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by dsr
Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Imploding Turtle wrote:By that logic Brexit isn't news until it happens. Britain looking into it's options therefore isn't news.
That's not logic, Turtle.
by dsr
Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Lots out there saying something completely different, and pretending that the EU and UK law divide is as simple as that is very disingenuous. The way certain govt ministers, certain newspapers and lots of people (well meaning I'm sure but no idea how this can play out) are attacking the judiciary i...
by dsr
Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Not been keeping up with current news then Clarets4me then? Independance of the judiciary trashed, opposition laughed at when they mention that stuff is getting a bit worrying? But its ok, blue passports! Taking back control from the bureaucrats! More investment in the NHS! More tax cuts! Nothing t...
by dsr
Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Take the blinkers off for a moment, would you? No bank is moving yet, that's why nobody is reporting that a bank is moving yet. If (still a big if) we lose the ability to freely move capital around the EU a lot of banks will give it serious consideration. Will they stay or go? Who knows, but it's a...
by dsr
Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

This is true and its not normally something that I'd bring up, but DSR statement is taking it to the extremes. You don't relocate from the worlds banking capital for anything other than seismic changes, and that change is Brexit. Like IT says, the tax revenues are going to take a hell of a hit, whi...
by dsr
Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Of course they consider it, but they don't do this everyday There is a big political change coming, so the banks are looking into the options. You think that's big news? Banks looking into options isn't news any more than the sun coming up tomorrow will be news. It'll only be news if they decide to...
by dsr
Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:50 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

I remember when warning that this was going to happen was dismissed as scaremongering. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38245646" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; No, it wasn't dismissed as scaremongering. Actually, although this may come as a surprise to you, banks have always consi...
by dsr
Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Quite a telling comment from Anna Soubry in the commons earlier: Ms Soubry says that she, and other Remain supporters, have felt sidelined, ignored, and abused - "and we are sick and tired of it". "We are entitled to our opinion, we are entitled to be heard, and entitled to express our opinion," sh...
by dsr
Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

That's the point isn't it? Once we leave we can never go back on any deals we make, even if it leaves us in a worse state than before. If we manage to make a deal with the USA, for example, (because I doubt Obama's threat to put us at the back of the queue has any meaning) and we later don't like i...
by dsr
Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Walton wrote:Julie Cooper should act on behalf of those who voted for her. It's more than likely that Brexiters didn't vote for her last time, so **** em.
:shock: Burnley was 66% Brexit. Some of them must have voted for Cooper.
by dsr
Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Brexit vote
Replies: 486
Views: 34787

Re: Today's Brexit vote

Isn't it wonderful that we'll be free of all EU red tape when we leave. We'll be able to import toys which are death traps for example: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; “...
by dsr
Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth
Replies: 176
Views: 21008

Re: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth

dsr- I'm not interested in other clubs dud players. Just Burnley's ! But there's no point criticising a man for being not perfect, or in some extremists' cases advocating sacking him because he isn't perfect, unless you have the man who is perfect waiting in the wings. I'm not sure Burnley have the...
by dsr
Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth
Replies: 176
Views: 21008

Re: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth

We need to get at least 10 points from the next 5 matches to stand a chance of survival but the way we are playing and the way our luck is running I think we will be lucky to get 3 points. I would be willing to bet a very large sum of money that there will be at least one club with 23 points or les...
by dsr
Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth
Replies: 176
Views: 21008

Re: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth

How many players have we transferred in during the last four years that have now gone or been put out on loan because they aren't or weren't good enough. This has to be down to serious misjudgement and clearly has had an impact on our squads strength. Perhaps you could let us know which clubs have ...
by dsr
Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth
Replies: 176
Views: 21008

Re: Mr Dyche sorry but you are out of your depth

Last season's promotion was won by very fine margins, just two injury time headers the other side of the post and we'd be 200 million quid less of a club than we are now. Not correct. We finished 4 points ahead of both Middlesbrough and Brighton and with a better goal difference than both. If we'd ...
by dsr
Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Embarrassing
Replies: 41
Views: 7629

Re: Embarrassing

boiledclaret wrote:The OP is genuine, one or two posters respond to a defeat like its the beginning of the end and this OP seems to be one of them.
The OP doesn't seem to think it's the beginning of the end. More like the end of the end.
by dsr
Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Embarrassing
Replies: 41
Views: 7629

Re: Embarrassing

The whole post is so senseless that I think it must be a troll. Nobody has that short a memory, even when drunk.
by dsr
Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Where the season may go wrong.
Replies: 126
Views: 14657

Re: Where the season may go wrong.

