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by Rileybobs
Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fan’s View (version 2)
Replies: 58
Views: 4054

Re: Fan’s View (version 2)

I’m sure I speak for every single Burnley fan when I say that they are both excellent articles in their own way.
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

It’s all conjecture really. But the only worry I think most people have is the idea that kompany may have some bias to players he’s brought in using his own business model . He may want to give them an extra chance to shine when maybe another coach wouldn’t. It’s pretty obvious really. Not sure why...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Hi Rileybobs, let's find some stuff we can all agree on. You say that for you it is important that the team is successful on the pitch. We can all agree on that. No fan wants to watch the team they support lose. We can extend that, we were all thrilled at the success of the team last season, 101 po...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Do you know what fees we’re getting/got as part of the loan deals? We’ve loaned him to 3 clubs so far Hoffenheim may want to sign him this summer If they did, that fee plus any loan fees could potentially cover what we paid for him Do we know what we paid for him? Transfer deals can include clauses...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Clubs buy players and loan them out to help them develop, because sitting on the bench doesn’t do that Yes there may well be agreements in regards to relegation, but there will be minimum sale fees built into those contracts Can’t see the club accepting a lesser fee clause So we keep the player and...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Mansfield claret wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:56 pm
Most clubs, including burnley don't normally sell players at a loss when players have long contracts, that won't change.
Really? Would you class not being able to sell them for a positive return so repeatedly loaning them out until their contract runs down making a loss?
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Very likely we’ll move players on at a loss? That’s based on what? Just a feeling? Not when they’re tied to contracts that are 3-4yrs in length still We can keep them, develop them further in the championship and come back up Obviously just a feeling as, like you, I can’t predict the future. Yet my...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Looking at our summer business on Transfermarkt (I know figures aren’t entirely accurate), but if we were to list all of our players this summer for sale I think Koleosho is the only player we would comfortably make a return on. Berge and O’Shea we could probably make a little on. Obviously, we’ve h...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Easy We’ve signed a number of young players with huge potential who’ve now got PL experience, which will stand them in good stead for the future Potential suitors won’t be overly fussed about the outcome of our season, they’ll be looking at the stats etc of the players they’re interested in buying ...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

What is the issue, Rileybobs? There's one thing we can all be certain of, Alan Pace and all the other ALK directors and the other VSP investors in the club won't have set things up with Vincent Kompany in a way that the club will lose out. The issue is the conflict of interest that exists from our ...
by Rileybobs
Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

It's possible. But realistically Kompany is a very rich man. He spent multiple seasons on an eight figure salary and he could do that again if his managerial career is successful and he ends up at Man City. Is he going to endanger his ambition in order to get a bit of commission on a player sale? H...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Was there a thread created about mud analytics in January during the window where you raised your concerns? Not that I know about, but there was a thread questioning it in January when the window was open which means that your claim that there was no thread questioning it in January when the window...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:21 pm
That isn’t a thread about it? That’s a mini discussion on ‘tonight’s football thread’ you started on 30th Jan, didn’t concern you enough earlier on to mention it in a stand alone thread?
So there was a thread in January when the transfer window was open where this was questioned. Cheers.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Riley literally explained about a player signed using his analytics company playing more minutes to up their value by playing them into form which could have financial gain for kompany if sold. People can say they aren’t comfortable, it’s just time timing of the concerns, it hasn’t been a running t...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Riley literally explained about a player signed using his analytics company playing more minutes to up their value by playing them into form which could have financial gain for kompany if sold. People can say they aren’t comfortable, it’s just time timing of the concerns, it hasn’t been a running t...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:50 pm
Spoken conversations yeah, bothered you last season did it?
Yes, spoken conversation, like with my mouth, in the vicinity of another human’s ear. And yes, it bothered me as soon as I heard about it.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

The Shire Claret wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:45 pm
Sean Bean will not be happy
He never is.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

TPClaret wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:42 pm
We might finish 19th on GD
A draw at Brammall Lane should clinch 19th spot.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:41 pm
on fire tonight Riley !
I’m here all night. Well actually I’m not as the missus is coming downstairs any minute so looks like I’ll be flicking over and missing the second half.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

Hard to see a way back for the Blades here.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:32 pm
My point has been proven that nobody hasn’t mentioned it until now, Lee Mooney was heavily involved last summer but nobody mentioned it then when we signed benson, zaroury and all the rest but now it’s a problem
I’ve mentioned it on here before. I’ve also had spoken conversations about it.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:25 pm
That’s four - this could be anything
Except 1, 2 or 3.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

Our game at Brammall Lane next month is shaping up to be a fascinating encounter. 2 teams going hell for leather doing everything they can to lose the game.

This is hilarious. We are bad, but this is a different level.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

Trafford at fault for all three so far.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Tonight’s Football

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:17 pm
the gap between the bottom and the top is gigantic when the top teams are bang at it
It goes without saying. But that statement doesn’t really encompass the whole bottom of the table. Certainly us and Sheff Utd. But the other teams near the bottom have all run Arsenal close from memory.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonight’s Football
Replies: 180
Views: 4177

Re: Blades v Gunners

Haha. This will get nasty. It’s schadenfreude I guess, small mercies.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:12 pm
Yep course it wouldn’t, nobody would bat an eye lid if we were comfortable
If you choose not to believe me then that’s up to you.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

It does make a difference I don’t see how you can’t see that it only doesn’t sit right with people the ‘supposed’ recruitment system because it’s failed, nobody at all would be talking about it had it gone well, it’s as simple as that really. It’s like people on another thread now questioning Alan ...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

