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Paul Waine

Based on what's been in the press, I imagine the Premier League "no decision" today is result of Brighton, West Ham and Watford (and maybe some others) all saying season should be null and void. Also, I saw Gary Neville making similar statement. I've no idea if he was thinking that otherwise Liverpo...

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Just reported 3 Cologne players have tested positive for the virus and have now to stay in isolation for 14 days. None showed any symptoms. Be interesting to see how this plays out and while knee jerk reactions won't help, this may develop into news the PL don't want to hear. With all this news of ...

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Just wonder to what extent these companies pay "management services or similar" to overseas companies. I don't have any figures to quote. I'm pretty sure that all "virgin" brands pay something for the use of the "virgin" name. If Virgin Atlantic can sort themselves out, then good luck to them. With...

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I think they're at least equally important. I agree that somebody's word in more direct discussions is more important but in a briefing speech its a lot easier to not word a phrase as you meant than it is to put it in your official communications and leave it there unchanged. Its splitting hairs an...

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Worrying figures for the government in today's Ipsos Mori poll. This week’s Ipsos MORI Coronavirus trends find that the public are becoming less concerned about the risk posed by coronavirus to themselves personally over time. The percentage concerned is down 9 percentage points over the last month...

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I will be keeping 2m distance for the foreseeable future in line with Infection Prevention and Control guidance. There's stronger evidence at the moment that doing that is more effective than always wearing a mask in public. If it was made compulsory to relax social distancing much more significant...

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This is the study https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75 Methodology looks pretty sound from what I can see, although I'm obviously not an expert. Hi aggi, thanks for that link. Very interesting to read. An encouragement for all us older ones to look forward to many more years.... keeping e...

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I can tell people aren't sticking to it now. The roads are certainly busier than when lockdown started. Considerably so. Busier roads? that's just all the additional online shopping slots and a few more click and collect for groceries...oh, and all the DIYers heading to B&Q (and other stores) for t...

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Hmm, Germany taking a decision to re-start football and France taking the opposite decision.... What should England do? French government lobbying partners so that Europe’s other top 5 leagues’ seasons do not restart Le Parisien report this evening that French President Emmanuel Macron does not want...

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Take your sense somewhere else please Grumps :lol: :lol: Point is - everyone returning is going straight in to lockdown and self-isolation (if they show symptoms) anyway. A more valid question is whether we should have banned inbound travel sooner, particularly from China, right at the outset? If t...

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Sorry, my mistake - I should have put April for both months. I'll edit the original. The UK was offered the tests on 4th April, and the US FDA approved them on 18th April. https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/18/curative-received-fda-emergency-use-authorization-for-its-novel-covid-19-tests/ Yes, added my...

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A fortnight is a long time in development of this virus. The Guardian is pillorying the government for not buying these tests on 4th March; the US FDA approved them for use, under emergency powers, on 18th March. A fortnight, or a long time, later. You can't use FDA approval as an argument why the ...

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Govt have responded to criticisms of Sage by looking to widen the expertise within the group. This comes after pressure and scrutiny from journalists around Cummings attendance and around gaps in certain areas of expertise https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/apr/29/government-rushes-out-reques...

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It's all ifs and maybes like any forecast. No, a valuation is intended to be today's valuation, the price, for example, that a "willing buyer would buy from a willing seller" ("willing" taking the "distressed seller" out of the equation). You are right it is all about the future, some expectations ...

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4,419 new deaths today? Is that for real or are they taking into account something else now? Different measurement implemented today. All the carehome and community deaths included for the first time, based on a new reporting process, if I understand correctly. Think the deaths on Tuesday (is it up...

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Hmm! hardly an empathetic denial by Raab here,i'd tread carefully if i was this government,bailing out tax dodgers won't go down well with many of their new voters,they'd be well advised to bear this in mind. No state support for tax haven firms, urges Labour MP "We should be bailing out the 99% no...