The season going wrong doesn't necessarily imply relegation it means a lack of progression, this league is not that strong, and sticking to the plan might still mean we scrape through but from my perspective we won't have progressed into a potentially successful Premier League outfit which we could...
by dsr
Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Where the season may go wrong.
Replies: 126
Views: 14657

Re: Where the season may go wrong.

It's wins that keep you up as a small club not draws. I think you'll find no club has ever survived in the Premier League without any draws. And I bet there's a heck of a lot who would have gone down if their draws hadn't given them those extra points. [Edit] - every club from Chelsea in 10th down ...
by dsr
Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Where the season may go wrong.
Replies: 126
Views: 14657

Re: Where the season may go wrong.

ablueclaret wrote:The late goals against us are in part a result of the sustained pressure our defence undergoes.
What about late goals in our favour?
by dsr
Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Where the season may go wrong.
Replies: 126
Views: 14657

Re: Where the season may go wrong.

I think we've yet to get 50% possession in any game this season, which isn't important in itself as that was often the case in the Championship but over a season it will start to have an effect, you just need one big rout to undermine a side like ours. Are Sean Dyche's sides especially prone to hav...
by dsr
Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: O/T Total Knee Replacement
Replies: 45
Views: 8085

Re: O/T Total Knee Replacement

Chap I know was 90+ when he had it done and was completely out of it for the first week, all sorts of pain, rambling mentally, no end of problems. But that was only for a week, and then it progressed very well; five weeks later he was fit and well and back out on his country walks. Five years on, hi...
by dsr
Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Self-Driving Cars
Replies: 88
Views: 8097

Re: Self-Driving Cars

Most passenger planes are on autopilot 95% of the time. But they don't have a collision avoidance system. How do automatic cars know who or what to avoid? If another car comes across the road at them, do they know to sit tight and let themselves be hit rather than drive over the small child on the ...
by dsr
Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Self-Driving Cars
Replies: 88
Views: 8097

Re: Self-Driving Cars

When they can make a computer that doesn't crash, I'll think about trusting them with my car. ;)

Seriously, I don't fancy it. Maybe I would be safer in a self-driving vehicle, statistically; time will tell. But I think I'd trust myself rather than a machine and take my own chances.
by dsr
Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

I love the idea that we'll get a better deal with the USA than the EU managed. Well, there's only two possibilities. We get a better deal than the EU, or we don't get a deal at all. The EU has been unable to agree any deal with the USA. Achieving something better than nothing at all isn't an imposs...
by dsr
Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

I'm not sure I understand your point. Many leave voters, particularly the older ones, have used "this is not what we signed up for in 1975" as a reason for their decision (which is fair enough), but a remain vote was a vote for the status quo. I realise that there is no such thing as a permanent st...
by dsr
Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:10 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

I also think that whatever "brexit" eventually looks like will leave at least a sizeable minority of leave voters dissatisfied, if not unhappy, whereas staying in would have satisfied all of the remain voters. Not suggesting we should reverse a democratic decision, but it's a crying shame imo. I do...
by dsr
Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Falcon wrote:For some reason the Leave victory has led to certain Leave voters deciding I'm not allowed to be concerned and speak up about with how the leaving process is shaping up. This is disappointing.
Which ones? People on here, or in the outside world?
by dsr
Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Who is to judge which are the "incorrect facts" and which are the "correct ones?" One of the welcome innovations in recent times is the emergence of fact-checking organisations. You could try Fullfact or Infact if you want to understand facts as opposed to estimates/gestimates/lies. You may not lik...
by dsr
Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Walton wrote:Because you're a big racist?
No, because the idea of the Code Napoleon stinks. It isn't racist to dislike the European forms of legal system.
by dsr
Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

