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by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton points deduction reduced
Replies: 122
Views: 7654

Re: Everton points deduction reduced

Completely agree with this. Straight relegation is the only way to stop financial cheating. This is barely a slap on the wrist; fortunately it probably benefits us. May benefit us massively if any compo is agreed, and if we can come back stronger, because next season in the PL could be brutal, wors...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
Replies: 215
Views: 8983

Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?

The original post is very good. In reality, the much-heralded ALK 'project' is nothing new or innovative in any way- literally every club outside the Big Six in England and almost all clubs around the world are selling clubs. The idea of bringing in regular revenue by selling talent at a profit is ...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton points deduction reduced
Replies: 122
Views: 7654

Re: Everton points deduction reduced

Do you think those 6 points will make a blind bit of difference to our league position? We aren't getting relegated because of Everton, we're being relegated because of ourselves. Nonsense. We are getting relegated because we had to be stripped to the bone in May 2022 because of Everton and the Pre...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton points deduction reduced
Replies: 122
Views: 7654

Re: Everton points deduction reduced

So, in brief: Season 1: Spend more than the rules allow to stay up at the expense of Club X, who are playing by the rules. Season 2: again spend more than the rules allow, this time to purchase players from the club X (such as Dwight McNeil), at reduced rate as their players wish to stay in the top...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton points deduction reduced
Replies: 122
Views: 7654

Re: Everton points deduction reduced

Been telling people for weeks a way will be found to get rid of Luton (in our interests sadly). Surely though this strengthens our compensation argument now the appeal has left guilt and ‘some’ punishment? That could be key to the “project” remaining viable to have an expensive squad and bounce stra...
by CrosspoolClarets
Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
Replies: 215
Views: 8983

Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?

The Analytical Kompany that is alluded to in the OP - I have no idea if this rumour is true or false but if true it would be national news really, something a broadsheet or TV media would latch onto and link to our performances. What amazes me then is as far as I know there hasn’t been a single ques...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: A long day out and another defeat
Replies: 38
Views: 3142

Re: REPORT: A long day out and another defeat

I've not seen anything at all on that decision on the Sky/BBC highlights but you always have to assume an offside is correct The interfering by a third part though (as in this case) is a subjective call (as with Endo for Liverpool today) so he may have been off but deemed not interfering despite Tr...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Football
Replies: 103
Views: 3427

Re: Today's Football

Blocking is not allowed, or at least shouldn’t be. Think the defender is allowed to mark a zone or move into a zone, but isn’t allowed to charge, trip or jump at another player. The reason it is allowed is because when you have short-arses like we do, they have to have a way to defend a corner. Yes...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's Football
Replies: 103
Views: 3427

Re: Today's Football

Funny how the national anthem booing lot had their bubble burst by VAR, but let’s be fair it was a shocker. These days if there is a way to disallow a goal VAR will find it, makes a mockery of celebrating and enjoying the moment. Killing the game and takes away far more joy than the justice it can b...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Matt Williams
Replies: 14
Views: 2477

Re: Matt Williams

The fact Matt is prepared to share something we did not know, shows that player confidentiality is not an issue. For me VK is a control freak and likes to keep info to himself, plus vey cagey. It will backfire as I am witnessing fan support for him diminishing weekly I like them a lot, Matt and Vin...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Crystal Palace v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 72
Views: 5279

Re: Crystal Palace v Burnley - Player Ratings

The fact that crosspoolclarets falls back on these stats over a season to try and convince himself there is hope despite what everyone sees is so quaint. Adorable. Don’t be a pillok, this is an intelligent thread normally. I point out the facts when others make false statements. Berge wasn’t good t...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Crystal Palace v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 72
Views: 5279

Re: Crystal Palace v Burnley - Player Ratings

Trafford 5 - only made 1 unforced error but it was a key error Assignon 5 O’Shea 5 Esteve 4 Taylor 4 JBG 5 Berge 6 Brownhill 3 Odobert 5 Andouni 4 Fofana 5 Cullen 6 Vitinho 4 Not doing my normal comments on each player because the theme was across them all, looked beaten from minute 1 and looked lik...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Crystal Palace v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 72
Views: 5279

Re: Crystal Palace v Burnley - Player Ratings

MDWat wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:21 pm
Must have been a terrible stream. Don’t think Berge won a header or tackle, or completed a pass. Truly shocking.
Ranks 2nd in our team today on all three measures.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: pace
Replies: 89
Views: 5926

