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by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
Replies: 61
Views: 3602

Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.

Some people have never played Football Manager and it shows. Quite common for players to sign for clubs upon having agreed a certain amount of playing time conditions. Fairly well known isn't it that Bellingham turned down Man United and chose Dortmund because they promised him consistent first tea...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
Replies: 61
Views: 3602

Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.

There is clearly something somewhere to explain the change from ever present to not even being on the bench. The club doesn't help speculation with their lack of info on such matters of injury, illness etc - always respecting player's right to privacy. Bloody club, respecting their employees’ right...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16583

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

Tbf Laws took over a squad that had its heart ripped out and basically admitted they downed tools. Kompany brought up a squad on a massive high and was backed in the transfer market and hasn't done any better. Laws was a bad appointment, but he performed roughly as you would expect, given the squad...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O'Shea ball control
Replies: 48
Views: 3396

Re: O'Shea ball control

He’ll be a v good champ defender , if we keep Beyer, Taylor, & Muric ( unlikely but still ) we’d have a cracking back line . He’s a very decent CB , but no hint of Rolls Royce like a Keane or Collins , but does the basics very well, taste for goals and can pick a pass . It’s his short game which is...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
Replies: 61
Views: 3602

Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.

Leaving aside the question raised by others about what the penalty for breaking this contractual agreement would be, how exactly would this be enforced? If a player believes they are physically fit enough to play, and the club disagrees, then who makes this call? I can’t for one minute believe that ...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Lets go again
Replies: 21
Views: 2296

Re: Lets go again

People acting all mardy like we were relegated today!!! We weren’t. We were relegated around November time…. It may have felt like it, but the reality is quite different. Beating say Bournemouth at home and winning an eminently winnable game against Everton yesterday would have left us joint on poi...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O'Shea ball control
Replies: 48
Views: 3396

Re: O'Shea ball control

I like O’Shea. He’s a bit raw but he’s got a good mentality and aggression. There’s plenty of other players I’d be calling out before him.
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The cost of playing out badly
Replies: 55
Views: 3035

Re: The cost of playing out badly

And you're certainly the poster with the most bizarre use of cherry-picked stats to suit whatever you've got into your head. We are absolutely shite at defending and that's a huge reason we're going down with a whimper. Absolutely. Whenever I see this posters name there inevitably follows some real...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:44 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Penalty for Arsenal
Replies: 10
Views: 1395

Re: Penalty for Arsenal

Sorry to divert but not worth a new thread… what was the fuss about Wolves’ goal being disallowed? They have a player stood in an offside position directly in front of the goalkeeper with the sole intention of impeding the goalkeeper’s line of sight and ability to attempt a save. Then complain when ...
by Rileybobs
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O'Shea ball control
Replies: 48
Views: 3396

Re: O'Shea ball control

Just seen this back on MOTD and not a denial of a goalscoring opportunity.
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

I wouldn’t call the clearance off the line from a poor O’Shea back pass as a regulation save, the clearance stopped a clear goal Yes, all saves stop clear goals though, that’s what goalkeepers are there for. It was a good clearance but one I would expect him to make. He’s made better saves since co...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

How does that work then, if muric directly made an error that resulted in a goal he’s sole to blame. But when he directly stops a goal which wouldn’t have meant we wouldn’t have won’t the game he isn’t the reason we won the game. People can’t have it both ways There's no point keep going round in c...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:32 pm
So if muric is a fault for the lose today he’s the sole reason we beat Brentford then for stopping the one off the line?
No.
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

But it’s easy to say that, there is no guarantee that we don’t concede in the second half, doesn’t need to be a debate, I just don’t think muric is the sole reason we lost the game Yes. Equally we don’t know that we wouldn’t have won 5-0 had Muric not made that mistake. But these are hypotheticals....
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

As I have said though we lost the game because we didn’t score not just because muric made an error. We beat Brentford 2-1 because we scored 2 goals not because muric stopped one of the line or made a 1on1 save from wissa Well yes, but if we didn’t concede the goal, and also didn’t score, we would ...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

In my opinion the error is just a factor in losing the game and the decision making to try the pass to start with is terrible, abit like when Trafford plays the ball to brownhill at palace when he had a simple pass to Taylor wide or when O’Shea played a criminal pass into Berge at wolves away. You ...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RATE THE REF - Michael Oliver v Everton
Replies: 22
Views: 1451

Re: RATE THE REF - Michael Oliver v Everton

aggi wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:10 pm
I viewed the red card as harsh as I'm aware that Muric is generally pretty sharp and pretty committed at coming out for that kind of thing but if you based it on the average keeper then I can see why it was given.
I think that Muric was already about 30 yards from his goal.
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

