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by jlup1980
Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How do we think it will end - 12 to go
Replies: 57
Views: 3243

Re: How do we think it will end - 12 to go

W0 D1 L11
by jlup1980
Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Worried more about next season
Replies: 42
Views: 2531

Re: Worried more about next season

Let's start with the group of players who'll have no intention of playing in the Championship then: fire away Amdouni and Tresor for starters. They'll be gone as soon as their agents can get them out. For different reasons I don't expect either Berge or Odobert to drop down with us as they've both ...
by jlup1980
Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Worried more about next season
Replies: 42
Views: 2531

Re: Worried more about next season

Last season was a very different situation to what we will walk into next season. Everyone was excited about the Kompany appointment. Players seemed to be queuing around the block to sign for him. Everything was positive. It won't be like that in the summer. The epic failure of this season will have...
by jlup1980
Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Have we all calmed down today!!
Replies: 54
Views: 2738

Re: Have we all calmed down today!!

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:27 pm
Especially when there are 12 games left!
You mean 12 defeats left!
by jlup1980
Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Trafford Contract
Replies: 90
Views: 5245

Re: Trafford Contract

I am going to be seriously disillusioned with VK if he allows Muric to be sold … If he hasn't already, Muric will be requesting a move in the summer. As will Roberts, Zaroury and Benson. The way that all of last season's players have been treated is beyond ridiculous. Our starting 11 in August will...
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27451

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

Just quoted this of what is an excellent post. I still maintain Muric never received the vitriol Muric did (which is my only point here), particularly because the results in the Championship turned appropriately. At the risk of the violin coming out, the issue of raise that JT needs the abuse (as I...
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Available Managers...
Replies: 112
Views: 5482

Re: Available Managers...

Cooper would be a good option. He basically did the same thing as Vincent when he turned Forest around so quickly in the Championship. The owner then brought in a huge number of players and it took half a season for him to knit a team together. They were brilliant the second half of last season and ...
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Amdouni
Replies: 142
Views: 7730

Re: Amdouni

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:28 pm
Pound for pound our worst ever signing?

*waits for Trafford comments
He's not even the worst signing of last summer... Super Mike Tresor!!
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)
Replies: 721
Views: 27451

Re: TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

I know you struggle with ascertaining the point so I'll make this clear for you. I'm not defending Trafford, just pointing out how there is a distinct difference in the abuse he receives for similar errors others have made. Im certainly not going to start totting up the errors Muric made against Bl...
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bad as Laws era
Replies: 70
Views: 2865

Re: Bad as Laws era

If he tries to spin it that we were unlucky or something, then I may just boycott Turf Moor until he's gone. How embarrassing is it now looking that he said the opening game against City would be the worst we'd play all season? :oops: I've been a season ticket holder for 35 years and I have never w...
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bad as Laws era
Replies: 70
Views: 2865

Re: Bad as Laws era

Murger wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:16 pm
Laws was a disastrous appointment. But Jesus wept, VK looks hopeless.
If he has an ounce of decency he should admit he's out of his depth and walk away tonight.
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bad as Laws era
Replies: 70
Views: 2865

Re: Bad as Laws era

Ha ha, which game you on about? Everything bar SheffU and Brighton has been rank. Even the Luton and Fulham games where we picked up points were sloppy. If we're being harsh you can discount the Sheff U performance as well. Their players had clearly given up on Heckingbottom and used the game to ge...
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Simple vote for Kompany to stay or go…no debate
Replies: 424
Views: 14735

Re: Simple vote for Kompany to stay or go…no debate

Go. The GK isn't the only League One standard player he's signed. Ruined us. Absolutely ruined the club.
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bad as Laws era
Replies: 70
Views: 2865

Re: Bad as Laws era

Vastly worse than under Laws. There isn't another club in the country who would have stood by the manager as long as we have. Dyche took us to another level over a decade. We've regressed more than a decade in 8 months. It's that bad. If we keep VK in charge we'll be in another relegation scrap next...
by jlup1980
Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?
Replies: 146
Views: 5278

Re: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?

spt_claret wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:26 pm
Amdouni is still our joint top scorer, as bad as we are.
Doesn't hide the fact he's been a poor signing. £15m for a return of 4 goals in 24 league appearances so far isn't good enough.
by jlup1980
Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?
Replies: 146
Views: 5278

Re: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?

why do you think that their value is decreasing? Because they're not showing any qualities needed in the modern game. Who in their right mind would pay £15m plus for Amdouni? The best disappearing act since Houdini. I hope Ramsey isn't injured too seriously but it's the same question for him. Traff...
by jlup1980
Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?
Replies: 146
Views: 5278

Re: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?