Re: pace

We aren't staying up and the way things are going this season I wouldn't trust VK to repeat last seasons highs, if by chance he did what confidence would you have in another Prem campaign with him ? Think of a 37 year old manager as a 20 year old player - 2 years later he will be much older and wis...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: pace
Replies: 89
Views: 5926

Re: pace

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:00 pm
Evidence shows? What evidence?
The evidence of his last Championship title just 9 months ago.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: pace
Replies: 89
Views: 5926

Re: pace

Think Pace is very naive when it comes to football Not as naive as many on this thread. Sticking with Vincent may be the wise (and cheapest) move. Sack him, the lower divisions could beckon and the end of the era could be nigh. Keep him, evidence shows there is every chance he will bounce back (and...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

As it stands if Forest and Everton get a 10 point deduction for last year, we still stay up with a win on the final day :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, I know. It is tempting to hope we don’t.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

People getting their collective knickers in a twist about that VAR decision at 3-0 down having played utter w@nk again to that point is hilarious, it was hardly going to affect things Was a bad decision though wasn’t it? Think we are now all debating football dispassionately, this game was gone at ...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

BHA equalise on 95 is amusing. The 3rd spot not settled yet.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Absolutely. I don’t miss having a strong, super well organised, battling team who stays in games to give themselves a chance at all. I’d much rather have the can’t attack, can’t defend, weak midfield, hopeless goalkeeper, tippy-tappy nothingness we’ve got now. When I compare the two title winning s...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

whiffa wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:54 pm
I suspect we won't have those three players next season.
Agree. Meant from VK not those three.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

The other thing that is corrupt about this league, is that the young 30 year old ref on a work experience placement / trial (2nd game in the PL) is hardly going to upset the “company” by overruling a VAR senior official. There should be a single ref. VAR is just there to stuff the little clubs, and ...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Vinny bringing those three on at 90 minutes is arguably the biggest item of evidence for a sacking, though I remain the lawyer for the defence not the prosecution, mainly due to what to expect NEXT season.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Interesting that the freezeframe shows the keeper is not getting that ball so it is a goal. Yet VAR denies it.

Would have been 2-1 if we take the offside at the other end too (clearly interfering) but don’t worry, it will level up by the end of the season :lol:
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Bad as Laws era
Replies: 70
Views: 3076

Re: Bad as Laws era

Where it is similar is that we were crying out for experience last month to help a relegation slog and we sign 3 youngsters. Laws signed youngster Jack Cork in similar situations. The young players heads dropping has been a similar theme in both seasons, though we had more experience in 2010 and wer...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Everton now winning after hardly having a kick all game is so Dyche.

Don’t miss it though. Glad we had it. Not the same thing.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

What a horrid league this is. That VAR delay, the tinny announcement about it, the drum. It really does make the think “why bother”. Anyway…..this really does feel like our low point. This is worse than Arsenal. What amateurish defending from Vitinho. So odd why Benny wasn’t on at 1-0 to try to grab...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Getting to the point soon where we may throw the final game at home to Forest to get a team with a lower spend relegated with us (Luton).

Would be a crying shame for Luton but arguably the pragmatic choice.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Biggest problem is we have a team full of them, other Premier league teams integrate the odd one or 2, not a team full, again can only blame vk for thinking he could get away with it, is he really that stupid, it's very amateur from him, nobody would believe he'd been at the top level as a player a...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

What I don’t like about this club though, and this messageboard, is the singling out of 18, 19, 20, 21 year old players. We should be better than that as supporters. Players like Odobert will have quiet games at his age. He is a talent.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

On the plus side, Everton under an experienced manager and with better players are at mid table BHA and had 0 shots at half time too.

This is a tough league and unfortunately it looks like many of us need a season below to further develop, probably including Vincent who I would keep 100%.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Poulton-le-Claret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:44 pm
Or Trafford could just not make that pass?
Of course that was also a shocker, just saying Brownhill was also culpable.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:46 pm
Think you'd struggle to top last week in that respect.
No, this is far worse. We were OK in patches against Arsenal who were ruthless. Was on the game. Watching on US TV today.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:43 pm
They would have walked it in.
Not the point though is it? We could come back from 1-0 and have the captain for Bournemouth. It's judgement in those finer moments again, not just from the younger players.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

100% red.

Probably worst performance of season so far.

Brownhill now missing 1 or 2 games so a brainless decision from the captain given Trafford could have made the save.