Muric DID NOT cost us the game today. It obviously did. I can't quite believe anyone can suggest otherwise. It is the clearest error leading to a goal that we have conceded all season. The bonkers thing is that there were 10 seconds of the half to play and he was trying to thread a ball through a c...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16583

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

this season has just felt like a massive wasted opportunity. They only had to pay attention to what Southampton did and how that ended to know that having a team with too much youth and inexperience was always going to end in relegation. Yep. And you’ve got to wonder what the mood and unity is with...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
Replies: 33
Views: 1667

Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time

Agreed, it was because a professional footballer couldn't control an easy pass along the ground. Yes, but mistakes happen. The problem is we are set up in such an over-exposed way that these mistakes are inevitably punished. In terms of standards, I’ve observed a real lack of work rate from a numbe...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16583

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

It was obvious in July what would happen this season, staggeringly inept summer transfer window. I'm just someone who thinks chopping and changing managers doesn't often end well and he deserves the same opportunity as Dyche does to bring the team back. Pressure is on now though, top two next seaso...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Chelsea and diving ...
Replies: 23
Views: 1687

Re: Chelsea and diving ...

aggi wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:55 pm
Yep, you get a double chance of being rewarded.
I’m surprised Garner wasn’t awarded a penalty for doing this exact thing today.
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
Replies: 33
Views: 1667

Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time

Yeah Vinny is sloppy and has sloppy standards which is why he is at Gawthorpe 12-14 hours a day. It’s possible to work long hours and still fail to instil the correct discipline and standards in your team. Today’s red card wasn’t through a lack of discipline, but we have seen numerous examples of t...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Art of War
Replies: 7
Views: 1025

Re: The Art of War

We also play better when we go down to 10 men. That's why we have the most red cards in the PL as we need to go up and gear and catch the opposition by suprise. Good tactic. A concerning thing for me is how we don’t appear to get any worse when we go down to ten men. This suggests that the eleven o...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O'Shea ball control
Replies: 48
Views: 3396

Re: O'Shea ball control

I thought at first, muric is clearly getting there but I think the argument is that if O’Shea doesn’t make the tackle McNeil doesn’t take the heavy touch and is clean through. If that’s at the other end I’m asking for a red card. Inconsistency still stands, Tarky should have been booked for a foul ...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16583

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

I'm talking about the same few people on here, I bet they lost their **** when we lost at home to QPR last season too. Maybe there are a few that go overboard, that’s fair enough. But it’s hard to argue that they’ve not got a point. This season has been an absolute disaster. We don’t seem to have d...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O'Shea ball control
Replies: 48
Views: 3396

Re: O'Shea ball control

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:32 pm
Definite red for me.

Regardless of him being last man, I thought it was a high and dangerous lunge anyway.
Possibly. Was he sent off for that or denial of clear goalscoring opportunity though? The challenge didn’t look dangerous, although it was high.
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How many goals do we concede just before half time
Replies: 33
Views: 1667

Re: How many goals do we concede just before half time

I sometimes wonder whether our players know how to interpret the digital match clock on the big screen. There’s a real lack of ability to adapt their game to the situation. See also the complete lack of urgency when trailing a game with a few minutes to go.
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O'Shea ball control
Replies: 48
Views: 3396

Re: O'Shea ball control

Should this have been a red card? I haven’t read the match thread so not sure if discussed there. But on the feed I watched it seemed like the ball was comfortably going to reach Muric before McNeil had a chance to get to it. I could be completely wrong given I only saw it from a limited angle.
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16583

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

The level of hysteria is bordering 'nutjob' status for some. I don’t think there’s much, if any hysteria to be fair. Our fans have been very patient this season considering we’ve won just 19 points from 32 games. Kompany is very lucky to still have credit in the bank from last season, and perhaps i...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16583

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

I do get the impression that he’s worried about Benson proving him wrong and his lack of game time has an element of self preservation. I think it’s much more likely that he feels Benson won’t offer enough over the 90 minutes, and he may be right. But of course there are many other players who don’...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16583

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

The fact is we played well until the goal. We actually defended with aggression and were the only side looking to play football. I wasn’t concerned about a lack of first half chances as long as it was 0-0 as the game would open up in the second half. Obviously that goes out of the window as soon as ...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16426

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

We really are our own worst enemies. Last week with a few seconds of the half left Fofana concedes possession cheaply when he could have held the ball or drawn a foul. And then this. Where’s the game management and intelligence. This game was there for the taking, and still is. But I suspect we won’...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Chelsea and diving ...
Replies: 23
Views: 1687

Re: Chelsea and diving ...

