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AndrewJB

Hi martin, I agree with you. JMcD was very careful with the words he was using - so he gave everyone the impression he wanted to give them. But, if he'd said that people earning less than £80k would pay more in income tax that, also, would have been accurate. Do you agree? If income tax rates are r...

AndrewJB

Let me get this right.. 1 - I give you an article which explains that nationalisation doesnt work and gives good reasoned rationale and examples. 2- I refer you back to times in this country which confirms nationalisation hasn't been a success. 3 -I agree that the NHS which is run on private and pu...

AndrewJB

People like me? What is that supposed to mean? Im highly supportive of the NHS. I am criticising the strategy of Labour to promise huge investment on the promise of a 'Robin Hood' type fantasy of robbing the rich to give to the poor. The premise that the rich will stick around and take it is laugha...

AndrewJB

The NHS is sacrosanct,that'll i'll grant you,which is why no government of whatever colour will ever move from a free at the point of delivery principle,as to do so would be electoral suicide. Regarding your BBC claim,the difference is i the consumer have an option whether to subscribe to SKY,on th...

AndrewJB

A good overview of nationalisation on here https://www.ft.com/content/0470ad62-f623-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00 The NHS relies on private firms to help deliver the free at point of use service. A great example of where public and private work well together. There are all too many examples of nationalisa...

AndrewJB

Of course it reduces crime, he wouldn't be able to get released and commit any more. The prison system has fell apart, far too overcrowded and costly. Means people not going to jail when they should and early release for most others. Look up the figures for yourself. There's no discernable pattern ...

AndrewJB

Detail and being realistic are not the same thing. I could write a load of detail on how we could become a champions league winning team - the task of actually carrying out and delivering what I expect would happen is a completely different thing. It took how long for Labour to start spending money...

AndrewJB

Nationalisation - the myth of great efficiency and productivity... Can't believe people actually buy this rubbish... Perhaps you can pony up some facts to support your argument? The NHS is far more efficient, and on a per patient basis about half as expensive as the US health care service - and it ...

AndrewJB

If a reduction of £60 billion of borrowing per year is so easily dismissed, you’re a Labour idealist. It’s no wonder you can’t see why the Corbyn credit card terrifies folk. I'm giving you what George Osborne said he would do - and let's not forget he said it was the most important task of the gove...

AndrewJB

Fair enough Erasmus if that's your view, at least you didn't claim moral superiority (fatboy), resort to silly name calling (martin) or fundamentally misrepresent my point (take a bow DA). Just to be clear, yes I regard it as a near certainty that the Labour leadership will make the current situati...

AndrewJB

Fair enough, google wasn’t my friend on this occasion. To keep it really simple for you, can you tell me if a deficit of £103 billion is higher or lower than £40m current deficit? https://fullfact.org/economy/did-george-osborne-promise-eliminate-deficit-year/ Osborne failed and failed and then fina...

AndrewJB

I thought you in particular were an advocate of people getting their facts correct. Incredible that some people think that debt should not have significantly increased given the huge deficits over the last decade and at the same time deplore public spending reductions. I apologise if my figures wer...

AndrewJB

What was the deficit, the Tories inherited from Labour again? I know you guys aren’t good with debt and all but it really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that whoever came after Labour couldn’t avoid increasing debt with the deficit they inherited. Or maybe you could explain how you get rid ...

AndrewJB

Thanks for that reply, Android, although I would point out that recent research concluded that 94% of those using food banks did so because of 'destitution', their word not mine. What you seem to be saying is that you think that the Labour Party's taxation plans would make a bad situation worse and...

AndrewJB

Complete denial of the fiscal **** show Labour left last time isn't a great look for you either. In fact, scratch that, it's par for the course for your average uber Labour supporter, only concerned with passing the debt onto the next generation. Look up Reginald Maudling’s note to Callaghan, to un...

AndrewJB

AndrewJB wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:49 pm
Will the NHS get any money for it if Amazon are selling it?

More on this: https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2019/1 ... d.html?m=1

AndrewJB

Clarets4me wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:47 pm
I have no problem with my data being sold on a " name deleted " basis, to any drug company. It will raise money for the NHS, or my GP's practice, and help the company concerned with medical research ....

