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Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:59 pm
We need to look at Germany to find out how they are skewing the stats.

I'm not sure whether you're joking or not but I have no problems believing the Germans have done this much better than us.

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If it's lower the government will deserve credit, likewise if it's higher they deserve criticism. No. What was said above. The government aren't God. If they make the right calls and it goes to ****, that's still a good piece of governance. If they make wrong calls and get lucky, that's still a bad...

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Gerry Hattrick wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:00 pm
Which direction?

Up

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If the UK ends up with a higher death toll than any other country in Europe (which is a possibility) I'll be impressed if they manage to put a positive spin on it, which they will try, no doubt. To be fair, if we'd ended up with a lower death toll, I imagine their detractors would be have had a go ...

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https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/19/response-to-sunday-times-insight-article/ That's a strangely ungovernmental response in parts like somebody's really hacked off - the bit about, "Which is it?" for example. It certainly disputes some key points. I wish it had said what it means in one bit ...

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Regarding traffic from a few threads further up, Easter weekend where I live wasn't much quieter than any standard weekend. At one point there was something about around 10% of people who didn't give a ****, but now it feels that's now more like 25%. Massive fines need to be given out. Like I've sa...

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By the way, does anybody think lockdown is more than fraying at the edges? I'm out for a long walk (against guidelines - not against the law - but since I've passed two pedestrians in an hour...) and the volume of road traffic is a bit lighter but pretty much normal for a Sunday afternoon. For the l...

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Authoritarian countries have been more successful than more liberal countries (perhaps with the exception of small countries will low population density). We have been one of the most liberal countries, more so than France, Italy and Spain and that’s reflected in our figures and also in the attitud...

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jackmiggins wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:04 pm
Incidentally, carnt isn’t a word.

People who live in grass (sic) houses and all that...

"having a meal day..."

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The bottom line is we currently have nearly 10% of the reported deaths in the world....that’s before consideration of deaths in the wider community. Given we have less than 1% of the world’s population there is something wrong and concerning. The conclusion is one or more of the following: The figu...

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Another fine effort by the government. This time regarding those magical ventilators: https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1251434219139665920 When you say "the government", are you including Civil Service (we have a clear distinction in this country), various half in / half out bodies and, of cour...

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Of course we should have. Everyone else (apart from some Asian countries) have gone for half measures to appease their citizens. This is why we went down the “asking, gentle prodding, common sense advice, Formal advice, ordering” route. Unfortunately asking and advice has failed and we should have ...

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jackmiggins wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:07 pm
... Nicola Sturgeon would take no prisoners...

Is that a different Nicola Sturgeon to the one who had to wait for Twitter to tell her to sack her Chief Medical Officer?

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Grace and favour retreat - is that commonly referred to as Checkers? Boris has ignored the flooding because he’s in a meeting about some flu virus in China!! The NHS should have spent millions stockpiling PPE and ventilators just in case there is a flu pandemic - manufactured by the “friends” of th...

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Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:50 pm
Grace and favour retreat - is that commonly referred to as Checkers?

No. Not even when it's spelt correctly.

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jackmiggins wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:08 am
...having a meal day ...

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Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:57 am
Has that actually happened frequently though or is it just the odd video on social media being shared ad infinitum?

It's happening. Certainly in London.

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Isn't the difference that in Germany it sounds like the police aren't trying to disperse people in public parks whereas in the UK there have been complaints that too many people are going into the parks and the police are trying to stop picnics, for example? Is that about the response of the people...

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A friend of mine who lives in Germany said "In our Bundesland the laws are fairly relaxed. You are free to go out, but should keep your distance from others. Yesterday, we saw people lying in the parks, something you'd get arrested for in the UK probably. Other Bundesländer like Bayern have stricte...

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AndrewJB wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:36 am
And we’re paying him to do what?

Well, we're paying a lot of people to do nothing at the minute so maybe, for once, "We're all in this together" applies

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Germany doesn't have the same restrictions as us. I know they closed schools, almost all shops, all cultural events. My cousin told me this on 18 March. He, despite being in good health, has been also identified as high risk due to age and was confined to the house at that stage. (I haven't spoken ...

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And still people ignore the lockdown and want it lifting.. Not sure that very simple stance applies to many people but, if it's true, that would be a reason why it's been hard to take action. If the country wants to take its chances and knows that this will result in (say) 400,000 deaths but reduce...

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"On the third Friday of January a silent and stealthy killer was creeping across the world. Passing from person to person and borne on ships and planes, the coronavirus was already leaving a trail of bodies." Is this what Agatha Christie does for a living nowadays? The allegations of mismanagement ...

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This has been explained before. You cannot sell the NHS because it has no commercial value. The NHS is an organisation that has no commercial income, all it has is the duty to treat British people and most British residents for all their ailments, free of charge. No-one would buy that. Now, if you ...

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TVC15 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:10 pm
I pretended I was a Tory and infiltrated the pay / firewall.

I feel dirty but I did it for the greater good.

