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- Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
Just had a look at those minutes conceded. We are not outliers from minutes 30-45. We have 8 scored and 12 conceded. Similar to several. Don’t know about just the last few minutes of the half. However where we ARE outliers (with Sheffield) is minutes 76-90. We have 6 scored and 18 conceded. But our...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:21 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
It's very difficult to compare eras in terms of discipline, one of the refs we've recently had has dished out over 120 yellow cards in 24 games - what do you do with that ? It's nuts I'm also not convinced we got VK's first choices in signings Seem to be a lot of excuses being made for VK (not just...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Teams for Brighton
- Replies: 34
- Views: 2232
Re: Teams for Brighton
You have two choices on is the one in the OP. Where you use Brownhill as the number 10 instead of Amdouni and Odobert breaking the lines through the centre and arriving late in the box. This is the team I would have played from the start with a midfield 3. I thought Brownhill did that ok last seaso...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:37 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
nope, the second the game starts it's on the players. How many goals did we concede last season in those circumstances when we had players who were better than most of the other teams ? I think maybe 2 or 3 right at the beginning of the season whilst the players where figuring it out and that inclu...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:24 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Harry Kane
- Replies: 31
- Views: 2640
Re: Harry Kane
Difference being Drogba was the main man in a dominating Chelsea team with big money signings. Kane became the main man in a very young inexperienced Tottenham team that weren’t anyway near title contenders at the time. What I was trying to get at, is basically saying that a Drogba type player in a...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:24 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: As anybody seen.....................................
- Replies: 34
- Views: 3435
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:02 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
same for loads of teams that concede at the end of both halves, Man Utd being the prime example recently. Ten Hags fault a player dives in and gives away a pen or that players don't close down ? Find me a single manager or coach in the history of the game that doesn't say "once they cross the white...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2668
Re: 'The Project'...
I believe they have money, not billionaire money but a good deal of it. I also believe they have already cashed a profit for themselves on their original contribution to the sale transaction and upfront fees, I just do not know by how much, it is a win all the way for them now, the question is just...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
- Replies: 78
- Views: 5305
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2668
Re: 'The Project'...
Every club uses the word 'project' Imagine being triggered by the word 'project' Certainly not triggered :D I used 'project' metaphorically and somewhat humorously to try and summarise how posters think the outcome of ALK's time with the club will play out, which so far, has been quite a mixed bag.
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
- Replies: 78
- Views: 5305
Re: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
Yet you haven't shown any such tolerance whatsoever towards Trafford and in your campaign against him. Wrong. Gave plenty of 7s and the odd 8/9 My argument that has remained consistant was - Traff did nothing to get the shirt in the first place - That if we do want to play this high risk/high rewar...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
- Replies: 78
- Views: 5305
Re: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
I don't think it's the manager's instructions to make a complete balls of it. Of course - but if it's a high risk gameplan then every now and then stuff like that is bound to happen. People take poor touches all over the park, the problem is a poor touch or a misplaced pass deep in your own half us...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
- Replies: 78
- Views: 5305
Re: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
He'd already got away with it once before they scored - I'll stand by my three because mistakes like that, in my view, make it an abysmal performance. He got away with it because that's the instructions. High risk high reward, which is on the managers' instruction. No doubt it's a blunder; I have j...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
- Replies: 78
- Views: 5305
Re: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
The tedious and weird Trafford v Muric thing continues. It was a 3/10 performance because the error could have been avoided and it appeared to have a negative impact all round, it cost us the game, irrespective of the context of the game. I would have given him 3 if it was a mid table dead rubber. ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
- Replies: 78
- Views: 5305
Re: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
Partly responsible for the red card at Palace but Muric cost us with the worst goalkeeping mistake of the season. Therefore for me, Muric’s performance was more costly and worse. Traff did similar at Luton but it deflected wide. It's not worthy of a 3 in my opinion - it was a bad mistake in a huge ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2668
Re: 'The Project'...
I like the idea of bringing in young, technically gifted footballers. Of course there’s scope to have a more balanced approach and ensure there’s enough know-how and experience to knit things together, but I’m still onboard. So long as the club’s financial future isn’t jeopardised, I’m happy that w...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:32 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mental health
- Replies: 30
- Views: 2188
Re: Mental health
Brilliant post mate.
Saddened to read of some of the trauma you've faced but happy to read that you've managed to turn a corner and over come it.
Kudos on reaching out, getting help and encouraging others to do so.
Saddened to read of some of the trauma you've faced but happy to read that you've managed to turn a corner and over come it.
Kudos on reaching out, getting help and encouraging others to do so.
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:27 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2668
Re: 'The Project'...