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With Spurs having a billion pound multi use stadium in London, is it so daft? They also have the highest valued player in the premier league in Kane at 200m. Just a thought Quickenthetempo, Spurs may have spent a billion pounds building their multi use stadium, but how much is the stadium worth tod...

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It seems odd that the capacity is being quoted as 30k more than test carried out when it seems impossible to book a test after the first hour or so on the website. I've not looked into this. Is the website the only way to book a test? Is that the way to book a home test kit, or does it allow you to...

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On testing, Dominic Raab says current figures are: Testing capacity = 73,400 Tests carried out = 43,563 I'm wondering, should we have a sweep on (1) capacity, (2) tests carried out and (3) what is a "good achievement" by the gov't and what is a "fail." Measured by numbers reported as available/perf...

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Maybe it’s because they are journalists trying to put together an easy to digest article rather than data modellers putting together a scientific analysis? And if we’re running under capacity why had all the home test kits run out in the first hour this morning? On your second point, I'd hazard a g...

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Not a chance that will happen. If the target is reached he will complain it should have been reached the day before, or it should have been 105k Oops, sorry Grumps. Your post was immediately above mine. Maybe our friend, JackM, won't notice/or maybe he'll make an allowance for the 90 mins or so bet...

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I'll be :shock: if we're carrying out 100k tests per day,we may reach 100k capacity in a few days,but that wasn't what was promised,and what's the point of having 100k capacity if it's not being utilised,good factual article by the BBC here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612 This snippet ca...

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Looks like we will all by advised/recommended (but not "required") to wear "face covering" (but, not "medical masks") when shopping and using public transport. Britain to stockpile masks for public to use while shopping and on transport The Times online, 5pm today. Britain is to build a stockpile of...

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Is this the answer to discussions at SAGE? Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, said this week the Sage decision on masks had been taken several heated discussions to finalise, adding that the evidence was “ quite difficult to interpret because it’s not very strong. You c...

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tiger76 wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:16 pm
Trouble brewing in Germany?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/merkel-faces- ... 8986.html

Thanks, tiger76. I wonder what lessons we can take from observing and comparing Germany with other countries?

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martin_p wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:49 pm
Why does it matter?

No, you are right, it doesn't matter. Why do you make these unfounded accusations about Cummings?

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jackmiggins wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:11 pm
Just wondering why Paul Waine & Grumps seem to pop up together in every separate thread regarding the virus? Can he/she explain?

I did you a disservice, not 2 threads, it's 3.

No worries.

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martin_p wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:02 pm
Does it matter? Why would he/she reveal themselves given what I’ve pointed out about Cummings modus operandi anyway?

Yes, martin, I think it matters. Why do think it doesn't? Aren't you calling for transparency?

Paul Waine

Thanks Paul, I guess both you and Grumps are actually so active on this subject due to your extreme guilt at having to be rescued from your ‘exotic’ holidays. Bit daft to fly out in the first place, wasn’t it? Oh, sorry.....you’d already paid for it, so felt duty bound to set off, even though you w...

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No doubt both you and Grumps (if you aren’t the very same?...seem to pop up together?) will be booking another cheap holiday soon, knowing that the tax payer will have to pay for your flight back.......again!!! Hi Jack, are you referring to me? No, Grumps and I are two different people. Why would y...

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Ok, I’ll widen it out to ‘chief government advisors with a reputation for rubbishing and then getting rid of those who disagree with him’. And as a second question, how many of those other meetings have resulted in members stating they were uncomfortable with the government observer’s interjections...

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Its time to realise no games will be played in England Wrighty was on Chapmans show expressing this view I agree with Ian Wright , people are dying and some people want a return to normal Even these incompetent muppets in Boris's bungling crew aren't dumb enough to end lockdown just because a few f...

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I have to admit, I’ll spit whilst running in the countryside, never when near others and I always thought it was something I had to do as it’s difficult to swallow flem when breathing heavily. That’s said, I’ll run for 40 minutes on a treadmill at the gym and never feel the need to spit on the carp...