Really does sum up our season in 5 seconds.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Foster is a solid 8 every week, Fofana looks like he ranged from 4-9. That’s why we miss Lyle. Amdouni is trying to find him with flicks but he is getting well marshalled. The whole team though, Trafford aside, look like they haven’t shook off the drubbing last week. May need experience today. Or m...
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Foster is a solid 8 every week, Fofana looks like he ranged from 4-9. That’s why we miss Lyle. Amdouni is trying to find him with flicks but he is getting well marshalled.

The whole team though, Trafford aside, look like they haven’t shook off the drubbing last week. May need experience today.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

If we get drums like that my season ticket will end after 30 years, gosh how annoying it is.
by CrosspoolClarets
Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Palace Match thread
Replies: 733
Views: 20566

Re: Burnley vs Palace Match thread

Who was that with the backpass? JBG I thought. Shocker to give your keeper that to deal with.
by CrosspoolClarets
Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonights footy
Replies: 106
Views: 3190

Re: Tonights footy

Really pleased for ex Claret Andy Gray with his lad getting the winner.

Brings back memories but it was the departure of him and others, and the arrival of the next crop like Paterson and Thompson, which sent us to where we now are.
by CrosspoolClarets
Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonights footy
Replies: 106
Views: 3190

Re: Tonights footy

It's a shame that we'll never know how our promotion team from last season would have done in the Premier League. Agree. A shame. But the manager clearly thinks they would have failed so really who are we to doubt him? We can see Beyer, Cullen and Brownhill have struggled, to name just 3 examples.
by CrosspoolClarets
Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonights footy
Replies: 106
Views: 3190

Re: Tonights footy

Leicester are on course to finish 10-15 points higher than us last season. If it finished 2-1 Leicester are on course to finish on 105, 4 points ahead of us. We had the massive drop off when the title was won, as may they. They really aren’t anything different to what we were. But their Premier Lea...
by CrosspoolClarets
Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tonights footy
Replies: 106
Views: 3190

Re: Tonights footy

Both Leeds and Leicester look far better than we were last season. Both want to attack with pace and purpose. We looked good knocking it about round the back most weeks, but it's what happens in the opposition half that counts. Leeds would need 27 goals in their last 12 games to better our goals ta...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Aaron Ramsey injury
Replies: 120
Views: 6305

Re: Aaron Ramsey injury

Some odd defending of the club here, nobody that I can is hammering them, just pointing out it is an odd policy compared to other clubs and makes it hard to have conversations about players in the pub, home or workplace. The club are trying to boost engagement, all we are saying is this doesn’t help...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Aaron Ramsey injury
Replies: 120
Views: 6305

Re: Aaron Ramsey injury

Hi Crosspool, I've just listened to Vincent Kompany's presser. Funny how we can hear what Vincent Kompany says and arrive at different conclusions. I've no problem with Vincent Kompany looking to further build the team to compete in the Premier League after having previously assembled a team last s...
by CrosspoolClarets
Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Aaron Ramsey injury
Replies: 120
Views: 6305

Re: Aaron Ramsey injury

We know he’s injured and probably won’t be back till late this year. Not sure I need to know anything more. Not really any odds to me if it’s a break, ligament damage or something else. Agree with that but for shorter term things it doesn’t help with how evasive he is now and we do seem unique at i...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 805
Views: 71115

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

"I thought the performance wasn’t quite as bad as some do (better “touches in the box for and against” stats than Luton v Man Utd for example)" Yet the XG stat that's often used on here to justify attacking intent was around 66% less on Saturday than in those two mentioned games You’re right, and o...
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - MAN UTD v BURNLEY
Replies: 2536
Views: 161089

Re: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - BURNLEY v ARSENAL

Palace 2 Burnley 1

Anderson 45

NL2
by CrosspoolClarets
Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:12 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 805
Views: 71115

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

I also found this my favourite episode. No sugar coating, but fair. Hasn’t been some other weeks (the “it isn’t Burnley” stuff and players not trying) but that is opinions for you. I laughed out loud at one or two bits joking about how bad it was. I particularly liked the focus of criticism being th...
by CrosspoolClarets
Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Zaroury
Replies: 41
Views: 4440

Re: Zaroury

And we never will know which is really my point. As I said, I get what you say about attitudes and abilities in training but I'd be very surprised if Tresor trained like Mbappe or Ramsey applied himself like James Milner. If loyalty shouldn't come into it, he appears to be showing it to this summer...