Best case you get a penalty and the opposition get a player sent off. Worst case the ref waves play on. There's no downside to diving and a considerable upside so it's no surprise that teams do it. Even worse is that VAR encourages diving, because if you dive and in the process of doing so the oppo...
by Rileybobs
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Double barrelled surnames.
Replies: 73
Views: 3176

Re: Double barrelled surnames.

Rowls wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:25 am
You've wrongly inferred again here.

When I spoke of incorrect inferences I was referring to the accusation of "snootiness".
Rowls wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:25 am

Well I certainly caught a few with the blandest of baits in using "Christian name"
by Rileybobs
Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Double barrelled surnames.
Replies: 73
Views: 3176

Re: Double barrelled surnames.

I quite agree but there is, as seen on this thread, a peculiar kind of reactionary type eager to wrongly infer all kinds of meanings beyond the simple things being said. If you actually read the thread you will see that not a single person has wrongly inferred anything by you using the term Christi...
by Rileybobs
Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Shurandy Sambo
Replies: 100
Views: 8005

Re: Shurandy Sambo

We’ve already got a good right back. I’m surprised the board would agree anything at this stage. I would have expected some players to be sold beforehand. I can only assume if it’s correct that an agreement now was to avoid him being snapped up before the season end. Few million quid for Roberts an...
by Rileybobs
Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Shurandy Sambo
Replies: 100
Views: 8005

Re: Shurandy Sambo

Andy Sambo, no doubt.
by Rileybobs
Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Luxury tax
Replies: 39
Views: 2745

Re: Luxury tax

Just push the big 6 clubs to the Euro super league that I’m sure the Saudi’s would love to bankroll & the prem would be as competitive as the championship & supported by fans. And what of supporters of the big 6 clubs? Do you think they all want their team to be pushed into a Euro super league? And...
by Rileybobs
Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:34 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cole Palmer
Replies: 26
Views: 3421

Re: Cole Palmer

Very good player. The best on the pitch against us at weekend. He doesn’t make England’s first eleven for me but he’s got to be worth a place in the squad - his penalty record makes that a no-brainer.
by Rileybobs
Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12627

Re: Administration?

UK disclosure rules do not say that directors need to disclose remuneration that they have received from an affiliate company. The remuneration that directors disclose is only for remuneration from the company and its other group companies. What does have to be disclosed is monies paid by BFC to an...
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12627

Re: Administration?

Rileybobs, please read my two posts, above. It is possible that a management fee paid to an affiliate entity would be paid to the directors of the affiliate entity. But, if those directors of the affiliate entity are also directors of the reporting entity any such payment would need to be included ...
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12627

Re: Administration?

I didn't claim, I quoted the accounts that state it. I also said a management fee paid to an affiliate doesn't indicate that Alan Pace and other directors were paid that management fee. But it seems to me you’ve insinuated that Pace and co haven’t taken any remuneration, unless I’ve misunderstood y...
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12627

Re: Administration?

It's not only possible, it's certain. The accounts say it was paid to an affiliate. But, just because Alan Pace is a director of the company providing management services doesn't mean that the fee was paid to Alan Pace or any other directors. Maybe it's, in part, pays for JJ Watt and Kealia Watt (a...
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12627

Re: Administration?

Note 6: The Company had no employees, other than the directors, who received no remuneration during the year. The directors of Burnley FC Holdings Limited are considered to be the key management personnel of the Group. None of the directors received remuneration from the Group during the current or...
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12627

Re: Administration?

Hi Ian, I don't think anyone has answered your question. The latest set of accounts very clearly state that none of the directors received any remuneration for their services. Equally, no dividends are being paid, so shareholders aren't taking any money out of the club. Who do you think BFC paid a ...
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Luxury tax
Replies: 39
Views: 2745

Re: Luxury tax

That organisation needs to grow a pair.
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:47 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12627

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Completely agree that this was a deliberate strategy to facilitate the purchase. It’s a very simplistic argument to say that Garlick ran the club “properly” and never took any remuneration or dividends. If he would have taken £7m or £8m dividend every season there would be outrage amongst many fans...
by Rileybobs
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Corners- what is going on
Replies: 32
Views: 2974

Re: Corners- what is going on

He's pretty well known. A performance analyst who seems interested in set piece routines. For us he's a performance analyst and set piece coach. https://thepfsa.co.uk/richard-bredice-best-and-worst/ You can see what he was trying to do. The players just failed to execute them well. If one came off ...
by Rileybobs
Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The lack of minutes on the pitch for Benson
Replies: 31
Views: 2356

Re: The lack of minutes on the pitch for Benson

Initially when Bellamy was appointed, I was influenced by his "on the edge " playing style, and assumed he would let VK know his views. Nothing to suggest Bellamy is like this, and comes over now as shy and quiet. Sadly Mike Jackson appears the same. Maybe thats how VK likes it You’ve got absolutel...