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android wrote:Lancaster - there is absolutely nothing in the Rees Mogg SCM story and you have got that all wrong. You clearly know much more about the EU than me but not this.!

Lancs knows more about the EU than anybody, didn't you know!?

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Lancasterclaret wrote:Hmmm

Does the EEA mean that we are in the EU, or not?

We won't be joining it. According to the vote in parliament. But, given that you no more than anybody on the subject of brexit, maybe you're right.

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Dominic Grieve - " in no way am I attempting to stop Brexit" He then joins a group of people who have openly avowed to stopping Brexit in a behind closed doors meeting at Europe house in central London. He's a liar and a treasonous, democracy hating, cockroach. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2...

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Lancasterclaret wrote:
Anyway, Is being the EEA mean that we are in the EU?

Irrelevant parliament voted against it yesterday. Try and move on, with the vast majority of the country.

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:( :( :( :( :( And there was me thinking I was everybodys Xmas card list. All this grief has made me think long and hard about bothering to post ever again.! I'm so hurt and upset. No I'm not ! I never said "all this grief has made me think long and hard about bothering to post ever again.! And defi...

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Out they come! The gaggle are here!

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Ringo, don't flatter yourself, you sanctimonious little prick. You're this board's terrified Little Englander - the Mr. Angry of Burnley - who spends most of his time repeating the same old mantra on this board or contributing to radio phone - ins for Christ's sake. And, yes, I'm quite happy to say...

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I can't believe you still don't understand this. Hey ho I CAN believe you still don't understand this. You simply aren't as bright as you like to portray your self! I said that the losing parties manifestos are binned and only the winning parties manifesto is enacted in to law and legislation. You ...

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But we have left the EU. Thats what the referendum result said we had to do. Job done. Job done!? Listening to Ian Dale on LBC. Caller has said "I had to wait 40 years since the first vote, to get another say. The question was simple. There was no soft or Hard brexit. I know, and everybody that I s...

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You're not going to answer? Do you or do you not accept the basis on which Leave won? I try not to engage with idiots. I find they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. No matter how persistent or attention craving they may be. Trump for a Nobel peace prize? Possibly Turtles H...

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But there were definitely examples of parts of the lib dems manifesto being put into law. I linked to them, it was pretty clear. The lib dems didn't put them into law but that was nothing to do with your statement. Aggi aggi aggi. This is you saying in black, and in white. "But there were definitel...

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I'm glad the OP waited until Ringo was back to start this thread, makes it much more entertaining. On the actual question, point 3 here in the Lib Dem manifesto http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39946809" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; End the 1% public sector pay cap seems to be...

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Spot on Blackrod, at least you understand that you've got what you wanted. I see Charlie Mullins, that millionaire owner of Pimlico plumbers has lost his case in the high court today Lancs. You know. The one who, along with fellow foreign born, millionairess, Gina Miller, were successful in interfe...

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UpTheBeehole wrote:I notice Ringo is yet to respond to this.

Simple answer is, on this, it's not that I'm so so right.

Aggi is so blindingly wrong!

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Westminster have now taken back n=most of the devolved powers without even a debate in Parliament. The SNP have every right to be annoyed. . Do the English have every right to be annoyed? There isn't an English parliament that Westminster can even take back power from! England - the only country in...

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You've quoted me saying Regardless of who did it and then suggested that I forgot the fact that it wasn't the lib dems who put it through. You're struggling to form a consistent argument between one line and the next. I didn't mean to say parts, I did say parts. You're the one who didn't. You reall...

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As I said earlier, the fact that you struggle to read and prefer to ignore facts where they are inconvenient makes it a bit of a pointless discussion. (Or it is possible that you think that someone quoting a post means that they actually said it, either way it's not the basis for a coherent discuss...

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Imploding Turtle wrote:So you accept the basis on which Leave won, do you?

I try not to engage with idiots. I find they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Trump for a Nobel peace prize? Possibly

Turtles Head for rehab? Absolutely!

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Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:After two years of his idiotic postings I think you'll find it's more like...

Facts 2475 Ringo 0

After many a post criticising my grammar and punctuation. You make another post free of appropriate commas.

Hoisterized by your own petard!

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Well done, you've found the bit where I quoted you again, exactly as I said you would (which I naively thought may actually make you think). Anyway, I believe the considered response here is :D :) ;) :( :o :shock: :? 8-) :roll: :twisted: :evil: :cry: :oops: :P :x :lol: Aggi 1 Ringo 0 When presented...

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quoonbeatz wrote:agreed.

Fair play pal.

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agreed. we've moved even nearer to a dictatorship, with the tories once again putting party before country. there's no way these 'concessions' will materialise. MP's have literally given up their voice to the government. The Tory "rebels" have put political dogma and sheer pigheadedness before demo...

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Because you haven't got your way? Democracy has died? FFS Not because "I haven't got my own way" Because the basis o which 17.4 million Britons voted in the referendum has been usurped. By a political establishment rotten to the core, packed with people who will use parliamentary machinations and p...

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I was just asking out of curiosity as there have been bigger turnouts in terms of percentage and absolute numbers in the past 25 years or so. If you mean in terms of the highest number of votes for a single policy then fair enough, that's obviously your interpretation. As for the second point. It's...

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Android - Thats not the case at all though is it? 45 MPs were willing to vote against the govt yesterday, because it was a clear ignoring of parliamentary sovereignty and a blatant power grab. That would have been an issue under the majority that the Cons had last election. Crosspool - No one is co...

