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by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Liverpool v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 43
Views: 3584

Re: Liverpool v Burnley - Player Ratings

Trafford 6 - decent game aside from mistake for 1st Assignon 8* - shame we haven’t had him all season O’Shea 7 - world class header for the goal Esteve 7 - really like him so far Delcroix 6 - sound Ramsey 6 - worked hard Brownhill 4 - way too wasteful Berge 6 - 89% pass completion vs his partners 65...
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: VAR (AGAIN)
Replies: 44
Views: 3087

Re: VAR (AGAIN)

Obvious that cheats do prosper in the Prem.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Vincent’s Cap
Replies: 13
Views: 1733

Re: Vincent’s Cap

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:26 pm
How old are you out of interest? 12?
Isn’t he like 75? Mental.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Josh Brownhill
Replies: 76
Views: 4955

Re: Josh Brownhill

Ric_C wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:25 pm
Brownhill, Ramsey, Amdouni the 3 worst players last week, all started today.

Baffling
Ramsey good today.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Esteve
Replies: 22
Views: 1883

Re: Esteve

Part of the model has to account for relegation as greater possibility if you're buying for the future. You'd hope the contracts of these players reflect that. For most valuations to mature they'll need more than a season. Aye fully agree. Younger players won’t be on as big a wage either. Bigger ea...
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Josh Brownhill
Replies: 76
Views: 4955

Re: Josh Brownhill

67% pass accuracy, which, when most of his passes are 5 yarders, rather than defence splitting forward passes, isn’t good enough.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Esteve
Replies: 22
Views: 1883

Re: Esteve

Goliath wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:15 pm
That back 4 is Premier League class. Its the first time we've been able to say that this season. Delcroix is also a very good defender but less comfortable in posesion than Taylor.
Surprised you think Delcroix is less comfy in possession than Taylor. I actually think the opposite!
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Esteve
Replies: 22
Views: 1883

Re: Esteve

And that right there's the problem. That's my worry for next season - if we keep 80-90% we've got a strong platform to expect an immediate bounceback. If not, it's another overhaul & rebuild and rabbits out of hats time. But I agree re. Esteve, looks a quality find. Really surprised and impressed m...
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Esteve
Replies: 22
Views: 1883

Re: Esteve

cockneyclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:06 pm
I'll be surprised if half the team are here come relegation
I’d be incredibly surprised if half the team are here!
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Esteve
Replies: 22
Views: 1883

Re: Esteve

He’s class. Proper defender. Can tell he’s got it. Unbelievable we’ve got him in the Championship.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

Story of our season really. Outdone in both boxes despite matching our opponent in the middle. Individual mistakes, unlucky with a VAR decision and sadly why we won’t stay up.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

Sander Berge will compete for for a header one day…
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:35 pm
Has Amdouni touched the ball since the opening 12-15 minutes or so?

Proper baffling player. The 15 minute man
Set up Fofana for his 2nd 1 on 1?
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

Esteve is quality. He’s got ‘it’.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:49 pm
I quite like the look of the current back 4
Agree there
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

Safron wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:21 pm
Jbg also dropped from the squad. I just don't get why he sets us up like this, cannon fodder. Got to hope he has sense NOT to employ berge dropping into the back 4 again after last week's debacle.
JBG is clearly injured. Been in every team when fit.
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:07 pm
Which of the defenders is playing at left-back, then?
Delcroix
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley
Replies: 601
Views: 16621

Re: Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

Vitinho out is good news at least
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Team vs Liverpool
Replies: 32
Views: 1684

Re: Team vs Liverpool

JBG has done very well for us over the years, but in the last few games he's started, he's looked like an OAP trying to get around the pitch. 433 with Forfana on the right. 3 defensive CMs and play direct. Created our equaliser against Fulham showing more guile than anyone else had in that position...
by RVclaret
Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Team vs Liverpool
Replies: 32
Views: 1684

Re: Team vs Liverpool

—————————Muric
Assignon—O’Shea—Esteve—Taylor
—————————Cullen
Fofana——Berge———JBG——Odobert
—————————Foster
by RVclaret
Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Did we change too much or too little?
Replies: 84
Views: 3369

Re: Did we change too much or too little?