Will the NHS get any money for it if Amazon are selling it?

AndrewJB

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 03636.html

Can’t afford to renationalise? We can’t afford not to.

AndrewJB

I suppose the worry for me isn't so much the data access in and of itself, but the deal that has been struck in the context of the wider story. That is, there's compelling argument to be made about the growing trend in the marketisation of healthcare. Whatever the justification, it's somewhat galli...

AndrewJB

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indy100.com/article/page-48-tory-manifesto-general-election-judiciary-courts-constitution-9234351%3famp On top of all his lies, the smears of opponents, the fake news, and evasion of scrutiny, now we know a Johnson government would change the law to prevent a judge c...

AndrewJB

Fair enough. What do you think is happening? Amazon can make a lot of money from this data - selling it off to pharmaceutical companies for research purposes, insurance companies, universities, and varying parts of the US health industry. Like most Tory privatisations, the majority of the profit wi...

AndrewJB

A Johnson majority government would have significant inward migration, high levels of gay rights, women’s rights etc. It would economically throw a lot of money into public services (by Tory standards). But according to AndrewJB it will be the most right wing government ever. The left are getting s...

AndrewJB

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:25 am
I thought his deal was oven ready? You can’t be saying Boris Johnson is lying can you?

I’ve never seen a more blatant liar during an election. And with such a poor manifesto I can’t say I understand the attraction some people have. I suppose it underlines the power of the billionaire-owned press.

AndrewJB

We’re now in real danger of getting a Johnson majority government that polls show there isn’t a majority of support for. This will be the most right wing government we’ve ever had, and likely take us out of the EU on WTO terms. With a majority there’s nothing to stop Johnson renaming on his promises...

AndrewJB

Probably best to admit you were wrong on this one Rick. Anybody who rapes a 14yr old girl and her 11yr old brother, while their mother is tied to the bed deserves to swing. Killing someone won’t undo the crimes they committed. Nor is there any evidence it actually reduces crime. The only reason I c...

AndrewJB

So much for getting Brexit done. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 35976.html

AndrewJB

He won by the simply fact that he didn’t totally cock it up and because Corbyn did nothing to really attack him. Corbyn needed last night to be big. It wasn’t. Corbyn might have edged the debate but it needed to be a massive win to make any difference. Well have to see how it goes, but on the whole...

AndrewJB

Do you honestly believe all that crap. It's completely unrealistic and the figures mentioned are mind blowing and would put our country in billions of pounds more debt even if they managed half the numbers quoted. Labour are the modern day Robin Hood, tax the rich to give to the poor which does not...

AndrewJB

Boris won last night purely on the fact he wasnt humiliated. If Corbyn was a strong leader he would have gone for Boris. He would have highlight all the lies. He should have focussed on that and less on his own policies. Boris had an easy ride. All he have to do is divert every question to brexit. ...

AndrewJB

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:51 am
How much money would you lose each year buddy. I'm sure we can all chip in on here to help you out.

What price is a person’s self worth?

AndrewJB

"Rage" !? You're clearly mistaking , my , admittedly, guilty pleasure of toying with a frustrated disciple of the church later day europhile. Seemingly want to indulge in some bizarre form of self-flagellation in a public space, for anger!! :lol: And he's been stewing in it for over 6 months! Deep ...

AndrewJB

I thought Johnson (after performing badly in some other interviews) smashed it out of the park tonight. No mistakes. He was only put into office (by the party who dislike him) to finish off Corbyn. I suspect he is on the home run now. Polls are starting to lengthen again, Yougov say he won tonight,...

AndrewJB

I think you are missing the point of democracy. At the European election, 35% of voters voted for Brexit or UKIP - that is, parties whose sole policy was Brexit now, deal or no deal. It's all very well to say that you believe they are wrong. But to say they are so very wrong that they musn't be all...

AndrewJB

£95 billion they are going to spend? That's per year. And you've left out the £56 billion on the WIFSPI women (Women in favour of state pensions inequality), the nationalisation costs of gas, electricity, water, rail, internet, air, land, sea), and all the other little extras they are dreaming up a...

