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paulatky wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:45 pm
... the number of deaths there would never happen you all said...

One person says something and it's suddenly "you all". Just another lie in a long line from you.

This is somebody who actually got more right than wrong.

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France are going to reopen schools on May 11th. Are they on a similar path to us, maybe a bit in front? Fair do’s to Macron, just admitted they hadn’t been ready for it but will be testing every person with symptoms from 11 May. Should we be looking at the same? I believe schools remain closed beca...

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Very very debatable far far too early to call, I know a couple of people recently with threatening letters from drysdensfairfax solicitors licking their lips nothing can be done right now but amongst them & others they are ready to pounce after the 3months, 6mths 12mths down the line if things don'...

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Just want to check which one you are, were you the one who said China were burning masses of its own people? Or were you the one who said the death rate was 26%? Paul's highlights are: "(re China) I wouldnt be surprised if the real numbers infected are in the millions and 1,000’s of bodies being bu...

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Fenwick wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:07 pm
I've completely lost track of the argument and counter-argument on this thread. Only one thing to do, I'll just have to re-read the whole thing from post 1...

No. Really. Don't. You'll be wishing for a bad bout of the title by about page 10.

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Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:05 pm
Posters as early as February on here should not be more capable than the government advisors but the facts are 3 of us were, in knowing exactly what was happening & where things were going.

I think peak **** being talked has been reached. We can probably close this now.

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by Grumps Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:32 pm Forum: The Bee Hole End Topic: Covid-19 Replies: 6830 Views: 125787 Re: Covid-19 Let's hope that 3 weeks total lock down will be enough to flatten the infection rate peak and give the NHS sufficient time to prepare. Anything beyond 3 weeks is (imo) going to be ex...

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If you say so, I don't really keep up with people's allegiance. Better to be like me and not have any allegiance but I guess if it's ingrained in you that much, you'll try and pass any criticism off as 'Tory bashing'. Shame really as this isn't the time for party politics. Good try. But that's not ...

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Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:43 pm
And sadly, the government see protecting their vote share equally as important as saving lives.

Or, to put it another way, the government in a democracy can only do what the electorate wants it to.

Is that something you disapprove of?

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by Grumps Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:32 pm Forum: The Bee Hole End Topic: Covid-19 Replies: 6830 Views: 125787 Re: Covid-19 Let's hope that 3 weeks total lock down will be enough to flatten the infection rate peak and give the NHS sufficient time to prepare. Anything beyond 3 weeks is (imo) going to be ex...

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CombatClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:44 pm
Questions should be asked and answers demanded when resulting actions and reactions can still save lives.

Yes. Although not just "save lives". "Lead to a better outcome".

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CombatClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:43 pm
At least they file it under opinion, not the front page splash.

I think you might be posting on the wrong thread now. No idea where these latest exchanges are going or what you think you're responding to.

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Not great examples when both the second and third quotes are commenting on other peoples words. And while I find the FT does have good unbias reporting at times I would hardly lable it a left wing source. If you'd prefer something more direct from one of The Grauniad's leading shit-stirrers instead...

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Not great examples when both the second and third quotes are commenting on other peoples words. And while I find the FT does have good unbias reporting at times I would hardly lable it a left wing source. The third quote directly quoted Moon - his word was "war". Not sure what your point is. I neve...

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quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:42 pm
Not sure why you're making it party political.

Because it's that which underpins some of the criticism. Even when people say it's not, their previous stances speak for themselves.

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Would probably help if they stopped using war analogies for this disease. like You're right. "a war against an invisible enemy” "The obvious and widely drawn parallel has been, as so often in Britain, the second world war." "the country was now waging “war” on the virus" "we face a war against coro...

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You just do not get me at all do you. So here is me going to care homes, funeral directors, etc . Yes respecting social distancing. They need our help , so it needs to be done. The data says we are in the sh1t. You just keep taking the **** and making it joke of it. When you do good things, I suppo...

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I just do, common sense, I think you've been watching too many episodes of silent witness & think all the mortuaries are like the Lyell, it's a straightforward process signing off, the sensitivity with the family also plays a massive part & respectful considerations are an normality. I have no idea...

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In the event of an homeless person's death the coroner would swiftly record it without even investigating, you'd see the track marks ect & swiftly sign it off, if it's suspicious circumstances the need for a detailed examination would be necessary, a coroner simply doesn't have the time to investig...

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So every Gov presentation states it does not include people who die outside of hospital. Which Hancock statements are you watching? You just cuddle up to your 0.37%, it’s no basis on reality, but it makes you feel so much better. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. I'm not scared of the loom...

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"Not other categories" so you are suggesting that all homeless people are being tested before some of the NHS staff on the front are being tested, unless you carry out post mortems on everybody dying (not tested) it's impossible to establish if it's the virus, bearing in mind the homeless people wi...

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A big clue comes from the daily hospital reported deaths meaning exactly that, no mention of anybody else dying from the virus unless you are suggesting that everybody who dies from the virus gets tested positive & then dies whilst in hospital, the figure is far higher but it's pure guesswork reach...

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That's not including the illegal people residing in the UK, the homeless people, the old people dying in the carehomes or just at home, to be included in the count you need to be tested positive & to die in a hospital. Not true. That's one of Lowbank's lies. Yes, some people will slip under the rad...

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Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:35 pm
We don't know for certain regarding the numbers it's widely acknowledged that people are dying from the virus without the count being added to the system in place

Acknowledged by whom? People on here don't count, by the way.

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Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:48 pm
So crack on, what’s stopping you?