And that surprises you when the owners have expertise in finance and making money and zero knowledge of running a football club. Didn’t they run Real Salt Lake and play a pivotal role in the success sustained just after they left, specifically the 2009 MLS Championship, the only title in the clubs ...
by RVclaret
Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Did we change too much or too little?
Replies: 84
Views: 3369

Re: Did we change too much or too little?

Well that's a speculative the amount of change was fine, it was just the wrong change. Obviously it's hard to tell but going from a team with 100+ points in the Championship to this position suggests that something is the problem. It's not unusual to see teams come up, do a massive overhaul and go ...
by RVclaret
Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Did we change too much or too little?
Replies: 84
Views: 3369

Re: Did we change too much or too little?

aggi wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:34 pm
Absolutely fine doesn't really tally with 3 wins and 13 points from 23 games.
Well it does if you read the rest of what i said.
by RVclaret
Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Did we change too much or too little?
Replies: 84
Views: 3369

Re: Did we change too much or too little?

The amount of change has been absolutely fine, just a bit unbalanced and lacking physicality needed for this level (which we’ve clearly gone to rectify in Jan). If we had these 3 signings since the start we’d be over 20 points right now.
by RVclaret
Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68908

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

Keep up the good work lads.... genuinely funny bits in the show, and it's class. Justin's meltdown on the Zaroury live announcment is brilliant.... I get it totally. And those who say they get bored of it listen enough to tell you that you've got the transfer fees wrong.... and I'm told that's a si...
by RVclaret
Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Replies: 803
Views: 68908

Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:41 pm
this, loads of good content but let down by unnecessary petty comments that for the most part aren't even funny.
Yup and all the sarcasm about being positive. I got bored.
by RVclaret
Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?
Replies: 67
Views: 4362

Re: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?

It’s rare for me to enter a football related thread on here, especially if it’s gone over 2 pages. The different transfer fees mentioned for Trafford vary. Did the club pay the full amount (whatever it was) up front? Or is the full amount based on certain outcomes happening? Also, how does Amortisa...
by RVclaret
Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?
Replies: 67
Views: 4362

Re: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?

Trafford, saleable asset? Just because we paid around £19 million for him, doesn't mean anyone else would be daft enough. We'd be lucky to get £5 million if he continues his current form until the end of the season. People like you are hilarious. Not only you blatantly ignore the fact we have not p...
by RVclaret
Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?
Replies: 67
Views: 4362

Re: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:02 pm
Agree, Muric must be fed up. He should have started the season and if he had made the mistakes Trafford had, he would be out the team.

That 17 million / resale value is hindering us big style.
13.7m
by RVclaret
Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?
Replies: 67
Views: 4362

Re: Cullen and Muric back in for Saturday?

I'm also not entirely convinced about Trafford's marketability for a resale at profit. Young English keeper, very composed on the ball, ranking around mid-table vs other PL keepers by advanced shot stopping data metrics like PsxG. Got all the makings for marketability in my opinion. Think he’ll sta...
by RVclaret
Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brentford v City
Replies: 51
Views: 1840

Re: Brentford v City

Stunning performance from Foden. Incredible player.
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point
Replies: 170
Views: 6248

Re: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point

The point of xg is that it attempts to record how likely you are to score from the shots that you had. If you don't have a shot, then xg is nil. So, for example, after Fulham were 2-0 up they had three or four more chances where they played a ball over the top and their forward ran free. I think on...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point
Replies: 170
Views: 6248

Re: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point

Not on Understat it doesn’t. Fulham had higher xG in line with how the game went. And xG is distorted by the open goal Fofana had with his header which doesn’t really tell us the game’s flow. I’ve been praising us for much of the time since Everton but the last two home games have been very insipid...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point
Replies: 170
Views: 6248

Re: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point

How was our xG (useless stat, just like possession stat when you don't get out of your own half) higher than theirs when Trafford had to make more saves than their keeper? He only had 2 more shots to save. And you can’t really call xG useless if you don’t know how it’s used? It can’t be that useles...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point
Replies: 170
Views: 6248

