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- Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
- Replies: 61
- Views: 3602
Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
Some people have never played Football Manager and it shows. Quite common for players to sign for clubs upon having agreed a certain amount of playing time conditions. Fairly well known isn't it that Bellingham turned down Man United and chose Dortmund because they promised him consistent first tea...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
- Replies: 61
- Views: 3602
Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
There is clearly something somewhere to explain the change from ever present to not even being on the bench. The club doesn't help speculation with their lack of info on such matters of injury, illness etc - always respecting player's right to privacy. Bloody club, respecting their employees’ right...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:07 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16583
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
Tbf Laws took over a squad that had its heart ripped out and basically admitted they downed tools. Kompany brought up a squad on a massive high and was backed in the transfer market and hasn't done any better. Laws was a bad appointment, but he performed roughly as you would expect, given the squad...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:02 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: O'Shea ball control
- Replies: 48
- Views: 3396
Re: O'Shea ball control
He’ll be a v good champ defender , if we keep Beyer, Taylor, & Muric ( unlikely but still ) we’d have a cracking back line . He’s a very decent CB , but no hint of Rolls Royce like a Keane or Collins , but does the basics very well, taste for goals and can pick a pass . It’s his short game which is...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
- Replies: 61
- Views: 3602
Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
Leaving aside the question raised by others about what the penalty for breaking this contractual agreement would be, how exactly would this be enforced? If a player believes they are physically fit enough to play, and the club disagrees, then who makes this call? I can’t for one minute believe that ...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Lets go again
- Replies: 21
- Views: 2296
Re: Lets go again
People acting all mardy like we were relegated today!!! We weren’t. We were relegated around November time…. It may have felt like it, but the reality is quite different. Beating say Bournemouth at home and winning an eminently winnable game against Everton yesterday would have left us joint on poi...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: O'Shea ball control
- Replies: 48
- Views: 3396
Re: O'Shea ball control
I like O’Shea. He’s a bit raw but he’s got a good mentality and aggression. There’s plenty of other players I’d be calling out before him.
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:57 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The cost of playing out badly
- Replies: 55
- Views: 3035
Re: The cost of playing out badly
And you're certainly the poster with the most bizarre use of cherry-picked stats to suit whatever you've got into your head. We are absolutely shite at defending and that's a huge reason we're going down with a whimper. Absolutely. Whenever I see this posters name there inevitably follows some real...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:44 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Penalty for Arsenal
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1395
Re: Penalty for Arsenal
Sorry to divert but not worth a new thread… what was the fuss about Wolves’ goal being disallowed? They have a player stood in an offside position directly in front of the goalkeeper with the sole intention of impeding the goalkeeper’s line of sight and ability to attempt a save. Then complain when ...
- Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:35 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: O'Shea ball control
- Replies: 48
- Views: 3396
Re: O'Shea ball control
Just seen this back on MOTD and not a denial of a goalscoring opportunity.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:06 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
I wouldn’t call the clearance off the line from a poor O’Shea back pass as a regulation save, the clearance stopped a clear goal Yes, all saves stop clear goals though, that’s what goalkeepers are there for. It was a good clearance but one I would expect him to make. He’s made better saves since co...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
How does that work then, if muric directly made an error that resulted in a goal he’s sole to blame. But when he directly stops a goal which wouldn’t have meant we wouldn’t have won’t the game he isn’t the reason we won the game. People can’t have it both ways There's no point keep going round in c...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:43 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
No.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:32 pmSo if muric is a fault for the lose today he’s the sole reason we beat Brentford then for stopping the one off the line?
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
But it’s easy to say that, there is no guarantee that we don’t concede in the second half, doesn’t need to be a debate, I just don’t think muric is the sole reason we lost the game Yes. Equally we don’t know that we wouldn’t have won 5-0 had Muric not made that mistake. But these are hypotheticals....
