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Chester.....Any sign of an amended version of Football Shorts part 2 ?

The original hardly shows Burnley in a good (or fair) light.

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I’m sure there was a copy of that picture and a brief report framed and hanging on the wall at the Turf Indeed there was, Burnley Ace, in fact it might still be there. It's a limited edition print of Tommy's wonder goal with just 100 in total. I consider myself very fortunate to own No.38 of 100. U...

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A bit more of the EBITDA differences between Swiss Ramble and The esk. Someone yesterday kindly sent me a copy of the Liverpool financial accounts for last year. They had an Operating Profit of just £572k, but Depreciation, Amortisation & Impairment costs of £122.9m. So an EBITDA at Anfield of £124m...

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There are some truly strange sounding stories going round about Premier League football finance at the moment - following news that Man United have accessed £140m of their £150m credit facility to add to their remaining £90m of cash (as of end of March - remember they spend £30m+ a month on wages a...

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Arsenal, Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Southampton, Tottenham, Watford, West Ham and Wolves are very different in the EBITDA to @SwissRamble Not suggesting for one minute this is the reason behind the difference, but perhaps worth consideration.......... Swi...

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Just further checked Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal and they are all the same as shown in The esk's graph.

So it appears the data problem is going to be unique to Burnley.

Just had to be, didn't it?!

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Thanks for that Roy I think Paul has explained his data issues, he sounds. understandably. disappointed that he trusted data he was given. Indeed, he must be concerned. I wondered if the problem was unique to his Burnley data and so checked the Wage/Turnover ratio of three other PL clubs at random....

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Also intrigued by the chart showing the Age profile of our squad and particularly the 18-23 range at 8%.

Not contesting that figure at all but it's markedly different to any other PL club.

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Paul, I almost certainly do not have access to the same information as you, or financial knowledge, but I was struck by the differences in EBITDA in your table and this from @SwissRamble - are there different ways of calculating this? https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1255385916845314048/photo...

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I fully understand that, and in Graph 1 he has Wages at £103m and the Wages/Turnover ratio at some 74%. When in fact the figures are £86.6m and 63%. Then the graph looks completely different. Similarly in the graph for scenario 1, same Wage bill with all Revenue minus Matchday Income or £86.6m and ...

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I fully understand that, and in Graph 1 he has Wages at £103m and the Wages/Turnover ratio at some 74%. When in fact the figures are £86.6m and 63%. Then the graph looks completely different. In the Staff costs in millions chart he originally had the cost at £103m before amending that figure to £87m.

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Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Mon May 25, 2020 8:49 pm
Roy the Graphs display wage value (£) on the vertical and % of turnover on the horizontal

I fully understand that, and in Graph 1 he has Wages at £103m and the Wages/Turnover ratio at some 74%.

When in fact the figures are £86.6m and 63%. Then the graph looks completely different.

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It's here!! the much awaited Football Shorts part 2 from new board member The ESK https://theesk.org/2020/05/25/football-shorts-part-ii/ Paul you may need to revisit some of those figures for Burnley, they look overstated at least in that first graph Oh dear!......And after all the praise heaped on...

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The Northampton centre half was Terry Branson who lived a few houses away from my cousins, no big posh houses for footballers in those days and he was not the only one who was given the run around by Willie Irvine. The Northampton substitute in the programme was Graham Carr, a centre half who went ...

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A few bits of loosely related and useless information. Northampton had someone called Best wearing No.7 that day, but no, it wasn't him. However George Best played an FA Cup tie against Northampton a couple of seasons later and scored 6 goals in an 8-2 win. In that 1965/66 season a certain John Conn...

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Interesting theories, Chester. One thing's for sure the club will never confirm the method they use for calculating the merit payments, so we'll continue to remain in the dark. So, what proportion of the increase in Wage bill from '18 to '19 do you attribute to the increase in numbers of bodies on t...

