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If it's any of the staunch remainers, Labour will drift into irrelevance (again). If I had the casting vote, I'd go for Lavery. He has a decent chance should RLB decide not to stand, and someone from the Corbyn wing simply has to stand, don't they? It would seem odd to hand Labour back to the centri...

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boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:57 pm
Brexit

Yeah, it was Brexit. In strong leave places, Labour were never going to get away with their Brexit policy.

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Jeremy Corbyn. Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing. Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna. Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney. Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament. Spoke alongside IRA terro...

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deanothedino wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:51 am
Corbyn is benefitting from a higher turnout and larger electorate too though.

He can surely take credit for the higher turnout. And even his 2019 share of the vote was higher than Brown and Miliband.

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...or for some perspective between New Labour v Corbyn Labour:

Blair 2005: votes 9,552,436
Brown 2010: votes 8,609,527
Miliband 2015: votes 9,347,273

Corbyn 2017: votes 12,878,460
Corbyn 2019: votes 10,269,076

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Volvoclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:26 pm
Why continue this discussion Labour is dead, deceased, gone to red heaven. It is a dead party.

1997 Tory seats: 165
2001 Tory seats: 166
2005 Tory seats: 198

(2019 Labour seats: 202)

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I didn't much care for New Labour either and the Iraq War was absolutely awful, showing Blair up in a terrible light. But the main thing we want is support for the most deprived sections of society in the form of proper education, a properly funded NHS, social care for the elderly, an end to the cr...

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Labour winning with a Blair type agenda. It depends what you are voting for, and what you want them to deliver. I thought New Labour delivered a hell of a lot. New schools, old schools refurbished. School supplies, people forget how kids were sharing dog eared text books, and the paint was peeling ...

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Greta serves to remind me just how irrelevant my own life is. This doesn't anger me, though.

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When will people like Corbyn and Momentum supporters like you learn? That Labour endured catastrophe in the general election because of the path they took. The stance on Brexit. The wish list manifesto. The incompentent leadership that wasn't credible and influenced by Momentum. To the extent that ...

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I was just looking at how far back the initial Brexit threads went cos I know a lot in the early days got deleted and there was a lot of posts from you with just a dot. Out of curiosity I had a look at the threads cos where people quoted you what you posted could still be seen. I cant remember the ...

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Genuine question IIBYW. Why in 2018 did you go back to your posts and views from 2017 and remove them all? Changing your mind and views is fine but not standing by your own comments seems a bit odd to me. I do this from time to time. I'm a secretive sort. When posts drop off the end of the messageb...

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Ringo, I've asked you the same question twice recently and you've obviously read it but you have chosen not to answer it. Why? I'll give you another chance. Despite winning the most seats, the vote split shows that less than 44% of the country wanted a Tory government and that 56% of the country di...

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https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... our-leader

If I was to place a bet I would go with Rebecca Long-Baily at 5/1, or Barry Gardiner at 100/1

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Labour 5

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(Assuming it's true:) He's 13. He needs shouting at, or be on the receiving end of a lot of disappointed shaking of heads, or a stern explanation as to why you just can't do that sort of thing. Police involved/lengthy bans/the rest of it? He's a child - a silly, naughty child.

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More on this: https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2019/12/tory-nhs-data-giveaway-revealed.html?m=1 Hmm. I don't know if the press will run with this, but it's just the sort of thing that might turn a Tory majority into a hung parliament. People can get a bit tetchy when personal health data is involved.

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Hi iibyw, as I've posted a few times on here, I've experienced my health challenges (as many others have). I'd love the NHS to make use of my data - and anyone else who signs up - to use it to find cures for others who are around after me. Yes, maybe my descendants will benefit, maybe it will also ...

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Possibly if whoever agrees to the idea & willingly goes ahead selling the information includes some sort of condition that a percentage goes towards the NHS. The important part I think you are missing crucially that this could further medical research & potentially serve to treat people more effect...

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One scheme is general health information and the other anonymised personal data so need need to opt into either. It looks like you can opt out of this one: https://digital.nhs.uk/services/national-data-opt-out and I would recommend any sane person to do this. (Actually, insane people might have eve...

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taio wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:05 pm
Don't see a problem with sharing anonymised data for research and development purposes to improve health so long as it is shared safely.

Perhaps the answer is for people like yourself to opt in to such a scheme?

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We’re now in real danger of getting a Johnson majority government that polls show there isn’t a majority of support for. This will be the most right wing government we’ve ever had, and likely take us out of the EU on WTO terms. With a majority there’s nothing to stop Johnson renaming on his promise...

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17,000 is still roughly the equivalent of a quarter of Burnley's population.

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Are you all waiting for the exit poll or what? That's not fair!

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There's not much point taking all this too seriously. Boris is going to win. We are going to end up leaving with a hard brexit (and quite possibly a 'no-deal' in 14 months). The hard reality is all us degree-educated lefty types lost. Corbyn is finished. Remain is finished. Ringo won. Little point a...

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As I said the main remedy there is tariffs. Other countries will impose tariffs to cancel out the state aid. The trouble with that being applied to a loss making company is you have to grant ever bigger subsidies to cancel out the tariffs and you end up in a vicious circle of tariffs and subsidies....

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The board back and a bit of Ringo to lighten up the day. First of all I see that you've not provided any backup for the various lies in your previous posts. I don't think anyone will be surprised by that. I've no idea why you keep banging on about who will own British Steel, there was no reference ...