I take it you don’t buy into the project then? We're signing waves of young players based on stats, on the off-chance that one or two develop sufficiently to raise significant profit. That's where the project starts and ends. Ultimately it doesn't help us on the pitch now as all we're doing is bloo...
by jlup1980
Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?
Replies: 146
Views: 5278

Re: Is Relegation such a bad thing really?

Relegation will be terminal this time. We seemingly don't have a single player or position adequately covered. We've become the Vincent Kompany "play thing". The team is made up of his players and they simply aren't good enough. Character plays a big part in the modern game and we can all see these ...
by jlup1980
Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How to Fight Off a Bully XL
Replies: 72
Views: 4296

Re: How to Fight Off a Bully XL

I can't understand for the life in me why anyone would want one of these dogs. You can argue that they "can" behave and that the owners are an important factor, but the fact remains that any dog can "flip" (for want of a better word) and the problem is when these dogs attack they can kill, as we've ...
by jlup1980
Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 659
Views: 61734

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

I think it's a great listen. It's basically a group of fans having a chat. I enjoy the sarcasm and bluntness of some of the comments. It cuts through what has been a pretty horrific season - certainly the worst I can recall for a very long time. Sometimes you need to turn it on its head and laugh ab...
by jlup1980
Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?
Replies: 67
Views: 4241

Re: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?

Rather than making more changes, what we need to do is settle on a formation and starting 11 and stick with it. Have we played the same 11 in consecutive league games this season? VK is tinkering every week and it isn't helping anyone, especially our goalkeeper. I'm sure I read on another thread tha...
by jlup1980
Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Fulham - Player Ratings
Replies: 115
Views: 6854

Re: Burnley v Fulham - Player Ratings

VK is a lucky man tonight. A disgraceful first half but we got out of jail thanks to Trafford making a few saves. The new lads looked positive but there are more questions than answers. The set piece coach clearly needs to be sacked. Their goal was the set piece goal we've been trying to score all s...
by jlup1980
Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window rumours.
Replies: 2353
Views: 284168

Re: January transfer window rumours.

Some of the comments on here are ridiculous. Benson was a match winner last season - mainly from the bench. The PL is a step up but I'd much rather throw him on when we're chasing the game than Tresor or JBL, and I'd much rather have him in the Championship next season full stop. For different reaso...
by jlup1980
Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mike Tresor
Replies: 184
Views: 10164

Re: Mike Tresor

Like I said further up, I saw the vision. 5 at the back, see the game out, plenty of space in behind Luton for fresh legs to counter. The lack of effort from both Tresor and Larsen was totally unacceptable and I’d happily never see either of them wear the shirt again such was the importance of toni...
by jlup1980
Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Scrap VAR
Replies: 84
Views: 3654

Re: Scrap VAR

It’s not really a clear and obvious error by the ref to give the goal as the keeper isn’t getting near the cross? Also we were/are gash. I agree we were gash but it's definitely a clear error. Adebayo doesn't go for the ball, he goes for the man. Regardless of whether Trafford is going to get to th...
by jlup1980
Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Luton - Player Ratings
Replies: 70
Views: 4475

Re: Burnley v Luton - Player Ratings

Trafford 7 - did well, cheated at the end Vitinho 6 - steady but his end product is diabolical Al Dakhil 6 - grew into the game after a shakey start Ekdal 7 - solid, needs to start when fit O'Shea 7 - looked to have a good understanding with Ekdal Cullen 7 - a bit more like the Josh of last season B...
by jlup1980
Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mike Tresor
Replies: 184
Views: 10164

