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AndrewJB

Just commenting to say I appreciate this thread and the consolidation of all these links and articles.

AndrewJB

Will they tell you in advance if the train is cancelled or do you find out on the platform after it is already three minutes late?

AndrewJB

More Humpty Dumpty-ism.

I know I’m slightly to the left on your scale, but for some reason I just don’t identify with Stalin. Can’t think of why that might be. The ‘tache?

AndrewJB

FCBurnley wrote:Now let me think. I wonder who `pointed it out` ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was this documentary.

AndrewJB

You expect to be taken seriously? I remember seeing it pointed out a long time ago (around 2003) the similarities between the Taliban and the Bush administration. The strong religious conservatism, the disregard of human rights, and the tendency toward armed force rather than diplomacy. And that th...

AndrewJB

Democracy means you also have the choice to abstain from voting which I suggest is probably the right way to go at the moment. It's like choosing which is the least stinky pile of crap. None - exercise your chance to change the way they represent us by clearly saying none of the above. When you're ...

AndrewJB

The only reason my questions " dont work" for both you and Andrew JB, is that it inconveniently shows that sore loser remoaners, like to pick and choose when they like to call voters " weak in character " or any of the multitude of regularly used disparaging terms . Or when you want to see the very...

AndrewJB

You're living in a fantasy Andrew. Leaving the EU isnt about not cooperating with our neighbours, it's about not having our neighbours setting our laws and policies. We've cooperated with America for 70 years, they dont dictate our lives. How is he going to know who came and when well how about the...

AndrewJB

There are swastikas on the Essex County Council building in Chelmsford, built in the 1920s, and no NAZI connection.

AndrewJB

That's an answer to a different question Andrew. I'll try again- When 5 million labour voters, voted Leave in 2016, were they "weak in character" so they were conned? Yes or No? When the same 5 million voted Labour voted labour in 2017 , " weak in character " so they were conned? Yes or No? Many of...

AndrewJB

RingoMcCartney wrote:When 5 million labour voters, voted Leave in 2016, were they "weak in character" so they conned?

Yes or No?

When the same 5 million voted Labour voted labour in 2017 , " weak in character " so they were conned?

Yes or No?

Everyone has weaknesses in their character.

AndrewJB

Nobody has mentioned cutting all ties, just you. We'll still trade with the EU just under different terms. Boris has already said any EU nationals residing and working in Britain are welcome to stay. Any more that are thinking of coming can also come, providing they meet a points style criteria , s...

AndrewJB

Isn't it amusing when 5 million labour voters , voted to leave the EU in 2016, they were stupid gullible sheep, who were conned into making the wrong choice. When the very same 5 million voted labour at the last general election in 2017, they presumably, they were no longer stupid gullible sheep, w...

AndrewJB

dsr wrote:This is the usual "I'm clever and you are stupid" argument. It's not a vote winner.

I'm not clever. I'm just me. You haven't countered my debate at all.

AndrewJB

And when all , what was being cited as "fact based evidence" that brexit will be a catastrophic disaster, doesn't actually materialise. Those that previously claimed it was "fact based evidence" will simply repeat what they did when their previous "evidence" failed to materialise. Which is then cla...

AndrewJB

Are you suggesting that if civil servants are told by their minister to produce a "worst-case" scenario based on zero preparation, they would refuse to do it? The report was described as not being a worst case scenario. “These are likely, reasonable scenarios” said a senior government source. But t...

AndrewJB

dsr wrote:Of course it's a worst case scenario. And a worst case scenario dreamed up by someone who was anti-Brexit, at that.

You think? This means a group of civil servants have wilfully skewed a serious study on which government action will be based and a lot of money spent. Or it might be that it’s true?

AndrewJB

A lot of it is utter bilge. Remember, it was written by someone who foresees a situation where there are some vital medicines needed in the hospitals, and these medicines are in a truck at Dover, and yet he cannot imagine how the problem of getting the medicines from Dover to the hospitals can be s...

AndrewJB

The bloke admitted that he was up for the idea of being a suicide bomber at one point... I was referring to the power of a Home Secretary to take away a person’s citizenship rather than this specific incident. If taking away someone’s citizenship is something we as a country deem necessary, then th...

AndrewJB

I'm uncomfortable with revoking his citizenship. Letts. Begum. Products of our society. So our responsibility. I completely agree. And as a power wielded by a home secretary, it's arbitrary, and probably excessive. If it's something necessary to have, then at least it should be done with judicial o...

AndrewJB

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... llowhammer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Something for us all to look forward to.

AndrewJB

Some info on Andy Ngo: https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... scist.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AndrewJB

Aah so your twisted ideology allows you to claim that because a violent and aggressive mob , prepared to threaten the lives of a family , including a 15 and 10 year old children , were wearing fancy dress, they weren't far left thugs and remainiacs....take your pick!? So migrants, HIV activists, ga...

AndrewJB

This kind of thing has been going on for some time, sadly. Remember when a mob of far left thugs or remainiacs.....take your pick, :( hunted Nigel Farage and his family down forcing him to flee for his safety? Yes, the mob of far left thugs or remainiacs.....take your pick, :( first went into one p...

AndrewJB

Corbyn couldn't win an election in 2017,despite the Conservatives running the worst campaign in living memory,so there's no chance he'll win an outright majority next time,he might with some luck see Labour emerge as the largest single party,but he'll have to rely on the Lib Dems and possibly the S...

