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- Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:57 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Fan’s View (version 2)
- Replies: 58
- Views: 4054
Re: Fan’s View (version 2)
I’m sure I speak for every single Burnley fan when I say that they are both excellent articles in their own way.
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
It’s all conjecture really. But the only worry I think most people have is the idea that kompany may have some bias to players he’s brought in using his own business model . He may want to give them an extra chance to shine when maybe another coach wouldn’t. It’s pretty obvious really. Not sure why...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Hi Rileybobs, let's find some stuff we can all agree on. You say that for you it is important that the team is successful on the pitch. We can all agree on that. No fan wants to watch the team they support lose. We can extend that, we were all thrilled at the success of the team last season, 101 po...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Do you know what fees we’re getting/got as part of the loan deals? We’ve loaned him to 3 clubs so far Hoffenheim may want to sign him this summer If they did, that fee plus any loan fees could potentially cover what we paid for him Do we know what we paid for him? Transfer deals can include clauses...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:06 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Clubs buy players and loan them out to help them develop, because sitting on the bench doesn’t do that Yes there may well be agreements in regards to relegation, but there will be minimum sale fees built into those contracts Can’t see the club accepting a lesser fee clause So we keep the player and...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:04 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Really? Would you class not being able to sell them for a positive return so repeatedly loaning them out until their contract runs down making a loss?Mansfield claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:56 pmMost clubs, including burnley don't normally sell players at a loss when players have long contracts, that won't change.
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Very likely we’ll move players on at a loss? That’s based on what? Just a feeling? Not when they’re tied to contracts that are 3-4yrs in length still We can keep them, develop them further in the championship and come back up Obviously just a feeling as, like you, I can’t predict the future. Yet my...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Looking at our summer business on Transfermarkt (I know figures aren’t entirely accurate), but if we were to list all of our players this summer for sale I think Koleosho is the only player we would comfortably make a return on. Berge and O’Shea we could probably make a little on. Obviously, we’ve h...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Easy We’ve signed a number of young players with huge potential who’ve now got PL experience, which will stand them in good stead for the future Potential suitors won’t be overly fussed about the outcome of our season, they’ll be looking at the stats etc of the players they’re interested in buying ...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
What is the issue, Rileybobs? There's one thing we can all be certain of, Alan Pace and all the other ALK directors and the other VSP investors in the club won't have set things up with Vincent Kompany in a way that the club will lose out. The issue is the conflict of interest that exists from our ...
- Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:40 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
It's possible. But realistically Kompany is a very rich man. He spent multiple seasons on an eight figure salary and he could do that again if his managerial career is successful and he ends up at Man City. Is he going to endanger his ambition in order to get a bit of commission on a player sale? H...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Was there a thread created about mud analytics in January during the window where you raised your concerns? Not that I know about, but there was a thread questioning it in January when the window was open which means that your claim that there was no thread questioning it in January when the window...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
So there was a thread in January when the transfer window was open where this was questioned. Cheers.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:21 pmThat isn’t a thread about it? That’s a mini discussion on ‘tonight’s football thread’ you started on 30th Jan, didn’t concern you enough earlier on to mention it in a stand alone thread?
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Riley literally explained about a player signed using his analytics company playing more minutes to up their value by playing them into form which could have financial gain for kompany if sold. People can say they aren’t comfortable, it’s just time timing of the concerns, it hasn’t been a running t...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Riley literally explained about a player signed using his analytics company playing more minutes to up their value by playing them into form which could have financial gain for kompany if sold. People can say they aren’t comfortable, it’s just time timing of the concerns, it hasn’t been a running t...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Yes, spoken conversation, like with my mouth, in the vicinity of another human’s ear. And yes, it bothered me as soon as I heard about it.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:50 pmSpoken conversations yeah, bothered you last season did it?
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:46 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Tonight’s Football
He never is.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:43 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Tonight’s Football
I’m here all night. Well actually I’m not as the missus is coming downstairs any minute so looks like I’ll be flicking over and missing the second half.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:40 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Tonight’s Football
Hard to see a way back for the Blades here.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:38 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
I’ve mentioned it on here before. I’ve also had spoken conversations about it.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:32 pmMy point has been proven that nobody hasn’t mentioned it until now, Lee Mooney was heavily involved last summer but nobody mentioned it then when we signed benson, zaroury and all the rest but now it’s a problem
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:26 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Tonight’s Football
Except 1, 2 or 3.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Tonight’s Football
Our game at Brammall Lane next month is shaping up to be a fascinating encounter. 2 teams going hell for leather doing everything they can to lose the game.
This is hilarious. We are bad, but this is a different level.