Re: Mike Tresor

Arguably the worst pound for pound signing the club has ever made. An abomination of a footballer with the heart of a pea. A total disgrace and I hope we never see him in a Burnley shirt again. And I'm serious. Get Zaroury and Benson back on the pitch and give us some players we can get behind.
by jlup1980
Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Callum O'Hare
Replies: 29
Views: 4778

Re: Callum O'Hare

O'Hare on a free would be a shrewd signing, especially if we can also bring some money in for the likes of Twine and Churlinov. O'Hare would be an upgrade, with plenty of Championship experience (if that's where we are next season).
by jlup1980
Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zaroury
Replies: 30
Views: 4125

Re: Zaroury

Westleigh wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:57 am
I think he needs 3 or 4 full games ,trouble is there’s no reserve games anymore to get them up to speed.
I'd start the same front four against Luton. Odobert, Foster, Amdouni and Zaroury. There's real quality in that group. I suspect Zaroury will drop out of the squad entirely again though!
by jlup1980
Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zaroury
Replies: 30
Views: 4125

Re: Zaroury

Looked off the pace early on but grew into the game. A few lovely touches here and there. The ball for Zeki was magic and shows what he offers. He deserves far more game time than he's seeing. Would much rather see him than JBL, Tresor, Redmond etc. Tresor is only getting miuntes due to how much he ...
by jlup1980
Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 121
Views: 11216

Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings

Muric 7 - sets a different tempo from the back. Risk / reward as ever though! Vitinho 6 - ok O'Shea 8 - excellent Delcroix 8 - excellent Taylor 7 - worrying injury Zaroury 6 - actually thought he grew into the game. Pass of the night into Zeki. Can't understand how every other winger seems to get mo...
by jlup1980
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Buying a house isn't difficult.
Replies: 91
Views: 8179

Re: Buying a house isn't difficult.

Double digit interest was for a relatively short period, and the impact was less severe since the mortgage amounts were much lower relative to annual income in the first place - around four times the annual average average income. Houses currently cost around 10 times the annual average income. The...
by jlup1980
Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Benson to Southampton
Replies: 562
Views: 56960

Re: Benson to Southampton

It's not exactly a surprise is it? VK has sidelined Benson and Zaroury for shiny new toys this season. Neither player will be happy. I'd be gutted to see either leave as I think they're both brilliant talents and they offer more of an attacking threat than most of the attacking players bought over t...
by jlup1980
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: AV we got a thread v Burnley or is this it?
Replies: 750
Views: 38097

Re: AV we got a thread v Burnley or is this it?

If we can score 3 in the second half we might get a point. At least it sounds like we're causing problems. Are Ekdal and AAD fit? I can't understand how Delcroix can be in front of those two.
by jlup1980
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: AV we got a thread v Burnley or is this it?
Replies: 750
Views: 38097

Re: AV we got a thread v Burnley or is this it?

We've scored after falling behind. Blimey, that's a first this season isn't it?
by jlup1980
Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Turning point/Shots on target
Replies: 26
Views: 2274

Re: Turning point/Shots on target

The only genuine chance we created was the JBG header. The rest can't be classified as chances and that's why MoTD didn't show them, other than the Amdouni run and shank early on. You could argue they should have shown the corner that led to O'Shea flicking the ball on and it deflecting over the bar...
by jlup1980
Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings
Replies: 93
Views: 6786

Re: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings

We’re playing the best team in the country at the moment. The game was not ‘over after 5 mins’. Yes we clung on, but we stayed in the game - weird how other teams get praise for this kind of thing and we don’t - and we had very good chances to score. JBG, Amdouni, Bruun Larsen. Why are you just plu...
by jlup1980
Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:04 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 9 wins needed from remaining games
Replies: 17
Views: 1808

Re: 9 wins needed from remaining games

The only positive in our current predicament is who we've played at home. 9 defeats from 10 isn't acceptable but we have played most of the bigger, better teams. Man City, Aston Villa, Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, Palace, West Ham, Sheff Utd, Everton and Liverpool. The Palace and West Ham defeats are th...
by jlup1980
Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:55 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings
Replies: 93
Views: 6786