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Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Sat May 23, 2020 8:46 pm
That’s true 28 consecutive penalties, not sure how that compares to Alexander? and he played (and scored) in the Anglo-Italian cup final for Swindon who beat Roma 4-0 in the home leg!!

And yet he only ever took penalties for Burnley.......incredible that other clubs didn't trust him to take them.

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That pesky Peter Noble, if he's not scoring for us he scores against us!!

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A bit more on our Wage bill to Jun.'19 of £86.6m. That represented an increase of £5m from £81.6m on the previous financial year and I doubt anyone outside of the Club would have predicted such an increase. According to Sean almost one third of the £81.6m to Jun.'18 covered incentive bonuses for fi...

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I have been giving it a lot of thought Roy and I am thinking on a post about it all in the next couple of days. I thought the Manchester United quarterly update was interesting because they where telling the stock market that they were only expecting to lose £20m of Premier League TV Revenue this s...

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The latest blog from Vysyble looks at the financial impact of relegation from the Premier League for the current bottom 6 clubs - the title - a reference to the film Jaws - says it all "You're gonna need a bigger boat" https://vysyble.com/blog This is a very interesting piece particularly in the as...

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that must have been the most successful kilmarnock team of all time. Probably their finest hour was in the European Fairs Cup in 1966/67 when they reached the semi-final before losing to Leeds. By coincidence we were also in that year's competition going out in the quarter-final to Eintracht Frankf...

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@SwissRamble has a look at the 2018/19 accounts of the much admired Brentford https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1263725050475220992 No major surprises there from Brentford, they have developed a very positive reputation in recent seasons for operating at sensible levels. If only many other clu...

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On second thoughts I'd go for Waldron, Fletcher, Cliff, Casper & Hankin.

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Evening Clarets - for what it is worth I am "the esk". Life long Evertonian, "the esk" is a nickname from school, my Great Grandfather played in the first game at Goodison in 1892, hence me being an Evertonian. Thank you for your kind comments - for those of a certain age, Martin Dobson was one of ...

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Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Wed May 20, 2020 9:29 pm
I seem to have missed that Roy

just looked

if that really is Paul - he is more than welcome, I have a lot of time for the work he puts into his website

I'm sure it has to be.

Now we await a post on this thread.

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Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Wed May 20, 2020 8:57 pm
Next to Hankin....Casper ......then ???

Frank Casper it is, but then who's the player at this end?

Eddie Cliff, perhaps?

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Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Wed May 20, 2020 8:50 pm
Is that Tony Morley to Fletcher's left?

No, for me, that's Ray Hankin.

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Chester, have you by any chance spotted the name of the newest member of this messageboard today?

Can't just be coincidence, surely, can it?

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Brilliant Steve, what a great side that was.

Six of those players played in all 42 league games that season, including that young looking Keith Newton who must have been 32 years old at the time. Fantastic team, fantastic season.

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I love that thread,there is still 100s of pictures out there to put on,ive enjoyed looking at it immensely I hope it continues for many years with everyone adding old and new pictures to it,we have a fantastic history we need to celebrate it. Never let it die, Steve, you created something there tha...

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Think it was Vegas Claret last week who suggested the 'Burnley FC in Pictures' thread should be transferred to a sticky so that we never lose it's content. Agree with him 100%, had a browse through all the pages the other night and it's a remarkable record of the history of our great Club.

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Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Tue May 19, 2020 7:16 pm
Have you read that thread some of the posts are about three weeks long

Steve, there's room for all manner of threads on this board, as you well know. Your 'Burnley FC in Pictures' and Chester's Magic Money Tree are two of finest examples on this forum.

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Wow - it is going to happen before the season ends - CAS confirm the date for Man City's appeal against it's 2 year ban, 8th- 10th June https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/11991110/manchester-citys-appeal-against-two-year-ban-from-european-football-set-for-june-8-10 Is there even the remo...