This is hilarious. We are bad, but this is a different level.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Tonight’s Football
Trafford at fault for all three so far.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Tonight’s Football
It goes without saying. But that statement doesn’t really encompass the whole bottom of the table. Certainly us and Sheff Utd. But the other teams near the bottom have all run Arsenal close from memory.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:17 pmthe gap between the bottom and the top is gigantic when the top teams are bang at it
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonight’s Football
- Replies: 180
- Views: 4177
Re: Blades v Gunners
Haha. This will get nasty. It’s schadenfreude I guess, small mercies.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
If you choose not to believe me then that’s up to you.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:12 pmYep course it wouldn’t, nobody would bat an eye lid if we were comfortable
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
It does make a difference I don’t see how you can’t see that it only doesn’t sit right with people the ‘supposed’ recruitment system because it’s failed, nobody at all would be talking about it had it gone well, it’s as simple as that really. It’s like people on another thread now questioning Alan ...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
League position is completely relevant, the threads to ‘suggest’ kompany could be gaining financially from signings are only coming to light due to our poor performance on the pitch. Had we won 2-0 at the weekend and sitting on 31 points like Bournemouth are there wouldn’t be a thread about the way...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
- Replies: 721
- Views: 27439
Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Yes and the same would apply there - if we have two players in their respective positions that do not perform to their levels that they did last season it would be a strange position to be in. Yes, sorry I wasn’t really suggesting otherwise. More making the point that being in the PFA champ team of...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
How does persisting with an out of form player help earn kompany commission. Just find it strange for anyone to suggest that any signing made wasn’t made for the best interests of Burnley. The same recruitment system used last summer didn’t have anyone questioning it but this season because it’s go...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 659
- Views: 61729
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I think it’s fair to say that cup games are also entirely different to league games. The underdog generally plays like they’ve got nothing to lose and I think quite often teams won’t have the same level of preparation. Throw in a few changes to the lineup, and in some cases almost an entirely differ...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Here’s a thought… We’re going down. So are Sheffield United and barring any points deductions saving them, so are Luton. Let’s assume they don’t use any data analysis in their recruitment. I’m left wondering, as a fan, which of those three clubs would I be more excited about watching next year? Bur...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
- Replies: 721
- Views: 27439
Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Worth noting that Connor Roberts and Josh Brownhill were both also in the PFA team of the year.
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
There’s no evidence we even use them so the specific terms of such an arrangement is a big jump to make. I’d say there’s more chance that Kompany and his whole team get a commission on all player sales which would negate or significantly mitigate any real conflict of interest in a similar arrangeme...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
MUD Analytics accounts are available on Companies House. The only thing is MUD files micro accounts, just a very limited balance sheet. Micro accounts aren't subject to audit. If people are interested, Vincent Kompany is the director of a number of limited companies that file accounts at Companies ...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Players have to be good enough and playing well to warrant being sold for him to earn commission. Yes of course, but it could lead to a manager signing lots of young attacking players in the hope that one or two pay off, as opposed to signing two or three safer bets in more critical positions. It c...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Wasn't managers receiving a cut of transfer sales profits "old school" football? Yes it has been known to happen in the past I believe, not sure that makes it right though. Again this is a clear conflict of interest. I wonder whether people would be as relaxed about this if Sam Allardyce was our ma...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
Maybe things will change but there is no indication at the moment that there are significant monies going through MUD. If you compare it to something like Agents' fees you'll see millions going out through there. A third party doing analytics isn't that unusual, although part owned by a manager is ...
- Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Mud analytics
- Replies: 273
- Views: 7935
Re: Mud analytics
It's obviously a conflict of interest, it's literally the dictionary definition of it. That's not to say that Kompany is actually exercising this interest at the detriment of the club.
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
- Replies: 721
- Views: 27439
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:53 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
- Replies: 721
- Views: 27439
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
- Replies: 721
- Views: 27439
Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
I've nothing but sympathy for him now, it's a disgrace he is still being picked. His body demeanor heading towards the Fishwick before kick off said a lot, head down didn't dare look at the stand, didn't even enter his area because he wanted to stay clear he looked totally despondent. Never mind ru...
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
- Replies: 721
- Views: 27439
Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Not that I heard, but that would have been humiliating for them.StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:43 pmDid they chant Muric’s name just after that pass Trafford made which nearly cost us (another) goal?
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
- Replies: 721
- Views: 27439
Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Very disappointed to hear people booing Trafford’s name as the lineups were being announced before the game. Utter morons.
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Tonights Football
- Replies: 255
- Views: 9753
Re: Tonights Football
Did Berge, Koleosho, o'Shea, Foster, Odobert, Assignon, Esteve not improve our team or at the very least our squad? I think you’re missing my point. Obviously some of our signings have improved the squad, but we signed too many players in some areas of the pitch whilst leaving more urgent positions...
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Zaroury
- Replies: 31
- Views: 3356
Re: Zaroury
Odobert should be dropped. A complete luxury that we can’t afford currently.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:09 amKoleosho looked good but I'm not sure what on earth you've seen from Odobert since he scored at Fulham before Christmas to suggest he's offering more at present.
- Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:59 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?
- Replies: 180
- Views: 6696
Re: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?
Why not? Two established former pros who have played at the highest level? They wouldn’t be talking football on the radio if they didn’t know their subject matter. There is definitely an agenda on here around Talksport. Dean Saunders is an absolutely awful pundit, like seriously dreadful. No agenda...
- Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: No Nay Never...
- Replies: 29
- Views: 2504
Re: No Nay Never...
It was my lad's first season last season and he thought it was 'will we play Bastien Roberts'.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:17 pmMy son sings Basket Rovers. As he's only 7, I've not corrected him.
- Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?
- Replies: 180
- Views: 6696
Re: Muric - Surely has to start on Sunday ?
Andy Townsend, Dean Saunders, Darren Bent, Danny Murphy Jamie O’Hara et.al. Yes these are all on Talksport which is not really a respected radio station for the highbrow elite on here. However, all of them have said our goalkeeper is not up to scratch on several occasions. It's never a good idea to...