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AndyClaret wrote:He's ruling out campaigning for no deal, not ruling it out completely.

I hope he is going to do what I thought he would i.e. fd deal in a WA but we will leave if the EU dont play ball. It's a vote winner all the way. He won't care much about Brexit anyway will he if he gets to be PM for 5 years.

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I’m not describing my position, but that of some MPs as I understand it. They support a reasonable and agreed WA - and in return for this get a second referendum on it. The alternative I would imagine is them just opposing it. Which would be better in your opinion? There are enough labour mps to se...

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Some MPs are talking about voting for such a deal, but only if it is then put to a second referendum (my understanding of what Benn meant). If this gets the deal over the line, why would you have a problem with it? Give over man - your embarrassing yourself. Just look how Lancaster is trying to be ...

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AndrewJB wrote:What’s wrong with taking it to the people? At least there’d be a defined leave to vote for or against.

Your not being serious are you? WE HAD A REFERENDUM AND SERVED A 50 AND WE WOULD HAVE A DEAL. Why would we not implement if it got thro the HOC?

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I can't believe what I have just heard from the normally moderate Hilary Benn on Radio 4. He said even if we get a deal it should be subject to a confirmatory referendum even if the HOC votes for that deal and if we don't we should do the same with May's deal. Ffing barmy or what.?What happened to t...

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Think about it, if you don’t want a ‘no deal’ government then you have to vote for a party that is offering to negotiate a deal. A BP MP will clearly vote for no deal whenever the opportunity arises. Of course they will in the unlikely event of them getting to vote on it. Anyway, there wouldn't be ...

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That's what I said, pretty much. These MPs are saying that they will either agree a deal on the EU's terms, or they will stay in the EU. I want to know which they prefer. Bearing in mind that the EU's terms have been rejected by the following parties: Conservative, Labour, Liberal, SNP, Plaid Cymru...

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Think about it. Burnley won't votd tory but will BP. That's i seat for brexit.

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Are you sure though? There are a lot of people in the Conservative Party who are so far down that road that they might well force it. Pretty sure. They are almost all on message atm playing hard hardball in a game with the EU. When an election comes common sense should prevail. Personally I would f...

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Sebastian Payne @SebastianEPayne At least 50 Conservative MPs including three cabinet ministers would revolt against a manifesto pledging to pursue no deal Brexit. MPs call the idea of the Tories advocating no deal “lunacy”, “madness” and “ludicrous”. There is no way it will say that. All BJ has to...

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Big day in the HOC Sat 19th Oct.
BBC News - Special sitting for MPs to decide Brexit future
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Meanwhile back in the real world...... As a leaver that worries me. We need a deal. The remain alliance in cohoots with the EU appear to think that they can get another referundum or even revoke. It's all gonna end nasty at this rate. The EU surely cannot dictate to the UK like it is trying and the...

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If Borris were to get a deal what exactly can he campaign on? As it currently stands it's "People v Parliament", but once we leave what next? Sorting phase 2 with a ftd. That what the fuss has been about with the trapstop i e. to give us a level playing field in the trade discussions with May we ha...

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The problem is not the hung Parliament it is the maverick Remain Tory rebels. I doubt they would be allowed to stand again. A Parliament re-elected with exactly the same numbers would likely allow Johnson and the DUP to win votes. If tories let the likes Grieve stand again then they deserve to fail.

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This is just a game of win or lose to you isn't it? This isn't a game. No its serious stuff, but I don't get why people don't see that Cummings is playing with the remainer HOC. We need a deal and every mp should be assisting in getting one. I can excuse the SNP because they don't see themselves as...

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Its the sort of thing traitors would do quite frankly. We don't survive as a country if we do this to allies, and quite frankly we deserve all we get if we go down this road If you lose doing this, then next time you flag waving lunatics go on about loyalty and love of country, I'll laugh in your f...

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How this from the government of national acrimony in waiting? Absolute shambles.

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Have the EU made plans on how they will replace the cash from us yet? They did some budgeting recently didn't they? Will all the smaller nations have to chip in a million a week or just the big players taking more on? Or are they just hoping to get enough money off us to see them right for a few ye...

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Spijed wrote:But we do control our laws!

Some yes. I mean all.

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There are no good solutions at the moment, that is the problem There will be once the EU accept that we are leaving. That can only be after GE. Personally I am prepared to risk no Brexit to get a free trade deal. It's not worth giving up what we already have for anything less than us controlling ou...

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Its in a position its put itself in summit. Its only chance is a deal, but its not got the numbers in its own ranks to offer a deal that might be acceptable to the EU. So its gambling the future of the country on what is left of the unity of the Conservative Party (again). That alone makes it compl...

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Its 100/0 they wouldn't. the only Brexit they will back is one that dumps us right in the **** (sadly) No Deal Brexit was beaten in 2017 in a GE, in numerous indicative votes and we even have a law against it, but they still refuse to give up on their dream Brexit. They have never compromised on th...