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I suspect, as you say, that end of season bonuses will remain unaffected as being yet more evidence that we operate in a sensible and honest manner no matter what the circumstances. This is the bit that hits home hardest to me that arguably the best-run in the Premier League can potentially be broug...

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The Esk with part 1 of a series looking at the future of Premier League football finances - a lengthy but worthwhile read https://theesk.org/2020/05/17/football-shorts-part-1/ Chester, of all the hundreds of linked articles since you started this thread, this one by 'The Esk' is quite probably the ...

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mdd2 wrote: ↑
Mon May 18, 2020 10:35 pm
Didn't Di Stefano get a hat trick?

He did, and Puskas scored the other four.

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Enty1974 wrote: ↑
Mon May 18, 2020 10:20 pm
How many fans?

Probably as many again locked outside.

Hard to believe but within a couple of months of that European Cup Final, little old Burnley were in the draw for the same competition of the following season. First Reims and then Hamburg, we managed to avoid Real Madrid.

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Sensational football match at Hampden Park in front of 127,621 adoring Scottish fans. Because the likes of Di Stefano and Puskas invariably grabbed the headlines, a player like Gento (who himself was world class) was often overshadowed. But our Brian Pilkington was influenced greatly by their left-w...

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@SwissRamble looks at the 2018/19 financial results of Reading - a place of fond memories for clarets and Martin Paterson - also the official home of the EFL's most bonkers wages at close to 200% of revenue (though that may be because we do not get those details in Salford's accounts) https://twitt...

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How key was the decision not to play the postponed league game against City on March 12th until May 2nd? ......when all other clubs had completed their season. Easy to imagine Harry Potts with Ray Bennion and Billy Dougall over a cup of tea on Monday morning March 14th plotting how important it migh...

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Jonathan Liew plays with loose and free with facts as he argues "It's offensive for big clubs to suggest they're at financial risk" https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/may/17/its-offensive-for-big-clubs-to-suggest-theyre-at-financial-risk truly sloppy in places from a man who is often on...

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9D54A8A5-DB31-4420-9B71-BA791C25D02A.jpegCliff jones fouls Blacklaw, not given. Spurs went up other end and got a penalty. That was the incident Alex Elder referred to last week in that superb interview. Alex said he still maintains to this day that we were robbed. I think we were destined not to w...

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Their owner has worked hard on that side, last season their revenue was the highest ever in the Championship for a team not in receipt of Parachute Payments. I believe the current ownership would make them a very strong prospect in the Premier League, even without the often touted Qatari buy in. Yo...

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The boys @Vysyble with a interesting bit of analysis work, on just how much Leeds could earn if the are promoted this summer and Premier Leagues 2020/21 goes ahead. https://twitter.com/vysyble/status/1260935447649439744 While still a significant uplift, it certainly won't be as transformative as en...

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Beehole67 wrote: ↑
Thu May 14, 2020 3:46 pm
Jimmy Adamson with the England squad.

Is that Blackburn's Bryan Douglas, nearest player standing?

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The danger is that a higher distribution of payments to Championship clubs outside the parachute payments zone means they become far too reliant on that outside source of Income instead of concentrating on an in-house policy that allows the club to be more self sustainable. When Parry quotes this cr...

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The always and excellent The Football Today Podcast asks - Are parachute payments holding British football back? https://www.footballtodaypodcast.com/podcast/episode/2842860d/are-parachute-payments-holding-british-football-back Fail to understand this sudden furore towards parachute payments and do...

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Wasn’t there a big defeat at Ipswich just before all this which, and I know it was early in the season(61/62), cost Burnley the title? We did lose heavily at Ipswich early in the season but, for me, we blew it at the other end of the season. With ten games left we were comfortable and looking favou...

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Jimmy MAC always said the 6-2 win at Leicester was probably the best performance of the lot and that was during that September 1961 run. I remember going to Birmingham on the Saturday where we won 6-2, and then Leicester the following Wednesday with 6-2 again. 12 goals away from home in just 4 days...

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