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Greenmile

Just a point, which I'm sure you will know, MPs are not in any way required to vote the way their constituents want them to. Just as they are not required to stay with the same party they were with at the election. It seems undemocratic but that, alas, is the rules, as they say. This is all down to...

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I certainly have been following this thread, more closely than you it seems. Rowls was replying to a comment from Billy Balfour regarding the UK "crashing out" of the EU by accident. Rowls' comment was that however the UK left the EU it wouldn't be by accident but as a result of the referendum. You...

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RingoMcCartney wrote:Dry your eyes mate and,

Troll along......

You haven’t worked it out, have you? Nobody on here is better than you at avoiding questions.

Greenmile

RingoMcCartney wrote:Reduced to throwing personal insults around eh?

Somebody's not a happy bunny this morning are they?

And it's not cos we only came away from old Trafford with a point.

I have thrown no personal insults. Have you worked out the difference yet?

Greenmile

You haven't been following this very closely if you not prepared to accept that either side of the debate describe the same event, using different terminology. Maybe you should " crash out " of the conversation " or perhaps " Leave " it........ Go back, read the thread again for context, and let me...

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Chobulous wrote:The difference is the emphasis one person has put on a statement. In the end there is no difference between leave and crash out, the result is the same so your post is meaningless.

You haven’t been following this very closely if you think there’s no difference between “leave” and “crash out”.

Greenmile

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats some leap Damo

Ringo levels if we are being honest.

Some Ringo-level spelling, too.

Greenmile

However, the UK leaves the EU it won't be "by accident". There was this whole big thing called the referendum and people had to do their voting on purpose . Then after that Parliament voted to leave the EU come rain or shine no later than 29th March 2019. This was also done on purpose . Hope this c...

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Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Haven't you heard?

Nobody will lose anything, Doc Foster says we'll be better off out and anybody who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed by project fear.

I think a few people might suffer, but that’s all the remainers’ fault for not believing hard enough.

Greenmile

In response to Lancaster. I did all my research before the referendum and concluded that the UK would be better off out. This despite having spent in excess 60% of the previous 5 years working on the “mainland” in several countries. As I mentioned in a previous post the vote was to leave or not. Yo...

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bobinho wrote:I and I, In creation where one's nature neither honors nor forgives.
I and I, One say to the other, no man sees my face and lives.

Bob Dylan can get away with “I and I”. Marvellous.

So can Bob Marley.

Greenmile

Well, the exact words you used were " he [Bercow] can, on his own define the vote. He can, force a 2nd referendum. " You can understand how someone would read "He can force a 2nd referendum" and think that you were suggesting was that he can force a 2nd referendum. This is where Ringo accuses you o...

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South West Claret. wrote:It's bad enough hearing that anyone gets up to capers like that but having had a job as a professional footballer one would expect much higher standards.

Why would you expect any higher standards from a professional footballer?

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summitclaret wrote:Money money money.

Money to pay their 14,000 UK employees with, you mean? Do they count as working people?

Greenmile

summitclaret wrote:The chance of remain. Doh! They don't care about what working people think.

And why do you think they want the chance of remain?

Edit - and are you really suggesting that all working people voted leave? Or that the CEO of Airbus isn’t a working person?

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AndyClaret wrote:It's you who is being dumb, the government got Airbus to engage in project fear, and you fell for it, again.

What are Airbus getting in return for lying to their customers for the govt.?

Greenmile

Why? Are you incapable of using your own mental or online filter? I would have thought that since it is your raison d'etre to look for controversial or non-controversial views so that you can oppose them, you would want to see everybody's. Didn’t read the link? Didn’t understand the link? Deliberat...

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Can't think how I missed the humour. Perhaps put a smiley in next time? As for the truth of your argument, it's not so much the legal niceties of the "advisory" term, it's the implication that it was never intended to be acted upon. I accept that no government can be bound by its predecessor and th...

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I thought Remainers, as a rule, weren't fond of straw man arguments? ..and I can see brexiters aren’t big on humour, if you’re anything to go by. There’s a kernel of truth in my straw man argument though. You spent some time earlier trying to pass off hard facts as just opinions, because they are i...

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I said, "those minimum waged, temporary contracted, zero hours workers" You said, "The majority of those workers didn't get a vote" You have still not provided a source. There is Parliamentary sovereignty. When parliament delegated the decision whether or not to leave the European Union. It passed ...

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I asked the first question. You try giving me the first answer. I'll go second. So go on, Explain why a referendum, advisory or not, is not an example of direct democracy.? Wrong again Ringo. You were asked to explain the concept of sovereignty (in your mind) in post 919. You didn't ask me why an a...

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RingoMcCartney wrote:Explain why a referendum, advisory or not, is not an example of direct democracy.

You explain what you think sovereignty is first.

Greenmile

I'm afraid you are suffering from the same delusion as some of the other Remainers on this board - you assume that you are so beyond question right, that anyone who disagrees must be lying. Not so. The thing is, we have different ideas of democracy. It appears that your idea of democracy is that th...

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Burnley Ace wrote:Oh and Ringo Parliament DID NOT pass sovereignty to the people! It wasn’t in the Act and is not backed up by case law. What bit do you not understand?

Sovereignty is whatever Ringo wants it to be at any given moment, it seems.

Greenmile

If our "representatives" are going to ignore the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed, the 2016 Peoples Vote, which voted to Leave. If our "representatives" are going to ignore their constituencies. The majority of which (approximately 420) voted Leave. And if our "r...