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:21 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
As I have said though we lost the game because we didn’t score not just because muric made an error. We beat Brentford 2-1 because we scored 2 goals not because muric stopped one of the line or made a 1on1 save from wissa Well yes, but if we didn’t concede the goal, and also didn’t score, we would ...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
In my opinion the error is just a factor in losing the game and the decision making to try the pass to start with is terrible, abit like when Trafford plays the ball to brownhill at palace when he had a simple pass to Taylor wide or when O’Shea played a criminal pass into Berge at wolves away. You ...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: RATE THE REF - Michael Oliver v Everton
- Replies: 22
- Views: 1451
Re: RATE THE REF - Michael Oliver v Everton
I think that Muric was already about 30 yards from his goal.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Muric DID NOT cost us the game today. It obviously did. I can't quite believe anyone can suggest otherwise. It is the clearest error leading to a goal that we have conceded all season. The bonkers thing is that there were 10 seconds of the half to play and he was trying to thread a ball through a c...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16583
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
this season has just felt like a massive wasted opportunity. They only had to pay attention to what Southampton did and how that ended to know that having a team with too much youth and inexperience was always going to end in relegation. Yep. And you’ve got to wonder what the mood and unity is with...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
- Replies: 33
- Views: 1667
Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time
Agreed, it was because a professional footballer couldn't control an easy pass along the ground. Yes, but mistakes happen. The problem is we are set up in such an over-exposed way that these mistakes are inevitably punished. In terms of standards, I’ve observed a real lack of work rate from a numbe...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16583
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
It was obvious in July what would happen this season, staggeringly inept summer transfer window. I'm just someone who thinks chopping and changing managers doesn't often end well and he deserves the same opportunity as Dyche does to bring the team back. Pressure is on now though, top two next seaso...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Chelsea and diving ...
- Replies: 23
- Views: 1687
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
- Replies: 33
- Views: 1667
Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time
Yeah Vinny is sloppy and has sloppy standards which is why he is at Gawthorpe 12-14 hours a day. It’s possible to work long hours and still fail to instil the correct discipline and standards in your team. Today’s red card wasn’t through a lack of discipline, but we have seen numerous examples of t...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Art of War
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1025
Re: The Art of War
We also play better when we go down to 10 men. That's why we have the most red cards in the PL as we need to go up and gear and catch the opposition by suprise. Good tactic. A concerning thing for me is how we don’t appear to get any worse when we go down to ten men. This suggests that the eleven o...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:49 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: O'Shea ball control
- Replies: 48
- Views: 3396
Re: O'Shea ball control
I thought at first, muric is clearly getting there but I think the argument is that if O’Shea doesn’t make the tackle McNeil doesn’t take the heavy touch and is clean through. If that’s at the other end I’m asking for a red card. Inconsistency still stands, Tarky should have been booked for a foul ...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16583
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
I'm talking about the same few people on here, I bet they lost their **** when we lost at home to QPR last season too. Maybe there are a few that go overboard, that’s fair enough. But it’s hard to argue that they’ve not got a point. This season has been an absolute disaster. We don’t seem to have d...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: O'Shea ball control
- Replies: 48
- Views: 3396
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
- Replies: 33
- Views: 1667
Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time
I sometimes wonder whether our players know how to interpret the digital match clock on the big screen. There’s a real lack of ability to adapt their game to the situation. See also the complete lack of urgency when trailing a game with a few minutes to go.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: O'Shea ball control
- Replies: 48
- Views: 3396
Re: O'Shea ball control
Should this have been a red card? I haven’t read the match thread so not sure if discussed there. But on the feed I watched it seemed like the ball was comfortably going to reach Muric before McNeil had a chance to get to it. I could be completely wrong given I only saw it from a limited angle.
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16583
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
The level of hysteria is bordering 'nutjob' status for some. I don’t think there’s much, if any hysteria to be fair. Our fans have been very patient this season considering we’ve won just 19 points from 32 games. Kompany is very lucky to still have credit in the bank from last season, and perhaps i...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16583
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
I do get the impression that he’s worried about Benson proving him wrong and his lack of game time has an element of self preservation. I think it’s much more likely that he feels Benson won’t offer enough over the 90 minutes, and he may be right. But of course there are many other players who don’...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 16583
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
The fact is we played well until the goal. We actually defended with aggression and were the only side looking to play football. I wasn’t concerned about a lack of first half chances as long as it was 0-0 as the game would open up in the second half. Obviously that goes out of the window as soon as ...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:04 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
- Replies: 494
- Views: 16426
Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
We really are our own worst enemies. Last week with a few seconds of the half left Fofana concedes possession cheaply when he could have held the ball or drawn a foul. And then this. Where’s the game management and intelligence. This game was there for the taking, and still is. But I suspect we won’...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Chelsea and diving ...
- Replies: 23
- Views: 1687
Re: Chelsea and diving ...
Best case you get a penalty and the opposition get a player sent off. Worst case the ref waves play on. There's no downside to diving and a considerable upside so it's no surprise that teams do it. Even worse is that VAR encourages diving, because if you dive and in the process of doing so the oppo...
- Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:29 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Double barrelled surnames.
- Replies: 73
- Views: 3176
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Double barrelled surnames.
- Replies: 73
- Views: 3176
Re: Double barrelled surnames.
I quite agree but there is, as seen on this thread, a peculiar kind of reactionary type eager to wrongly infer all kinds of meanings beyond the simple things being said. If you actually read the thread you will see that not a single person has wrongly inferred anything by you using the term Christi...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Shurandy Sambo
- Replies: 100
- Views: 8005
Re: Shurandy Sambo
We’ve already got a good right back. I’m surprised the board would agree anything at this stage. I would have expected some players to be sold beforehand. I can only assume if it’s correct that an agreement now was to avoid him being snapped up before the season end. Few million quid for Roberts an...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Shurandy Sambo
- Replies: 100
- Views: 8005
Re: Shurandy Sambo
Andy Sambo, no doubt.
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:52 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Luxury tax
- Replies: 39
- Views: 2745
Re: Luxury tax
Just push the big 6 clubs to the Euro super league that I’m sure the Saudi’s would love to bankroll & the prem would be as competitive as the championship & supported by fans. And what of supporters of the big 6 clubs? Do you think they all want their team to be pushed into a Euro super league? And...
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:34 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Cole Palmer
- Replies: 26
- Views: 3421
Re: Cole Palmer
Very good player. The best on the pitch against us at weekend. He doesn’t make England’s first eleven for me but he’s got to be worth a place in the squad - his penalty record makes that a no-brainer.
- Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:42 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12627
Re: Administration?
UK disclosure rules do not say that directors need to disclose remuneration that they have received from an affiliate company. The remuneration that directors disclose is only for remuneration from the company and its other group companies. What does have to be disclosed is monies paid by BFC to an...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12627
Re: Administration?
Rileybobs, please read my two posts, above. It is possible that a management fee paid to an affiliate entity would be paid to the directors of the affiliate entity. But, if those directors of the affiliate entity are also directors of the reporting entity any such payment would need to be included ...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12627
Re: Administration?
I didn't claim, I quoted the accounts that state it. I also said a management fee paid to an affiliate doesn't indicate that Alan Pace and other directors were paid that management fee. But it seems to me you’ve insinuated that Pace and co haven’t taken any remuneration, unless I’ve misunderstood y...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:12 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12627
Re: Administration?
It's not only possible, it's certain. The accounts say it was paid to an affiliate. But, just because Alan Pace is a director of the company providing management services doesn't mean that the fee was paid to Alan Pace or any other directors. Maybe it's, in part, pays for JJ Watt and Kealia Watt (a...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12627
Re: Administration?
Note 6: The Company had no employees, other than the directors, who received no remuneration during the year. The directors of Burnley FC Holdings Limited are considered to be the key management personnel of the Group. None of the directors received remuneration from the Group during the current or...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12627
Re: Administration?
Hi Ian, I don't think anyone has answered your question. The latest set of accounts very clearly state that none of the directors received any remuneration for their services. Equally, no dividends are being paid, so shareholders aren't taking any money out of the club. Who do you think BFC paid a ...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Luxury tax
- Replies: 39
- Views: 2745
Re: Luxury tax
That organisation needs to grow a pair.
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:47 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
- Replies: 268
- Views: 12627
Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Completely agree that this was a deliberate strategy to facilitate the purchase. It’s a very simplistic argument to say that Garlick ran the club “properly” and never took any remuneration or dividends. If he would have taken £7m or £8m dividend every season there would be outrage amongst many fans...
- Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:31 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Corners- what is going on
- Replies: 32
- Views: 2974
Re: Corners- what is going on
He's pretty well known. A performance analyst who seems interested in set piece routines. For us he's a performance analyst and set piece coach. https://thepfsa.co.uk/richard-bredice-best-and-worst/ You can see what he was trying to do. The players just failed to execute them well. If one came off ...
- Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The lack of minutes on the pitch for Benson
- Replies: 31
- Views: 2356
Re: The lack of minutes on the pitch for Benson
Initially when Bellamy was appointed, I was influenced by his "on the edge " playing style, and assumed he would let VK know his views. Nothing to suggest Bellamy is like this, and comes over now as shy and quiet. Sadly Mike Jackson appears the same. Maybe thats how VK likes it You’ve got absolutel...