League position is completely relevant, the threads to ‘suggest’ kompany could be gaining financially from signings are only coming to light due to our poor performance on the pitch. Had we won 2-0 at the weekend and sitting on 31 points like Bournemouth are there wouldn’t be a thread about the way...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27439

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

Yes and the same would apply there - if we have two players in their respective positions that do not perform to their levels that they did last season it would be a strange position to be in. Yes, sorry I wasn’t really suggesting otherwise. More making the point that being in the PFA champ team of...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

How does persisting with an out of form player help earn kompany commission. Just find it strange for anyone to suggest that any signing made wasn’t made for the best interests of Burnley. The same recruitment system used last summer didn’t have anyone questioning it but this season because it’s go...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 659
Views: 61729

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

I think it’s fair to say that cup games are also entirely different to league games. The underdog generally plays like they’ve got nothing to lose and I think quite often teams won’t have the same level of preparation. Throw in a few changes to the lineup, and in some cases almost an entirely differ...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Here’s a thought… We’re going down. So are Sheffield United and barring any points deductions saving them, so are Luton. Let’s assume they don’t use any data analysis in their recruitment. I’m left wondering, as a fan, which of those three clubs would I be more excited about watching next year? Bur...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27439

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

Worth noting that Connor Roberts and Josh Brownhill were both also in the PFA team of the year.
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

There’s no evidence we even use them so the specific terms of such an arrangement is a big jump to make. I’d say there’s more chance that Kompany and his whole team get a commission on all player sales which would negate or significantly mitigate any real conflict of interest in a similar arrangeme...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

MUD Analytics accounts are available on Companies House. The only thing is MUD files micro accounts, just a very limited balance sheet. Micro accounts aren't subject to audit. If people are interested, Vincent Kompany is the director of a number of limited companies that file accounts at Companies ...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Players have to be good enough and playing well to warrant being sold for him to earn commission. Yes of course, but it could lead to a manager signing lots of young attacking players in the hope that one or two pay off, as opposed to signing two or three safer bets in more critical positions. It c...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Wasn't managers receiving a cut of transfer sales profits "old school" football? Yes it has been known to happen in the past I believe, not sure that makes it right though. Again this is a clear conflict of interest. I wonder whether people would be as relaxed about this if Sam Allardyce was our ma...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

Maybe things will change but there is no indication at the moment that there are significant monies going through MUD. If you compare it to something like Agents' fees you'll see millions going out through there. A third party doing analytics isn't that unusual, although part owned by a manager is ...
by Rileybobs
Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mud analytics
Replies: 273
Views: 7935

Re: Mud analytics

It's obviously a conflict of interest, it's literally the dictionary definition of it. That's not to say that Kompany is actually exercising this interest at the detriment of the club.
by Rileybobs
Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27439

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

bumba wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:07 pm
What about him taking his time like we're 4-0 up?
Him playing in a way he’s clearly instructed to play is also not a reason to boo him. But obviously booing his name as the teams are announced is just the behaviour of a low life.
by Rileybobs
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27439

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

bumba wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:50 pm
It is when there is no logical reason to pay big money for a bang average keeper who hasn't played above league 1 which shows in every performance VK picks him for.
That is no reason to abuse Trafford.
by Rileybobs
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27439

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

I've nothing but sympathy for him now, it's a disgrace he is still being picked. His body demeanor heading towards the Fishwick before kick off said a lot, head down didn't dare look at the stand, didn't even enter his area because he wanted to stay clear he looked totally despondent. Never mind ru...
by Rileybobs
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27439

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

StayingDown4Ever wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:43 pm
Did they chant Muric’s name just after that pass Trafford made which nearly cost us (another) goal?
Not that I heard, but that would have been humiliating for them.
by Rileybobs
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27439

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

Very disappointed to hear people booing Trafford’s name as the lineups were being announced before the game. Utter morons.
by Rileybobs
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonights Football
Replies: 255
Views: 9753

Re: Tonights Football

Did Berge, Koleosho, o'Shea, Foster, Odobert, Assignon, Esteve not improve our team or at the very least our squad? I think you’re missing my point. Obviously some of our signings have improved the squad, but we signed too many players in some areas of the pitch whilst leaving more urgent positions...
by Rileybobs
Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:41 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zaroury
Replies: 31
Views: 3356

Re: Zaroury

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:09 am
Koleosho looked good but I'm not sure what on earth you've seen from Odobert since he scored at Fulham before Christmas to suggest he's offering more at present.
Odobert should be dropped. A complete luxury that we can’t afford currently.
by Rileybobs
Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?
Replies: 180
Views: 6696

Re: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?

Why not? Two established former pros who have played at the highest level? They wouldn’t be talking football on the radio if they didn’t know their subject matter. There is definitely an agenda on here around Talksport. Dean Saunders is an absolutely awful pundit, like seriously dreadful. No agenda...
by Rileybobs
Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: No Nay Never...
Replies: 29
Views: 2504

Re: No Nay Never...

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:17 pm
My son sings Basket Rovers. As he's only 7, I've not corrected him.
It was my lad's first season last season and he thought it was 'will we play Bastien Roberts'.
by Rileybobs
Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?
Replies: 180
Views: 6696

Re: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?

Andy Townsend, Dean Saunders, Darren Bent, Danny Murphy Jamie O’Hara et.al. Yes these are all on Talksport which is not really a respected radio station for the highbrow elite on here. However, all of them have said our goalkeeper is not up to scratch on several occasions. It's never a good idea to...