infighting. The Remain MPs will know that we have left and will be gutted. Who knows what they will do. But most of the MPs in the House claim that they want us to leave. So when we leave (as is likely) without a deal, the vas...
- Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:49 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Luton Away - March 1980
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1013
Re: Luton Away - March 1980
Although I’d seen a couple of games in the 75/76 season (my first), 79/80 was my first real taste of relegation. Not nice.
- Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
- Replies: 22828
- Views: 1179296
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Not looking for an argument, but everything you are wanting is only possible in an ideal world, not the real one. We could argue for the next 5 years we wouldnt be any more informed than today, just more confused. To have a deal in place, prior to enacting article 50, would be impossible. The EU wo...