I hear a lot of old people going on about 1971. With the greatest respect, its now 2016 and its a completely different world out there. Hell, we still had colonies in 1971! We joined the EEC for economic benefit, and we are leaving the EU to lose that economic benefit. I know that the EEC is comple...
by dsr
Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

dsr. Those new nations coming out of old Tito's mild but effective form of "tyranny", was created by the regions and religions when the strong man died, and old **** came to the surface. Badly handled by the rest of the world maybe, but mostly by those who live there... How true. Lucky there's no o...
by dsr
Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:23 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

The EU isn't Yugoslavia, and it shows you don't know anything about it if you think it is. I've got to go and hit the sack now, but tomorrow, I think a little Balkan history is in order for the mis-informed. If you seriously thought that I believed the Balkans and the EU were the same place, I thin...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Peace between nations, after two big and plenty of smaller wars, was the main purpose behind the creation of the EU(ECC,Common Market...). Maybe worth a thought fellow members of the universe, earth, europe and UpTheClarets.com..? ;) Certainly worth a thought. But jamming nations together that don'...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Hi Lowbank, Population of Norway is 5.2 million (end 2015), while the population of the UK is 65 million - or only (approx.) 55 million if we count England alone. I've never understood why UK should negotiate the same deal as Norway, a country more than 10 times smaller than the UK, or Switzerland ...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you can't name one thing from Vote Leave that hasn't since been walked back?
Vote Leave said we would leave the EU. That's going to happen. Be content.
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Would it what? You've left a word out.

But more seriously, Sainsbury's aren't the government. Sainsbury's are allowed to promote British agriculture. The government isn't.
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

However, what amazes me is that there hasn't been, as far as I can see, any positive follow up from the government or any of the leave supporters. No campaign for the country to buy British, for example. Nothing as such but get us out. As long as we're in the EU, a "Buy British" campaign would be i...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

I'd vote remain again with stronger conviction the second time around since almost every promise from the Leave campaign was walked back within days of them winning. I c\an't think of a single thing that Leave didn't walk back. No extra NHS money. No curbing of immigration from the EU to here. No a...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

[Edit] wrong thread
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

That's a point against the UK political system in general, though, Bacchus. Not against this particular circumstance. May - appointed by MPs. Cameron - appointed by a coalition of MPs. Brown - appointed by MPs Blair - won an election Major - appointed by MPs Thatcher - won an election Callaghan - ap...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

nil_desperandum wrote:Where on earth does the 78% figure come from?
It was 66.6%.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36614758" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

You're not going to get many people on this thread who will say they've changed their mind, because the people who post on this sort of threads are the ones with very definite views. The 'floating voters' are the ones who might change, and most of them will have stopped reading by now.
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

The pound is the weakest its been for over 150 years. That is not scaremongering, or project fear, it's project reality. Bear in mind that when the referendum campaign started, the pound was at its weakest for all but two of the the last 150 years. If you're upset you used to get $5 and CHF 12 for ...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Fact is, the one thing about this referendum is that you could just about make a case for the older you are, the more likely you are to vote Leave, but thats about it. That's true. The over 60's are the young people who voted in the EEC referendum in 1974, and voted staggeringly in favour. Forty ye...
by dsr
Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:48 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Would you vote the same again?
Replies: 354
Views: 31034

Re: Would you vote the same again?

Yes.
by dsr
Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight
Replies: 134
Views: 12709

Re: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight

Greenmile wrote:Another incredible argument. Voting for Trump on that basis is like burning your house down because you don't like the colour of your curtains.
It wasn't an argument. Saying something negative about Clinton is not the same as saying "Vote for Trump".
by dsr
Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight
Replies: 134
Views: 12709

Re: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight

Bizarre, I can't find any reasons why a demagogue like Trump would be anything other than a complete disaster. Now why don't you rate Bill Clinton dsr? Big, big, big thing that affected the Uk was the Good friday agreement, and he's central to that. Basically because he's untrustworthy; and because...
by dsr
Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight
Replies: 134
Views: 12709

Re: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight

Imploding Turtle wrote:How about we start at the beginning then.

What do you think Trump will do as president that is better than what Clinton will do?
Nothing significant. And the same vice versa. I'm glad I don't have to vote.
by dsr
Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight
Replies: 134
Views: 12709

Re: Clinton/Trump - Debate #2 tonight

I was looking for (and not finding) reasons why Hillary might be a good president. And I don't rate Bill Clinton, either.