AndrewJB

VAR will be a positive for us. Their disallowed goal might have stood for them in previous years.

AndrewJB

Sorry. That naively assumes that the world stands still during this "interim" period. Anything could happen domestically or in the wider world during this time, and the PM needs to have sufficient level of competency and support to be able to handle it. How many MPs would consider Jezza t be "safe ...

AndrewJB

I would agree with that in theory. Certainly any argument that the coalition would be worried about Corbyn clinging to power are groundless, because there is no way he (or any other PM, for that matter) would survive a vote of confidence if he tried to do any more than the remit of overturning or d...

AndrewJB

But as a leaver Corbyn wouldn't be credible as the leader of a group that was opposing no deal and more than likely working towards a People's Vote. He would be a totally divisive figure, and when you then factor in his total incompetence, I just don't see how it could work. Could he ever claim to ...

AndrewJB

Ok. I generally agree with much of what you post, but we're miles apart on this. Simple question. Do you seriously think that if Johnson loses a vote of confidence that a "remain / people's vote" coalition would have Corbyn as interim Prime Minister? He simply would not get the support. If MPs of o...

AndrewJB

Sorry. there's virtually no one who respects Corbyn's position over brexit, not even a lot of his shadow cabinet. It’s not about Corbyn’s position on anything, but the agreed course of action for a temporary government to stop a no deal Brexit. It looks as though the rebel Tories are on board as ar...

AndrewJB

That's what I wrote. Decisive. If there's one way to guarantee a no deal brexit it's to have a Corbyn led coalition as the alternative. if there's to be a coalition then it has to be a moderate person who commands the respect of all parties, and preferably a Tory as they the largest party. Ken Clar...

AndrewJB

You just don’t get it do you? People voted to leave the EU because of the ever increasing political nature of it and that erodes national sovereignty. There’s no question that there will be an immediate economic shockwave but us brexiteers can see beyond that and we will have the levers to forge th...

AndrewJB

If the government didn't prepare for no deal and we left with no deal it's guaranteed those moaning about the current preparations would moan about a lack of any.. No. We could have a good deal - remaining in the customs union and single market while exiting the EU - without even the idea of a no d...

AndrewJB

Devils_Advocate wrote:I'm never quite sure if DSR is the con artist or the sucker

You obviously haven’t thought about it for at least half a second.

AndrewJB

But for all the warnings leave didn't provide about the intransigence of the EU, that was compensated for by the fact that Remain did tell us how hard negotiations would be. Britain is leaving a limited free trade area, where we can have free trade with whoever we're told. We can now have free trad...

AndrewJB

One plus is that Spain still likes relatively rich people to go and live there because they like the foreign currency. So no problem there. Here's another plus. The campaign that said almost anything to get the "yes" vote over the line has been wrong in most respects so far. It may well continue th...

AndrewJB

No, not particularly similar. But it shows that there is no absolute principle against it. I think you’re clutching at straws. None of this is going well at all. A campaign that said almost anything to get the “no” vote over the line, and now we can see their promises of easy trade deals and sunlit...

AndrewJB

Our government blaming it on the EU, for a change.

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... y.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AndrewJB

Spending billions on preparations for a hard Brexit that parliament won’t allow to happen. Reminds me of the water cannons.

AndrewJB

Corbyn out. Totally out of touch with Labour voters and their real concerns education housing and jobs Labour are unelectable as a government with Corbyn and his Trots running the party. When the Liberals are seen as a Tory alternative vote you know the games up What are Labour's policies on educat...

AndrewJB

They meant that we can choose who to let in to work here. Basically, under the new rules, EU citizens will not have an automatic right to work in this country; they will be subject to the same restrictions (or lack of) as other immigrants/migrants/visitors. This may make no difference at all, we ma...

AndrewJB

aggi wrote:I assume they mean we'll be leaving the Schengen area so we can reinstate passport control at our borders, check who is entering the country, etc

But we're not in the Schengen Area. I don't think there is any 'control' to be taken back, so perhaps they're inventing some?

AndrewJB

They don't need to make instant changes. The changes they need will be phased in to minimise disruption. "Taking control of our borders" doesn't mean preventing ordinary visitors from coming to the UK. It never did. A lot of Remainers have never grasped that; you aren't alone. What did they mean by...

AndrewJB

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ees-treble" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AndrewJB

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So you're happy for the UK to tie a hand behind their back by removing the potential for no deal?

Impressive.

The threat of no deal is not a negotiational advantage for us if the EU calls our bluff, as it’ll impact us harder, and they’ll have the greater resources to be able to cope.

AndrewJB

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... dark-money" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Over six hundred different ads extolling Johnson as PM.

AndrewJB

The UK red lines were points of principle about what being out of the UK really meant. Obviously I knew that the EU demanded that the practical solutions for the Irish border should be established first before it was decided what the rules were going to be. That's not a red line, that was just a wa...

AndrewJB

Sounds like that makes two of us. What were the EU red lines? Becuase I don't see they should have any. The EU already has a protocol for dealing with independent countries. It's crazy that you've accused the EU of being obstructive, and you don't actually know their position. The real problem here...

AndrewJB

If you seriously believed that the Brexit supporters were speaking on behalf of the EU when they made those comments, then you should have known better. Even the ones quoted by the Guardian make it clear that the EU's self-interest and the mutual benefit to both sides of a free trade deal would mak...

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