A sense of responsibility to everyone else and not thinking I'm the only **** clever enough to have seen something that has eluded everyone else.

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paulatky wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:52 pm
But its not 3 in a 1,000 ,its 10 in a 1,000

Some studies showing 3 - but yes up to 10 in some.

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Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:55 pm
The mortality rate is far higher than that.

Let's go for 9, shall we?

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I know there is a thread about the virus, however just seems full of people bickering at the moment. I am just asking how many people believe they have had it and did they have the common symptoms we are supposed to look out for i.e. dry cough, loss of sense of smell and taste and high temperature?...

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Just spoken to my brother who lives in Hackney. There is a big Orthodox Jewish community in his area and he had to call the police today because 20+ people were congregating in someone’s back garden to pray. I think he said this was the third time he’s seen it. The police were around fairly swiftly...

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Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:57 pm
A lot of people don't, they cling on to crap like religion to help them cope with the prospect of death in everyday life

Which is fine. Whatever gets you through. Or wanting to hide from it. Until it impinges on everyone else. Which is where our societal mindset will get quite quickly.

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I get what you mean but it's just an EXTRA threat. It's like saying not to worry If a serial killer moves on to your street because one lives there already, now you have two serial killers to worry about. Not any kind of an analogy since the risks posed by your serial killer (or the second one) are...

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You crack on, some of us believe in whatever it takes & however long it takes, let science advance the odds aren't looking so great currently. The great thing is that if those of us who can take the 3 in 1,000 (much less for most people) chance, those who want to hide until it's all over can. And i...

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Thatdberight, or anybody actually, could you do me a favour mate. Quote my post above so that Lowbank sees it. He put me on his foe list after he branded me "racist" for suggesting the restoring of border posts and checks that had been allowed to fall into disrepair as part of the European union fr...

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Hard for life to return to normal when you know there is a virus out there that will kill 3 of every 1000 people, many of them younger and healthier than you. I'm not relishing the next 12 months. Only if you're old and infirm does that statement hold true. Anyway. Whatever. 3 out if 1,000. I might...

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207993/Italy-prepares-extend-lockdown-3-avoid-second-wave-coronavirus-infections.html Even putting aside the fact that a Daily Mail projection by implication isn't showing something will happen... Not a single mention of the tightening of the lockdown you c...

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Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:34 pm
Where is Grumps??

I am not going back again posting comments from people.
People get upset.

That would indeed be a peculiar thing for you of all people to do.

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It will likely be a couple more months yet to safely isolate the virus and lift restrictions. Wuhan went into lockdown and not half assed lockdown like ours back end of Jan . Wuhan still has restrictions in place , the UK has already shown the virus has spread faster and has had more cases and more...

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Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:17 pm
there was a lot of debate when It was suggested there would be unfortunately 10,000 deaths by the end of this week.

No. There wasn't. One person disagreed with you.

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Because we usually do our shopping online. It is delivered once a week and we order everything we need for the week. So we hardly ever go to the supermarket. Thanks. I guess overall, it's diminished though with more home delivery and changes to shopping patterns. I am slightly surprised the superma...

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Control over those not part of the same household who are choosing to ignore the rules. Ah, OK. Gotcha. Although, it's pretty ******* obvious even now. I see groups that are clearly not "same household". I think that would be counterproductive. Because this is clearly not an existential threat, the...

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taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:30 pm
If arrangements need tightening, adults of the same household undertaking essential exercise outdoors should have to do so alone, as opposed to full lockdown..

What good would that do?

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Whilst that may be true normally, because of weekend admissions when there are fewer hospital staff at the weekends, less consultants etc. I think it may be a bit different with the current situation. I think he's still peddling the lie that care home deaths are not counted and that this is somehow...

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In fact we've gone to the supermarket more in the last 3/4 weeks than we probably did in the first 3/4 months of the year. I don't get this. Why would you need to do that? We've restricted ourselves to a big shop, do without quite do much fresh stuff by the end of the 10 day period but not just liv...

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Something like 710 deaths reported today in the UK?

I'll not comment further for fear of upsetting the "up is down, down is up, believe nothing, believe everything, up is up, down is down, treat data with caution, throw data around carelessly" adherents.

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They should be accountable for the failures as well as the successes. Any future public inquiry's recommendations will be interesting. Let's hope it's wide-ranging. Yes, the government of the day (and its predecessors) should be accountable for decisions. So should a number of other bodies. We shou...

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... also no consideration of the UK’s ethnic make up (it appears BME may be more likely to become seriously ill).. Agree with your balanced post - finding that balance between "being given space to lead" and "can do what they think best without scrutiny and until it's too late to change course" is ...

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I seem to have rattled a few people. I simply asked would the posters on here who are saying we shouldn’t be questioning the government until this is over honestly offer the same grace if it was a Labour government? Simple question, not loaded, just intended to make people question whether they are...

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Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:26 pm
I’m not talking about investigations. I’m talking about people on a message board asking questions of the government.

Oh, right. Yes, of course, it's always the right time for people of all political persuasions to gob off pointlessly on internet message boards. Long may it be so.

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Quite correct. I presume this is why the right are falling over themselves to say what a great job the government are doing. The outcome is not settled so why the hurry? And yet we had people on here linking newspaper headlines saying these showed the right-wing press were turning against the gover...

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Why isn’t it the right time to ask those questions now? Unless it helps current actions, why investigate an outcome that's not settled? Why waste the energy on that? Unless, of course, what some are really worried about us that a party political advantage will be lost by not striking while the iron...

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