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Apparently, the so called 'Sage' group has no expertise! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/27/gaps-sage-scientific-body-scientists-medical?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0OFSf-wmvTC0BcpBLMeEnPBTTGRpMDhnsnecIQAjRMUi1kEngcGxAtWi4 Wonderful opening paragraph from the Guardian. "The succe...

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martin_p wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:30 am
How many did Dominic Cummings attend?

Best you take a look at the links, then you will understand that you are asking me the wrong question.

The link may give you an idea how many previous "Cummings" have attended earlier SAGE meetings.

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Haha. Knew someone would find fault in it :lol: :lol: On TV last night they said that this would be in addition to standard death in service benefits. Did Hancock confirm that specifically in his briefing? Radio 4 this morning someone who'd been campaigning for this action says it covers everyone, ...

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And you believe that if Cummings hadn’t been there then the way SAGE would have reported back is by sending the government the meeting minutes! You don’t really advance your argument with nonsense like that. You’re also failing to engage with the allegation that Cummings wasn’t merely ‘observing’. ...

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Thanks for the link Paul, very informative. I see from following the link ( https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response ) to the specific COVID-19 page that SAGE is itself advised by a series of expert groups. "SAGE relies on ext...

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Sweden - worth a read:

Anders Tegnell, the man who convinced Sweden not to go into lockdown

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9dca ... 4c05fabbf9

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TVC15 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:35 pm
Just read the thread before you think you are putting someone right.
There was nothing in my post which was factually incorrect so not got a clue why you thought I needed any “assistance”.

are you kidding, there's approx. 90 posts today, alone.

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Anyone who's interested, there's a gov't website describing SAGE. There's also Meeting Summaries for a number of past meetings (not covid-19). I've no idea how long this site has been available online, or when covid-19 was added. https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/scientific-advisory-group-for-eme...

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I worded that wrongly, my bad. Assumptions/claims being made that Gov advisors don't attend Sage meetings are incorrect. They've attended them for years. The claim that it was chaired by Cummings will, I suspect, come out in the wash as incorrect when the minutes are eventually released. Report in ...

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I only read your first line - the rest looks like usual waffle. Not sure you have the wrong end of the stick - mine was a response to someone who had said that MPs had received a £10k bonus. I was simply pointing out it wasn’t that and what it was. Not sure which bit of my post has caused you to re...

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MPs received an additional budget of £10k for potential additional costs related to working from home for themselves and their staff. Assume there will be a process like the rest of any expenses they claim for guidelines of what they can spend this on and having to justify any spend. Did you miss I...

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Paul Waine and Grumps - I would have suspended all passenger flights into the country - including those Brits who took advantage of cheap flights in March. Hope this clarifies? Thanks, Jack. All passenger flights from all countries? What date did you want to do this? Would you have suspended before...

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That doesn’t state when other than in the future, which is tautology to be honest, you can’t hold one in the past. The future has arrived since I started typing this sentence! We’re already able to look ‘in retrospect’ at the early handing of the crisis. So long as we stick with "not now" and know ...

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I read the blog. It basically agrees with the Sunday Times that there are questions to be answered. I don’t remember it specifically saying ‘not now’. Hi martin, copy/paste all Catherine Haddon's blog - and underlined when she references a future coronavirus inquiry , both in the heading of her 3rd...

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Surprised you haven’t picked up on the Sunday Times response to the government’s rebuttal Paul, published yesterday (yes, on a Sunday). They’ve far from dropped it. Hi martin, yes, I noticed late Sunday evening that the ST was responding to gov't response and they featured it in a leader. Reading s...

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Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:39 am
Football had already been cancelled at that point though.

are you sure? I thought Liverpool had a European game mid-week around same time. I know City game was called off, but I can't remember which day of the week that decision was announced. We played Spurs the w/end before.

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Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:33 am
So which idiots allowed Cheltenham Festival to go ahead?

Who governs horse racing? Who attends horse racing?

Agree, I was surprised it wasn't postponed. I was surprised people went.

But, wasn''t Cheltenham more than a week before we went into lockdown?

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