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So are you saying that 84% wanted to leave and that the 52-48 split is wrong? No. I'm saying that 84% of voters chose a party whose manifesto pledged- 1 leave the customs union 2 end free movement of people 3 end the jurisdiction of the ECJ. An electoral landslide for a "Uber brexit"in anybody's vi...

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It isn't though is it Ringo If it was, then May would have romped home in last years election on an uber-brexit manifesto. Facts 1 Ringo 0 84% of voters chose a party whose manifesto pledged- 1 leave the customs union 2 end free movement of people 3 end the jurisdiction of the ECJ. An electoral lan...

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Ringo two years of you effectively going "Yay boo! Brexiteers 1 Remainers 0" and you still don't get it? The Government fell on the day after the referendum, and was replaced by a cabinet mix of uber-brexiteers and some cautious remainers, while Labour decided to go back to the 70s. Then was the ti...

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Out of curiosity, why do you often refer to it in this way? What makes it the biggest, single expression of democracy for the UK? I don't think any other single issue or party received 17,4 million votes in political history, do you? If there was, I stand corrected. I won't hold my breath waiting f...

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Caballo wrote:You're probably right on both counts, though the words pot, kettle and black immediately spring to mind.

Don't remember it being the "best of 3,4,5,..." referendum. Do you?.

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A shame it was tainted by false information, that's why a second referendum is required to be an even bigger, single expression of democracy for the UK. It won't be regarded as democracy at all though if Ringo's side doesn't win. But it WILL be if you side DO!!!!! :lol: :lol: Aah the old Neverendum...

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Because that is what brexiteers have been saying, certainly on the radio and on twitter. Representative democracy is a type of democracy founded on the principle of elected officials representing a group of people. Those elected officials, by a ratio of 5 to 1, agreed to pass the decision whether o...

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Thats not how representative democracy works Ringo. I'm not sure why you are so worried by this, Brexit is still happening, its just not going to be the fantasy one that was promised. We will all lose out, but at least the result has been respected, which I'm told is the main thing. Also, can someo...

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I remember bitter Blackburn fans claiming, as they looked at our success jealousy. That Sean Dyche had inherited Eddie Howes team and the signings that he'd made were poor and the best Burnley players were all howes. Doubled our money on Andre Grey. Made a few quid from Keanes move to Everton. Pope,...

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Brexiteer constituencies - respect your voters says Brexiteers Remain constituencies - respect the will of the people say Brexiteers MPs had a vote like everybody else on 23rd June 2016. MPs should reflect how their constituents voted. - Ringo McCartney. (401 out of 632 MPs represent constituencies...

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Trump. Pulled off the biggest political coup of the Century? Possibly. Tweeting or not he is a true patriot as all politicians should be. Unlike that old goat Codbyn. If it's not good for Amierica it's out. If it is good it's in. The treasonous, anti democratic, Remoaner rats on the Tory and Liebou...

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Ha! This is brilliant, you couldn't make it up. Please inform me when you decide to storm Parliament with your personal civil war Hozz. At least you know you won't be alone, there'll be a few of you from on here like Ringo and Right-Whinger attacking the top of Scotland because you had the map to L...

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quoonbeatz wrote:thanks, mr shatner.

No problem Mr Shatyurself.

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Humour. Not your thing?

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Message to Ringo If you are quoting or replying to me then don't bother. You are neither witty or intelligent enough to argue with me so I ignore your posts. Debating complicated issues with someone who hasn't even the simplest grasp of basic English is beneath me. https://i.imgur.com/8RggXh9.jpg I...

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Lancasterclaret wrote:32% mate, which is a hell of a lot different from 48%, and both NI and Scotland voted differently from Eng and Wales

The principle is consistent and applies to both votes.

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(Ringo) Unless you agree that there are variants, then you clearly now favour "no deal". i'm sure in the past I recall you saying that you favoured a deal. By definition, if we are considering some sort of deal then we are looking at "variants". (i.e. - which bits do we still want to opt into- the ...

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The problem with this referendum is that it can't be reversed in five years time, unlike a general election. We'll be left with a 52-48 split for decades, and 16 million people left unrepresented. Remember, if the trade deals don't work out in our favour that's it for years to come! "The problem wi...

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Following the Trump / Kim deal, the BBC has announced it will be broadcasting sombre music as a mark of respect

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Remember, Trump supports the NRA, a terrorist organisation. And remember that Kim is a communist tyrant that orders the murder of members of his own family. Importantly. This deal will really wind up the far left politicos like Owen Jones and his comrades at the BBC. But more importantly, today, im...

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Whilst you're in the mood for sensible debate, let's agree that it was a binary referendum. The issue is that alternative 1 (remain) was dismissed, so we move on to alternative 2 (leave). Now the issue is: how we leave, when we can achieve this by, and what bits do we want to try to retain.. So whi...

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Great news about Pope. Heaton going? I guess it may be inevitable. The team and squad is progressing year on year. Upgrading in every position. If you look at the team that got us into the prem for the 2nd time with Dyche and see what the starting 11 is, on the opening day of the forthcoming season....

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Spijed wrote:Ringo, it's also worth pointing out that many millions wanted to stay in the EU and still do.

Yet their views get dismissed out of hand.

Correct they did and still do.

However, in a binary (but no less democratic) referendum. There can be, by it's very nature, only one option that prevails.

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It potentially could, but it would depend on the new Trade deals that we negotiate. Any new free trade deal is likely to involve free movement of goods , services and workers. India are very keen on this. Population 1.32 Billlion. There are over 1.5 million people in the UK of Indian descent. The n...

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Lancasterclaret wrote:Please, please let it be the very last time.

You had several opportunities Lancs.

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Ringo 1 . Lancaster "The Swerver" Claret 0

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