AndrewJB

No they will be worse off. You really really need to read through the bullshit politicians tell you. You will pay more tax , you will be worse off if you work and earn a living to pay for the 95 billion they are going to spend. You will learn as get older. What a patronising post. Three million new...

AndrewJB

But Andrew & Rick who would campaign in Labour's 2nd referendum for the Labour Leave option? Not Corbyn, he has made that clear. I can't think of anyone else on the Labour front bench either, as they all seem to prefer remain. No Tory MPs would campaign for it, as they all now support Boris's deal,...

AndrewJB

That would have some validity if Labour weren't proposing to renegotiate and then campaign against their own deal,i can understand them advocating a softer brexit if that's the alternative they feel is best for the economy,but a referendum between Labour's planned close relationship and remaining i...

AndrewJB

That was the kind of point I was trying to make, and I think a realistic Labour leave is more feasible than a Tory hard brexit Tory hard Brexit means good times for the rich financiers betting against our economy, but very tough times for ordinary people. And such a straightforward soft Labour Brex...

AndrewJB

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:11 pm
Just about every person who earns over £20,000 will be paying more tax under Labour.

That pound in their pocket you talk about is not happening under Labour.

If they benefit to the tune of a few thousand a year net, do you think anyone would say no to paying more tax?

AndrewJB

I get that you are a Corbyn fan Rick and if you share his beliefs so be it. But I don't see how anyone could support Corbyn's Brexit proposals if they want Brexit? Given what we know about his proposed deal it would be a version of effectively remaining in all but name and without any say going for...

AndrewJB

Tories now promising post Brexit tax cuts (any guesses where those might go?), but they’ll struggle with funding their current pledges by taxing google and Facebook, because the US will oppose this via trade talks, and if Johnson wants to keep the NHS off the table he won’t have a lot of wriggle roo...

AndrewJB

If we could turn Ringo's rage into electricity, we could get rid of our coal fired power stations.

AndrewJB

Re Jeremy Corbyn and the IRA, what I don't get, if you are working for peace, why do you choose to invite IRA representatives to meet you in HoC a short time after the government, which you had always opposed, had been bombed by the IRA (yes, IRA/prov IRA/other IRA groups, whichever that was at the...

AndrewJB

Hi martin, I know, I didn't want to train as an accountant - and as I said I don't work as an accountant, haven't done for many years - but there were no openings when I left college to become a lion trainer. I'm still hoping, either lion trainer, or I can work with tigers and maybe other big cats....

AndrewJB

Your entitled to your opinion. He does not support terrorists. So why bring the Ira into Parliament days after the bombing of the Tory hotel. And have his monthly pamphlet say killing 4 Tories was a good start. What meet Hamas or hesbola. Your the one who cannot see what’s in front of your eyes. Bu...

AndrewJB

So after the IRA bombed the Tory hotel, his Labour lead pamphlet said . Try riding your bike now Norman. And also. What do call dead 4 dead Tories, A start. That’s the guy you say has fought for peace. You need to open your eyes. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Reve...

AndrewJB

Corbyn hates the armed forces, end of. He supports terrorists. He is a Londoner who has no idea of what people up north think or how they feel. Why because he is a multi millionaire who has never had to do a days work in his life. What a load of nonsense. You've had your head in the Daily Mail for ...

AndrewJB

Spijed wrote:Buzzfeed is reporting that the PM is threatening to review Channel 4's broadcasting licence after the ice sculpture stunt.

Johnson punching downwards as usual.

AndrewJB

Conservative candidates issued with a seventeen page briefing on how to attack rival parties, including many misleading claims - says the Guardian. I suppose it’s easier than trying to defend nine years of really **** performance, and repeating the meaningless; “let’s get Brexit done!”

AndrewJB

The comments Johnson wrote whilst being part of a wider article should never have been written by someone who ever wants to hold high office. Whether that article led to attacks on Muslim women is open to debate as the wider Islamophobia started much earlier than this. But sometimes you cannot defe...

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