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I'll let John Bercow usurp hundreds of years of parliamentary procedural protocol. If our "representatives" are going to ignore the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed, the 2016 Peoples Vote, which voted to Leave. If our "representatives" are going to ignore their c...

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So the 1975 referendum that was won by Remain was "Just a glorified opinion poll" was it? That was advisory too... Yes. It was. It just happens the govt followed the advice provided on that occasion. That doesn’t oblige them to this time. To be clear, I wasn’t suggesting the referendum result shoul...

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It amazes me how many people appear to seriously believe that Cameron could (and should?) have come out and said "I had my fingers crossed when we promised the referendum, so it doesn't count". I never said I believed that did I? I was just pointing out a(nother) factual error in Ringo’s diatribe. ...

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I wouldn't agree at all. This was a referendum for the country as a whole to decide whether to stay in or to get out. All MPs, whatever their personal views, should be working towards carrying out the referendum result. How would it have worked on the Scottish referendum, if the SNP had got their w...

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RingoMcCartney wrote:.... A referendum is direct democracy....

An advisory referendum isn’t. It’s just a glorified opinion poll.

Greenmile

South West Claret. wrote:...Just in case that you "might" be interested that quote was from Wikipedia which the vast majority intelligent people regard as a very reliable and accountable source.

This bit is a joke, right?

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Test User wrote:It's anti-democratic and literally fascism if we change our mind.

Sorry, yeah, I forgot.

Greenmile

Mala591 wrote:A rational solution might then be for MPs to choose between:

1. May's deal Brexit (with backstop)
2. A customs union Brexit (no need for backstop)
3. A no deal WTO Brexit

...4. Remain

Greenmile

Hi Greenmile, "expert" for me is someone who is truly "top of the pile," someone who has got the greatest depth of knowledge of the area in which they are acclaimed to be an expert and someone who can view the subject "in abstract" without either any personal self-interest and remote from "politica...

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Hi Lancs, I like it. I've now got an answer to at least one person you define as an "expert." Is it his Oxford PPE, working for civil service, including EU-US trade negotiations for TTIP , or the fact he went to school with you that makes David Henig an expert? DH has obviously got experience in re...

Greenmile

When will the Remain campaign pay the tax payer back the 9 million pounds it cost for their leaflet containing lies?. That leaflet was produced by the govt. If you expect them to reimburse the taxpayer every time they lie (or are mistaken), you can’t have been living in this country - or on this pl...

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dsr wrote:...In the UK and any other democracy, ultimate sovereignty rests with the people...

No it doesn’t. Never has done.

Greenmile

Damo wrote:Remainers seem to have forced the no deal Brexit they have always been so feverishly against.

Good on them

Not going to happen. Our parliamentary sovereignty wouldn’t allow for it.

Greenmile

Not seen anyone suggesting they don't have the right but then again I've not read the entire thread. Whilst I don't class myself as 'old' this is ageist. Many cultures believe you become wiser with age and therefore an older person wouldn't believe 'any old junk'. Clearly you are not from one of th...

Greenmile

If there was another referendum vote and the result was 52% Remain and 48% Leave then all the leavers should throw their toys out of the pram and demand another vote until there is a satisfactory outcome. They will, and they would have. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681"...

Greenmile

The problem is the youth has been targeted and bought it hook, line and sinker, and now what was 14 year old originally, a generation that have been pinpointed for no respect and lawlessness are now 16 and can vote in this . Taking in to account what our forefathers died for i find it an absolute d...

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The government are actively encouraging lawlessness and street gangs and street thuggery to end the nighttime economy to keep the sheep in their homes at night via letting the wolves roam free and with attitude in order to have a supplicant populace 'ready for work' and no play. It's the opposite o...

Greenmile

Is this the most laughing emojis on a single thread since Ringo got banned?

Greenmile

I remember them mentioning a few times that Turkey "could" join the EU and that still stands true, no matter how unlikely. Amazes me how remain supporters are outraged about the fact that Leave made those claims, whilst they are happy for the remain side to now claim all these negative extremes tha...

Greenmile

My apologies mate if I was a bit gruff in my reply. Not had the best Christmas ever as my wifes dad died on the 21st so I'm a bit stressed handling stuff for her. Not an excuse I know but sorry anyway. Apology very much accepted. Sorry to hear about your father in law - that’s a perfectly fine excu...

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Of course I haven't read or digested your comments. I haven't read them because my reply above is quite clearly an answer to Siddo. I'm not even aware of your comment. I was simply answering him after he commented on something I said before Christmas so if I have missed yours my apologies. Perhaps ...

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Unfortunately an off-the-cuff-presumed racist comment isn't gross misconduct and would therefore have to go through the normal process of verbal warning, written warning, final warning only then followed by dismissal, each step actually being the final stage unless the behaviour continues. The prob...

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Hi Green. Haven’t much time sorry but I feel I need to answer this. The fact is the finer feelings of the sensitive if they overhear a private conversation between two consenting adults is of no consequence to me. It wasn’t aimed at her, it had nothing to do with her and she was simply being offend...

Greenmile

you do have problems understanding things, don't you? what you linked to is a newspaper article - IT ISN'T NECESSARILY TRUE - yet you put it up as though it is gospel. you only [need to] believe it to be true; not the same thing. you seem to live in a liberal/socialist bubble where only things that...

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So what you are saying is if someone decides something is racist, despite the fact that the supposed 'victim' feels no offence whatsoever, it is still racist? What a skewed view of the world you have. What gives anyone the right to be offended on behalf of others who in themselves don't feel that o...

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