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Boris has brexit. That’s it. Bugger all else Do people really care about brexit that much? PS the hospital I work at is one of these new hospital. It’s already been built! Over 100 years ago! It’s basically a refurb if an old hospital. Apparently that’s a new hospital. I’m going to tell my son I’m ...

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I’ve spoken to the guy (BJ not JC), looked in his eyes and seen his body language in a way we can only judge when they are looking at us and talking to us. I’m putting my trust in my own ability to read people, and I’d trust my life with that. We’ll see. Eh?? You're really into our Boris, aren't yo...

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As things stand Johnson is a sure thing to win this election, albeit with a minority gov. If he goes and makes a massive balls up in the Neil interview that might make a difference, although I feel Johnson could wave his manhood around during the interview and still get in power I honestly don't th...

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EVIL? Have you the first idea what "EVIL" means? We know evil - Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, that sort of evil. Is that sort of evil what you have in mind? Specifically, what in the Tory manifesto do you think qualifies for the epithet "evil"? Is chucking a frog on a campfire then cackling with glee as...

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See Corbyn is being dragged back into discussing anti-Semitism. Again.

Why doesn't he just say "Look, if you honestly think I'm a racist, then don't vote for me!" and be done with it. There's little to be gained by going over it over and over and over again.

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I've been fighting this dishwasher thing at our house for years. Wife and, over the years, 3 daughters all moaning they want one. Apart from the fact that they have one (me) you still have to half wash the bloody things before you put them in the dish washer (I am told) so what is the point? Two da...

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Cheers. I find this stuff intriguing. The internet has many conflicting views on what is and isn't possible. Briefly looking at the 4th railway package I can't find anything that specifically forbids nationalisation but it would only work if your nationalised service was the most competitive (you'd...

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EA978E32-31AE-4CB6-AEDA-0266048FB1BB.png That’s gunna hit lots of people hard. Now as I understand it you have to pay the tax before you can inherit the rest. You might just lose it all. Banks will not let money against an inheritance. Now if that’s wrong I am sure someone on here will know. How ca...

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I can see how that carve out would work for Luxembourg but not a larger territory. A serious question, how does TFL and the London underground being a publicly owned company get round this? They are actively expanding, taking over more train lines to add to the tube lines, but I've never seen anyth...

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Hi iibyw, who puts money into your pension? If you've got state employed defined benefit, then "good for you." However, if it's defined contribution, whether it is NEST or any other funds, it will be invested in shares. And, a Labour gov't taking 10% of shares will result in your pension fund value...

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What I’m saying is if Luxembourg can run their trains as a public service, then so can we. We know Germany legally provide three times more state aid than we do, and the French twice as much. There are ways of doing that t that don’t transgress EU regulation. Okay, I'll admit it. Luxembourg's commu...

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So are you arguing it’s all free??? No one pays for the 83billuon extra spending. Plus there’s a few promises not included in the costings., but we can ignore that as the single pensioners can pay extra council tax to pay for that. I've had a quick look at their costings, and it does look like it w...

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What I’m saying is if Luxembourg can run their trains as a public service, then so can we. We know Germany legally provide three times more state aid than we do, and the French twice as much. There are ways of doing that t that don’t transgress EU regulation. I can't tell if you've answered my ques...

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I have just read the Labour manifesto again and on the railways I don’t think they can deliver what’s in the manifesto after reading many different articles today. I've only just read it. They've actually given themselves a lot of wiggle room in their manifesto, saying things like "... bringing our...

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Another article that’s arguing that partial Nationalisation could be possible whilst quoting people who are arguing its more difficult. https://www.anothereurope.org/lets-be-clear-nationalisation-is-not-against-eu-law/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The conclusion I draw is that com...

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The government vernment of Luxembourg own ninety something percent of CFL, the Belgian and French governments owning the rest. With it being the EU, the same rules will apply as with a publicly owned U.K. rail, which presumably could be run as a public service should we wish - free at point of use ...

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The national rail company there is state owned, so I’d imagine the government provides it with money to pay for its upkeep in the absence of fares. State aid. Okay, you forced me to look it up. All cross border rail is operated by various European railway companies and is subject to competition. Th...

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Luxembourg are looking at making rail travel free. How have they sneaked that past the EU? There is scope. Haven't a clue. I haven't looked it up. I'm assuming they're planning to simply reimburse private rail companies the fees passengers would otherwise have paid. That's (sort of) allowed. That's...

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Nothing in the EU rules prevents nationalisation. I’ve told you this before, but you insist on making this false claim. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2019/11/would-labours-plans-nationalise-bt-openreach-be-legal-under-eu-rules-0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Not if ...

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Leaving the Labour manifesto out of it for a minute, because they're obviously not going to win anyway, what exactly should be done? If you hold the view that taxing large companies and rich folk more inevitably leads to economic ruin, what's the alternative? I'm assuming most people aren't wanderin...

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aggi wrote:There's a few on here who are a bit mealy mouthed about their racism but it's good to see that Top Claret doesn't try and hide the fact that he's a racist ****.

On a day to day basis, it's sometimes easy to forget it's still out there, isn't it?

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Automaton certainly will change the working landscape in some jobs,but machines can't replace humans in nursing and social care,and these are 2 of the sectors that have labour shortages,and are also reliant on EU nationals,if the government really want to reduce net migration then fine,but in that ...

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