Fair enough, what’s interesting is that link has the term in the title but I listened to the first couple of minutes and Kompany doesn’t mention it. My point really is, I don’t think it’s been an over used term by anyone at the club. I don’t hear it rolled out in interview after interview. It’s jus...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:13 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2668
'The Project'...
So where/how does it end you think? A few small step backs but ultimately a period of sustained success in the Premier League? Or slowly petering out and lulling to our sort of level pre 2013? Or, goodness forbid, anything worse. For me it could still go one of three ways - I'm not convinced either ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:36 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The next 2 seasons
- Replies: 29
- Views: 1917
Re: The next 2 seasons
Is the OP on a wind up or?... Losing two play-off finals on the bounce would be torturous. Can you not remember walking down Wembley Way after the final in 2009 and seeing how dejected the Sheff United fans were? I can remember thinking how bad must they be feeling right now, along with being pretty...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
there is a reason there are levels in football, one of the key factors is concentration - the TOP players have it and rarely make mistakes but many gain it through experience - we have neither, it's amazing how surprised some are by a lot of things we have seen this season. For sure - that's a huge...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:43 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
Kompany has to take the blame for the decisions with recruitment, tactics and in game substitutions but the amount of individual mistakes the players have made you cannot blame him for them all. Not kompanys fault muric played that pass yesterday or that Trafford decided to come and claim for the b...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Masters golf
- Replies: 52
- Views: 3323
Re: Masters golf
If Bhatia wins this and gets an invite he's getting lumped on.
Matsuyama as well for me - can't wait for it!!
Matsuyama as well for me - can't wait for it!!
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 2254
Re: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
A huge part of the problem is that one man holds so much power at the football club, and that man is a 37 year old novice with an ego the size of the training ground. Doesn’t help how Pace talks about him in the media either. He’s supposed to be answering to Pace but it appears to be the other way ...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 2254
Re: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
It could work but the dof and manager would have to be exeptionally well aligned for it to. I can’t see Kompany ever being under someone’s else’s control or asking their input. His recent team selections are all over the place like when I couldn’t win on football manager or something. Randomly just...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 2254
Re: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
The DOF usually chooses a lot of the players and the manager themselves in some setups. So the team manager usually becomes more of a coach for the players the dof has last say on but they get everyone’s feedback from owners to coaches. I’m not a fan of it tbh as usually the dof isn’t as good as th...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:43 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 2254
Re: If VK is made director of football who is our manager?
I said that VK needs to figure out if he wants to be a DoF or a manager, not that we should make him our DoF. I'm firmly of the view that we need a director of football/technical director/sporting director - but its not Kompany. Its someone who can challenge and peer review Kompany’s thinking (as He...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3076
Re: The cost of playing out badly
It's not absurd to argue that with quicker possession, moving the ball faster and pacey wingers we win both those games against established PL teams. We have a manager problem. It's an issue for the fanbase because in the end it's admitting that the fantasy is over. But no one can watch those games...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
What a plank you are! Playing to the audience. I haven’t said Kompany is ‘the worst thing to happen to the club’. I think he should go and I’ve said that since late Sep/Oct. I got banned for starting a Kompany out thread. Some of us discuss what we believe in not just want you think people want to ...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:56 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Harry Kane
- Replies: 31
- Views: 2640
Re: Harry Kane
He's on track to get 40+ goals for Bayern this season, not sure he's the man to blame for their struggles. We'll see, i think the Euros this summer is massive for Kane and England, not sure we've ever had a better chance to win something since 66. He might well be - still aren't going to win the le...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:37 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Post match interviews v Everton
- Replies: 58
- Views: 3908
Re: Post match interviews v Everton
Our support this season, considering the results from the ten games/size of the town/cost of living/price of the matches has actually been superb in all honesty.
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:30 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3076
Re: The cost of playing out badly
I think this is about the most sensible and reasonable post on this thread. I can’t remember any other mistakes like yesterday. The only passing it out error that immediately springs to mind is the Trafford one to Brownhill, but I’m sure there’s others my coping mechanisms have put in to the deepes...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:45 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
You're all over this thread spouting your highly predictable tripe, but there was hardly a peep out of you for a couple of weeks when we hit a bit of decent form. You were the same under Dyche, and it will be no different when VK leaves and the next manager comes in. There's constructive criticism ...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:20 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Harry Kane
- Replies: 31
- Views: 2640
Re: Harry Kane
Fair enough. I definitely wouldn't be leaving him out, even if we had a serious alternative. For me him and Bellingham are our 2 world class players who would get in any team in the world. As for Bayern they were very lucky to win the league last season, Dortmund bottled it on the last day. Yet the...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:06 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Harry Kane
- Replies: 31
- Views: 2640
Re: Harry Kane
The Harry Kane conundrum... My take - he lacks the physicality to be able to play himself into a game when things aren't quite falling for him/the team like a striker such as Benzema, Suarez, Drogba etc can so isn't the type that can take a game by the scruff of the neck and make something happen. I...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:49 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Who's done enough to get a move?