You'll have been disappointed. I cancelled my subscription about a year ago as it was too left-wing for my tastes.

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My overarching point is that the government has intervened massively in the economy - when we've always been told that the free market is so sacrosanct that injustices such as homelessness and poverty were sacrifices worth making. Now, we know that's not true. You've got to be really very left-wing...

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Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:24 pm

...I probably was baiting a little bit...

Whatever. I don't "foe" people - but I'll be trying to ignore you from now on since you've shown your true colours again.

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Refers to Feb and I've posted on the Covid thread. The full article is firewalled and my guess would be subscribers on her will be more right of centre so wont share the fuller article Hopefully someone will and it can be discussed in an intelligent manner Good degree of paranoia that right-wingers...

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Interested to see the detail of this article if anyone has subscription to the Sunday Times and can share some of the content without copyright infringement https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh It comes from a centrist factual ...

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...homelessness was ended in one weekend... Briefly. Taking the relatively small number of people we have in this country off the street and putting them in hotels at a time when hotels happen to be all but uninhabited isn't solving anything. Many of those people have been through countless interve...

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To suggest that our NHS isnt as good as other European health services do our frontline staff a diservice . That's the attitude that causes the problem where the NHS is sacred. The people aren't the organisation. To look carefully at the structure isn't to make any comment on the individuals workin...

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What I'm struggling with is this; the governments own guidelines are fairly clear, no unnecessary travel and such like. So, why has Johnson after leaving hospital not gone home to Downing Street but travelled all the way to Chequers which I believe to be in Buckinghamshire well north east of London...

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AndrewJB wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:44 pm
In electing him the country brought a plastic fork to a gunfight.

If that's your starting point, your preferred outcome is so obvious as to be pointless.

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Given that some suggest that covid-19 outcomes in UK will be the "worst in Europe" don't you think it would be a good idea to take a look at how the other European countries organise their health care? You're in danger of talking heresy about the "envy of the world". Why these nations (which we kee...

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52282288

Basically a 60:40 split between "Finish it somehow" and "Bin it and forget it"

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The first, wave was in China, the second wave was in Italy etc etc. The idea we had to shoot ourselves in leg to learn the lessons after watching & observing half a dozen other people shoot themselves in the leg first is absurd. We haven't seen any country full emerge from lockdown. Not that this s...

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The bit that is or I’m missing are these people that you refer to who want a “full” review. I don’t know if they exist (but happy to be proved wrong) and I’m confused how that has ended up being the thing that you / others are now debating. Did anyone on this thread say that they thought there shou...

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Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:09 pm
Not sure I agree. There seems to be a fairly even spread to me.

That's fine. You could be right. It's not scientific. It's just my impression. I also believe we have a good spread - just the weightings.

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Hmmm, third party chips in when Ringo is asked a tricky question that's got him floundering and uses one of Ringo's favourite catchphrases. LancasterClaret 9 Ringo 4 + 1 quoting LancasterClaret (he does seem to have taken rather a fancy to it after seeing LancasterClaret use it) Cryssys 1 martin_p ...

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Grumps wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:00 pm
Had we voted differently, it could have been Diane Abbott

They're cut from the same mathematical cloth.

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Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:33 pm
What would you say is the average political view on here? Genuinely curious.

Among those who get involved in political threads (self-selecting subset obviously); left of centre. Left of the UK average.

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No need to bin the system just the people making the poor decisions causing the system to fail, for example after you wargame a pandemic flu outbreak and find lack of PPE being raised you should do something about that before a real pandemic hits. We wargamed it 2016, found that exact issue and did...

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I’m still missing something here - who are these people and what is it you think they want / calling for ? I haven’t seen anyone asking for a full review - not even the left wing journalists. I agree that some of the journalists ask stupid questions that they know can’t be answered right now but th...

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Countries with females leaders seem to be handling this disproportionately better, early and decisive action with little need for d1ck waving and rah-rah public school 'take it on the chin' sentiment. We wonder why a country with a physical chemistry expert is doing better than a opinion based news...

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Which posters have asked for a full review ? As for pointing the finger at the government - tbf would you really expect people to criticise the faceless civil servants that work for them ? That’s like saying why do people praise the government rather than the civil servants ? If not a full review, ...

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Is anyone calling for a “full” review ? I agree that is by definition impossible right now. But if you look through the pages on this thread any time somebody criticises or challenges specific individual decisions made by the government why do the same old posters come back incessantly with comment...

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Ridiculous to say wait till it’s all finished before assessing how the government is doing. The government has said themselves that they welcome scrutiny, criticism, challenge and they haven’t said but give it a couple of years and then do it. If they take this on board and change course or approac...

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Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:07 pm
Problem being the pictures already crystal & it doesn't look good, that where we are.

If I'm ever on the lookout for some top class belmtardery, I'll come to you.

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Good idea let's have a big review 2 years down the line after thousands have died and it's too late to do anything about it. Plus by then another big news story will have come along so the Tories will be able to quietly sweep it under the carpet. Better idea. Put somebody like you in charge who hat...

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