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After two years, it did. Again, the backstop is only a problem if the tech that the ERG says exist actually doesn't exist. Now we are back to the trust question. Why on earth should the EU trust the ERG and the PM based on their record? Because if BJ gets a majority at the GE we are leaving come wh...

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The Irish border can only be sorted if we accept that the customs border is in the Irish Sea. Even I know that is impossible for a Unionist and Conservative Party to accept, which is why May came up with the whole of the UK being in it. Thats how to sort this, but its getting people to understand t...

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Its a UK government promise, made on a negotiated deal that took us out of the EU. Those types of things matter Andy, even if you don't want to think they do. Its 100% the Brexit that possible and satisfied the referendum result. The EU knew before agreement was reached with May that, thanks to Gin...

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The leave rhetoric now seems to be just this, "well it won't be the disaster everyone thinks it's going to be" or "I'm tired of it let's just leave". I'm still waiting for a viable explanation of how leaving the EU will actually be a positive. I still haven't heard one good argument, but now it's r...

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Spijed wrote:If there is a substantial delay how is he going to stop.losing votes to Nigel Farage?

A lot easier than Corbyn.

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Its only lost because the Government specifically said they would obey the law. You really need to start to see the difference between what they are saying, and what they are actually doing. Its all talk for the election. They had said many times that they would. This was a stupid case as I said th...

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It was always likely to be the case once the court had received the written submission that the government intends to follow the law. Maybe so. I am loving the idea that someone appointed by a Scottish Court might actually send a letter requesting an extension and inviting to EU extend Brexit for a...

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Cherry case lost. However another case tomorrow on asking the Scottish Court to send the letter if BJ doesn't. That's a BJ win either way really.

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My only problem with that is that its shown time and time again that what that deal would involve wouldn't be universally accepted amongst leave voters. Sorry but it's moved on - it's a free trade deal as that is what the Tory manifesto will say, not least because that's the only way forward that h...

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I can't now I think the Tories have banked it all on a "No Deal" Brexit because that is what its support base wants. I suspect (like the Labour position) that they have overestimated the support for that. You are way off the mark re leave voters. Most want a deal but say that the would reluctantly ...

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Interesting thread on electoral polling v vote v Brexit - none of it remotely good for Labour https://twitter.com/benwansell/status/1180957240322342912" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Which is why there probably won't be a GE soon. Barry Gardiner on Sky this morning said that an alte...

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Suratclaret wrote:So which two members of Burnley's board would supporters want to sack?..assuming, of course, there would be any.

I am not interested in the detail. This is no business of Government, other than all employers should comply with national laws on wages etc.

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Spijed wrote:So I presume you are happy for football clubs to rip supporters off?

No but it is nothing to do with a government.

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So the BBC report is lies?

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Apparently. See link. Must be desperate for votes.

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FactualFrank wrote:Ahh thanks for that. My initial point of signing him remains though.

You missed out the word stupid near the end.

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FactualFrank wrote:Pointless debate though - we'll get our money back and didn't need him. It turned out to be a sound move overall.

You get today's happy clapper award for that conclusion and we won't get our money back - maybe £1m or 2 in Jan.

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My so called moaning has almost always been targeted at the blind spot in cm. A few year's ago it was about a similar blindspot re strikers.

If you are paying for insurance you are best to get the right sort of cover. Wells was Defacto 1star.

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summitclaret, taio summed it up very well further up. When we signed him, we had 3 fit forwards. Had one of those got injured, we no longer had a forward on the bench. It was, what, £5 million? Peanuts in today's crazy game. We were also never 100% certain of staying up, so had we gone down to the ...

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You're rarely in agreement with what the club does in any transfer window despite it being our most successful time in decades. Not true. I have always been supportive of bringing in young championship players like Tarks, Keane Taylor and Pope as cover initially. Also getting experience like Cork. ...

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No hindsight from me. I was very unhappy when we signed him as was made clear on here at the time.

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Well have you looked at his record. Where he has played and where he has got goals.

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A clever transfer at the time to cover any possible injuries. The fact it turned out that we didn't get injuries is irrelevant. There was never anything to suggest that he was good enough for the PL and still isn't He was a panic buy, an injured one at that, due to poor recruitment. He is a solid L...

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Barclay was pretty clear that we are prepared to discuss. I would be amazed if we hadn't built in areas for concessions and already cleared those with the DUP and ERG.

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A very assured performance from S Barclay on the AM Show just now. Be very interesting to see how the likes of Julie Cooper vote if there is a deal agreed with the EU. She will be in a very difficult position. It is absolutely clear that the people of Burnley want to leave. Does she vote no again an...

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There the bt 6 because they have played the mighty clarets.

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Erik has done well but Charlie proved today why he should be first choice. We have missed his acclerating to get the corner for our goal was what we have been missing. Welcome back CT.

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You can see from this link just what the remain alliance is doing to the national interest in that the EU may condition an extension on us paying more and giving something up on fishing rights. This is what happens when people interfere in a PM'S role to bring a deal for consideration. It's madness ...

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