Re: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings

Those ratings are a joke ^^^ get a grip Trafford 8 Vitinho 5 O’Shea 7 Beyer 5 Taylor 7 Brownhill 6 Berge 5 Tresor 6 Odobert 7 Amdouni 5 Foster 6 Gudmundsson 6 We're all welcome to our opinion and it's my opinion that we have fans clutching at straws. If not for their wasteful finishing, Trafford ma...
by jlup1980
Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings
Replies: 93
Views: 6786

Re: Burnley v Liverpool - Player Ratings

I can't believe how high some of the ratings are. The game was over after 5 minutes. The first half was just Everton all over again - only Liverpool were wasteful and / or Trafford heroic. There was no response from us and the old "strong jaw" showed it's made of jelly again. Had we gone in 5 down i...
by jlup1980
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: First half passing heatmap vs. Everton
Replies: 27
Views: 2824

Re: First half passing heatmap vs. Everton

I thought Brownhill was hiding. Now I know where he was, stood behind Beyer!
by jlup1980
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: New food/drink rules at the Turf
Replies: 353
Views: 32727

Re: New food/drink rules at the Turf

I'll stick to a pint in the Kettledrum and a pie from the local shop thanks!
by jlup1980
Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: VK’s post match interview
Replies: 60
Views: 11110

Re: VK’s post match interview

Agreed we need leaders but new ones wont come.through until theyve had a spell winning games. You cant come into a club, lose loads of games then start bollocking peoole, nobodys going to listen. Ive seen jay rod and Brownhill shouting and cajoling, Cork looks like a more reserved leader type and i...
by jlup1980
Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: VK’s post match interview
Replies: 60
Views: 11110

Re: VK’s post match interview

The game is done at that point, its frustrating to see but them talking to old teammates isnt a problem. Weve no idea if they are accepting mediocrity, id suggest not because theres been much improvement over the season and from everything ive read and heard they put in a huge amount of work on the...
by jlup1980
Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: VK’s post match interview
Replies: 60
Views: 11110

Re: VK’s post match interview

Ah yes thats what we want, players ignoring the managers instructions and doing what they want. In fact its all irrational waffle I understand what you're saying but I also understand the other side of the argument. I'd like to see some personality on the pitch when things are going wrong. There wa...
by jlup1980
Sat Dec 16, 2023 9:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Everton - Player Ratings
Replies: 129
Views: 23696

Re: Burnley v Everton - Player Ratings

Easy three points for Dyche. It was reminiscent of watching us beat Norwich 2 nil under Sean a few years ago. We went two in front early on and that was that. We allowed Norwich all the ball they wanted, safe in the knowledge they wouldn't hurt us. It was depressing to see the roles reversed today. ...
by jlup1980
Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brownhill
Replies: 47
Views: 9694

Re: Brownhill

Who would we make a loss on from last summer? Remember these were all young lads new to both English football and the Premier League where there are few, if any, 'gimme' games, unlike almost every other league in Europe. Tresor, JBL, Koleosho, Odobert and Amdouni are all young and are just adapting...
by jlup1980
Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton is massive
Replies: 62
Views: 11891

Re: Everton is massive

I can't see anything other than an easy afternoon for Sean. Losing Taylor is a massive blow. We'll probably end up with Vitinho at left back and Roberts at right back, which simply won't be physical enough against them. Ekdal has to come in and replace Taylor's height for me. Quite how that looks on...
by jlup1980
Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brownhill
Replies: 47
Views: 9694

Re: Brownhill

Berge and Brownhill are building a good partnership so it would be disappointing if Josh leaves. However, the club will need to recoup funds wasted in the summer so Pace and co. could be tempted if a fee around £10m is offered.
by jlup1980
Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Barton
Replies: 195
Views: 32414

Re: Barton

Of course - anyone can comment on the game. No one criticises Kate Abdo/Laura Woods/Kelly Cates because they're genuinely brilliant presenters and add to their respective shows, massively. An ex-player, even if a poor pundit gets more of a pass because you can at least say they've been there and wo...