- Replies: 33
- Views: 2325
Re: Who's done enough to get a move?
Berge, Odobert definitely.. I really want to keep Berge but he's shown versatility in his time in England (can effectively play in a 2 or a 3 in various roles) and is a pretty sure fire bet for any mid table PL team, Another PL team may want to take a chance on Traff as an understudy with the Uefa h...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:50 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
- Replies: 33
- Views: 1672
Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time
They have to or we are royally screwed. I'm caught between being completely baffled how much of a pigs ear they made of it in the summer and having faith in them to bounce back next season. Logic says we should but last summer does make me concerned - I just can't figure out how 'smart' people in K...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:50 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
- Replies: 33
- Views: 1672
Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time
inexperience, can you imagine the difference if we would have had a Ben Mee at the back, team of young lads thrown together in the biggest league in the world - suicide Yep. We said it all summer/pre season as well... Just a tinge bit more pragmatism (can still play good football) but with more of ...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:46 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
The problem with people suggesting Kompany is learning is if you asked Kompany …he has nothing to learn,,, but it’s the players who need to learn .. He always says we are a young team of players and seems to exonerate himself from this learning curve giving himself almost God like status It is a bi...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:17 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
- Replies: 33
- Views: 1672
Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time
The goals conceded just before half time/full time, along with the discipline record are tell tale signs of poor management tbh.
Odd occurrences can be put down to being coincidental but when it's a repeated, frequent pattern? Suggests that this is a problem.
Odd occurrences can be put down to being coincidental but when it's a repeated, frequent pattern? Suggests that this is a problem.
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:16 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3076
Re: The cost of playing out badly
It's more doing it every single time like forcing the team to play a certain way - I think a little bit more should freedom should be given to the players in terms of choosing when to play out and when not to... VK seems rigid in his approach to it. We have absolutely benefitted from playing out sev...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16657
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Doesn't work like that though does it.
People really need to stop judging players / teams through one off moments in games and instead start looking the entire match and the combined performance of the team.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
- Replies: 78
- Views: 5305
Re: Everton v Burnley - Player Ratings
Muric - 5
Assignon - 5
O’Shea - 5
Esteve - 7*
Taylor - 6
Bruun Larsen - 5
Cullen - 6
Berge - 7
Odobert - 5
Fofana - 4
Foster - 6
Vitinho - 5
Brownhill - 6
Masters of our own downfall. If we'd have managed to put one away before Muric made a cockup I reckon we'd have routed them.
Assignon - 5
O’Shea - 5
Esteve - 7*
Taylor - 6
Bruun Larsen - 5
Cullen - 6
Berge - 7
Odobert - 5
Fofana - 4
Foster - 6
Vitinho - 5
Brownhill - 6
Masters of our own downfall. If we'd have managed to put one away before Muric made a cockup I reckon we'd have routed them.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16657
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Surely, one of the key arguments put forward for Muric over Trafford was his superior distribution setting up the attacking play and creating chances for our strikers. Obviously didn’t work this afternoon and his moment of madness cost us the game. I mean, we were quite literally playing them off t...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: O'Shea ball control
- Replies: 48
- Views: 3441
Re: O'Shea ball control
Yep - it's the small details like that, that separate the good and the great players.
He definitely has a good long range pass on him but absolutely not suited to playing out through the lines with the sort of short & intricate passing/receiving ball skills needed.
He definitely has a good long range pass on him but absolutely not suited to playing out through the lines with the sort of short & intricate passing/receiving ball skills needed.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
What’s unforgivable for me is the two very winnable games Wolves and Everton today, he tinkers with a a winning system and players several players out of position. VK has to take responsibility for the last two games which could have saved our season. Bingo, Or if you're gonna do it At least play O...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
Seamus Coleman and Ashley Young with a combined age of 73 defending their right flank today - so what does VK do? Bring our fast, direct, talented winger inside and put out striker on the right.
WTF
WTF
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16657
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Barely turning up for the two biggest games of the season and playing our best striker outwide and our best winger through the middle is criminal tbh. Factor in money spent, regression shown in big signings, disciplinary records and this really has been one of the worst seasons we've ever had (pound...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16732
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
I think he needs to figure out if he want's to be a manager or a director of football - because in the modern game I really don 't think you can be both.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16657
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
That's the season.
Embarrassing from start to finish really. A royal **** up from VK and co.
Nowhere near good enough.
Embarrassing from start to finish really. A royal **** up from VK and co.
Nowhere near good enough.