Re: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point

I just don't get this xg crap Fulham should have buried us. VK made a massive balls up with his selection and tactics, fortunately we dug our way out of a self inflcted pit. It’s not really that hard to get. Fulham had 1.51 xG, we had 1.81. They had 15 shots to our 12. Hardly frightening amounts on...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point
Replies: 170
Views: 6248

Re: REPORT: Last gasp goal wins unlikely point

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:03 pm
I’d have said so but he made them. They had so many chances it was frightening.
Yet had an xG lower than us. Let’s stop with the dramatisation of everything eh?
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

That might have been the plan in his first transfer window but unless you missed something that’s not what happened last summer. You buy a number of players for around the £15m (give or take £2m or £3m) then you can’t afford for many of them to not work out…..right now we have at least 4 or 5 of th...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

This is what makes the summer’s transfer policy seem even more ludicrous. You know my view on this, those extra 4-6 points we’ve been completely screwed on by VAR (still waiting for them to level out), plus a better replacement for Foster than we had (Fofana as a reference point), and we’d be very ...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

Respectfully I disagree. I think the long-term plan is to buy cheap players with potential, add value and sell them on. The cynic in me believes that we will sell any player in the summer if we get the correct offer. For all the stick Vitinho gets, he is the perfect example of this policy bought fo...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

Pretty sure you are wrong there. In any case it's whataboutery to pop that in. I wasn't saying his inclusion would guarantee better performance but we spent a fair bit on a keeper we didn't really need when we had one already that was fairly critical to the success we ended up having. And he deserv...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

I think Tella and Maatsen were probably crucial to the success if the system last year (plus ee played Cork quite a bit in midfield too). We needed a new Cork (that's maybe Berge) but we didn't get the 2 crucial players. We refused to pay what Soton wanted early doors (could we have got him for les...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Fulham - Player Ratings
Replies: 115
Views: 7059

Re: Burnley v Fulham - Player Ratings

First half was possibly the worst I've seen us play. We actually started the game well and were marginally the better team until their first goal. After that it was atrocious I agree. But it does seem that first 16 minutes is forgotten about. Then by the end, we obviously played well enough to scor...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

Pretty clear what the long term plan is and what we are trying to do. Kompany has name dropped Brighton several times and commented on how ‘this club doesn’t want to be one just hanging on every year’. Basically can we get to Brighton’s level (consistent top half finishes, winning their Europa Leagu...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

No need to almost completely dismantle the team that took us up in the first place. And I'm glad you said hopefully, because as quite a few are saying we'll come straight back, I don't see it, a lot of water under the bridge since last season. What exactly was dismantled? We had 4 loan players, 1 w...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ramsey
Replies: 72
Views: 4253

Re: Ramsey

Ramsey is a player who floats around, finds bits of space and then will look to link play / finish in the final third. There have been glimpses of this, set up Amdouni for his big chance against United for example, and yesterday (despite the narrative that he did absolutely nothing) he played a nice...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:42 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Esteve
Replies: 35
Views: 2929

Re: Esteve

Esteve looked very comfortable on the ball yesterday. Played a few lovely chipped balls into midfield areas. Good weight of pass. Being left footed helped too.
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:41 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Post match presser
Replies: 183
Views: 8540

Re: Post match presser

….but we are making NO progress whatsoever. We were dire yesterday. Fofana got us out of jail and he won’t be with us next season. We have taken precisely 6 points from teams who were in the PL last season. That is 6 points out of a possible 57. Pathetic. The model is that we buy young players and ...
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:37 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Actual Transfer News - NO BICKERING or pointless debates...
Replies: 386
Views: 51491

Re: Actual Transfer News - NO BICKERING or pointless debates...

burnmark wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:02 am
Brighton and West Ham interested in Odobert.

Nixon
No surprise at all. 30m+
by RVclaret
Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:45 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Fed up
Replies: 147
Views: 6012

Re: Fed up

Criticism of the team one thing but abuse of other posters is rife. Some people ask for trouble and post comments which invite a response. Monty Python had the “argument” sketch but it’s not enjoyable reading some of this stuff. Sometimes more balance is needed in people’s arguments but as with muc...